30 Reasons why the KJV is the Divine and Pure Word of God for Today (Update: KJVO Posters Only)

[Strong in Him]

A Systematic Approach that
the KJV
is the Divine and Pure Word of God for Today:
(A Defense of the King James Bible as the Word of God):​

Important Note to the Reader:
(Please read before posting):

I am not like your average KJV Proponent. While I believe the KJV is the perfect, and divinely inspired Word of God that is without error, I am unlike your average KJV Only Proponent; For many KJV Proponents will say that we should not even read Modern Translations, and that the KJV is not hard to understand. I disagree with both of those conclusions from my fellow KJV advocate brethren. Yes, I believe the KJV is the perfect inerrant Word of God, but I believe Modern Translations can be helpful in updating the 1600's English​

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i) You have said, before now, that modern versions are corrupt, while you clearly believe the KJV is perfect - so you use what is corrupt to understand what is perfect? The "perfect" KJV sometimes has words/verses that are so unintelligible that you have to resort to a "corrupt" Bible to understand it?
ii) By your own admission the language of the KJV is hard to understand. The NT was written in Koine Greek - the language of the streets, every day Greek; almost slang. Everyone could understand it, it was the language of the people. But no one today speaks 17th century English - even YOU can't understand some of it. Meaning that the KJV is not the best translation for today.

How can it be perfect if you admit that you yourself cannot understand all of it?

 

[Strong in Him]

#22. Modern Bible Versions Are Always Under Construction to Be Fixed.

Creators of Modern Bibles keep changing the same Modern Translations to get closer to the original autographs,

i) How many versions of the KJV were produced, and which do you believe?
ii) As language changes, and new discoveries are/were made, new translations of the Bible are produced to reflect this. The KJV cannot possibly reflect the discoveries that were made after it was produced, and the language is vastly different. Tell a teenage non believer that he is wicked, and see what his response is.

 

[Strong in Him]

It doesn't mean that the KJV is the only English version that God preserved. I don't understand much of the vernacular of the time that the KJV was written. I failed the Shakespeare portion of High School because it was distracting and I couldn't get through it.

So, by your logic, we should just be able to read the KJV without having to use outside aids to understand it. I hate to tell you, it fails at that.

Even the OP has to use modern translations to understand his "perfect" KJV.

 

[robycop3]

I have been busy.
I have now have officially added my final point (Point #30) today from my rough notes.
My original point for point #29 has been discarded because I did not feel it was unique enough from the other points. I discovered another unique point to fill it's place. I believe I added Point #29 a day or two ago.

My list is now complete.
I may flesh out a few other points, but I am busy on another project for the Lord at this time.

I believe the OAO Proponent is wrong, and I believe I am right that the KJV is the perfect divinely inspired Word of God.
Nothing I will say will convince you.
Nothing you will say will convince me.

I will die for my King James Bible being the divinely perfect Word of God.
You will have to clutch my Bible out of my dying hand before I let it go.

So let's agree to disagree in love and respect.

Peace and blessings to you all in the name of Jesus Christ.

With all due respect, your "belief' is simply incorrect.

The KJV is NOT perfect. We've shown you a few of its goofs & booboos. You have no counterpoint for any of them.

We showed you the cultic, dishonest origin of the current KJVO myth.

We reminded you the KJV is NOT in OUR language style, a style GOD caused us to have & use.

Your attiture reminds us of Mr. Creedy in the Midas commercials who refused to give up his Model T.

You're right in one thing - You'll NOT convince me I'm wrong, as I KNOW - not just guess or hope - that I'm right about this matter.

 

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i) You have said, before now, that modern versions are corrupt, while you clearly believe the KJV is perfect - so you use what is corrupt to understand what is perfect? The "perfect" KJV sometimes has words/verses that are so unintelligible that you have to resort to a "corrupt" Bible to understand it?

It's like panning through the dirt (Modern Translations) to get to the gold found in the KJV. There are many verses that do happen to agree. But in those places that do not agree, I side with the King James (much like you would do with the Biblical Hebrew and Biblical Greek). The difference between us is that I can understand 1600's English in many cases without the aid of a code key. This is not the case with Hebrew and Greek. You have to place your faith entirely in religious scholars who have a religious bias when they interpret certain words. This is less likely the case with a secular every day dictionary. You also are totally clueless as to what that language says or sounds like without any aid of some code key. This is not the case with 1600's English. There is some semblance of basic mechanics of how words in 1600's English were used and how they fit into Modern English used today. This is because our Modern English spawned out of 1600's English. So a person cannot pull the wool over other people's eyes with false doctrine (like with Hebrew and Greek) by quoting some ancient language that nobody knows.

ii) By your own admission the language of the KJV is hard to understand. The NT was written in Koine Greek - the language of the streets, every day Greek; almost slang. Everyone could understand it, it was the language of the people. But no one today speaks 17th century English - even YOU can't understand some of it. Meaning that the KJV is not the best translation for today.

The problem is that you have no perfect Bible that you can read today in a language that is close to your own. This means you are ever on the hunt to create or find the Word of God. The next translation coming into online Christian bookstores could be the one. Hold your breath. It could be the perfect Word this time. Nope. Not gonna happen. Why? Because all your Modern Translations always include the corrupt Alexandrian texts used by Westcott and Hort who were known occultists (Which new age practices is visible or reflective in the Modern translations we see today).

How can it be perfect if you admit that you yourself cannot understand all of it?

You act like this is the Hebrew and Greek. It is not. God's Word tells us to study to show yourself approved unto God. If I study a passage or verse in the KJV and look at the old dictionaries, and compare it with other verses, pray, and on occasion look to a Modern Translation if needed, etc. I can know what it is saying with no troubles. This is not possible with trusting the Biblical Hebrew and Greek that you did not grow up writing or speaking. Hebrew and Greek requires a backwards free fall of faith. 1600's English does not require that because you can see the connection between that kind of English without our English and it is less likely in many cases to have a religious bias like religious dictionaries. Jesus said beware of the scribe. The scribe are those who "tran-scribed" the Scriptures or the Law. The scribe of our day is the scholar. So the very thing Jesus warned us against, the OAO (Original Autograph Only) proponent runs openly into their arms with complete trust. Then again, this should not be a surprise.

 

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i) How many versions of the KJV were produced, and which do you believe?
ii) As language changes, and new discoveries are/were made, new translations of the Bible are produced to reflect this. The KJV cannot possibly reflect the discoveries that were made after it was produced, and the language is vastly different. Tell a teenage non believer that he is wicked, and see what his response is.

If you were to read the beginning point of my opening post, I said that I believe the circa. 1900 Cambridge KJV (a KJV Edition that removed the Apocrypha) along with some slight updates is the perfect Word of God for today. I believe there were seven purifications of the King James Bible (Which fits Psalms 12:6). These were small updates in modernizing the font, fixing printing errors, and grammar updates to fit the spelling of the time. No major changes. Slight updates. They all say roughly the same thing. Hence, why many King James Bibles can claim 1611 inside where the copyright section details would normally go (Magazines and comics call this section the “Indicia”). The King James does not have a copyright here in the US (not the UK). Meaning, it was not influenced by copyright law. Modern Translations are problematic at best because they have to each go by copyright law. Meaning, they have to make enough significant changes from one another in order to be copyrightable. So they are influenced by copyright law and not by simply going by what the text always says. They are also going by the two Catholic watered down Alexandrian manuscripts of which Westcott and Hort used. These two guys were known occultists. One even favored Darwinism (among other heresies). If that is the well you want to drink from (as your final Word of authority), by all means: Knock yourself out.

Also, the problem with never having a perfect Word in our world language today means you are still looking for God's perfect words. You are still seeking for the book of the Lord (as if it is not in your possession).

“Seek ye out of the book of the Lord, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.”
(Isaiah 34:16).​

I have the book of the Lord in my possession. You don't. That's the problem.
How can you change this?
BELIEVE.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17).

Side Note:

What Bible perfectly existed without error before the circa. 1900 Cambridge KJV?
I believe there was a Bible that existed perfectly in the Latin language before this time. Before Latin, the Scriptures existed perfectly in New Testament scrolls in the Greek Language and OT scrolls in the Hebrew language.

If what you guys believe is true, then the Scriptures should have never progressed into the Greek. They should have remained in the more ancient language (Hebrew). For the old is better, right? But we learn that God chose Greek to preserve His continued Word. If we are to follow this pattern, this means God progresses involving His Word. God would make today the Scriptures available in our world language. Why? Because that is consistent with God wanting to fulfill the great commission. It doesn't help anyone if God keeps His Word in dead languages that nobody today speaks. Think.

 

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Even the OP has to use modern translations to understand his "perfect" KJV.

It's like panning through dirt to get to the gold. I don't have to, but I do so because it makes certain passages easier to understand sometimes. There are KJV advocates who think Modern Translations are entirely bad. I do not believe that. I believe a person can be saved by hearing words from a Modern Translation. This is because certain words in Modern Translations do happen to agree with the KJV. But there are many changes for the worse, and so if a person continues in their faith, using a Modern Translation only leads to confusion and doubt and in not having a perfect Word that is a person's final Word of authority. The original languages or the OAO (original autographs only) become their authority but they do not know what these words actually say.

Some folks in your camp say all Bibles say essentially the same thing. This is a lie. They don't. Many verses disagree with each other. I have pointed out how doctrine was changed, and commands were changed. I have pointed out how the words of Jesus were removed. I have pointed out how Modern Translations make Jesus appear to sin. I have pointed out how Satan has placed his name into Modern Translations were they do not belong. Over, and over, and over again we see a pattern here. A pattern that is not good.

Think of it like a contract of when you buy a house.
Do you use five contracts in buying a house?
The New Testament is like a contract. If the smallest details are changed in that contract, then it is no longer the same contract.
You want me to believe all Bibles are essentially the same contract.
They are not.

 

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If the KJV is THE perfect word of God, the the prophets, Jesus, the early church and in fact everyone before 1611, had the IMperfect word of God.

i) Clearly, this is nonsense.
ii) Could God give his name to, and allow, imperfect translations of his word, never mind save, heal and bless people through them?
iii) Jesus did not use the KJV, and there is no Scripture in the KJV which says that we should use IT alone.

Well, I am not one of those wacky KJV Onlyists who will say crazy things like Jesus was thinking about the future KJV when He was on the cross or anything like that. But you need to choose a perfect Word of God to believe in. If this is not the case, then you set the standard of authority of what God's Word says. I believe the OAO position leads to doubt and confusion because nobody truly knows the Biblical Hebrew and Greek anymore and all Modern Translations do not agree with each other. All Modern Translations are more liberal in doctrine, and or they alter truth for the worse compared to the KJV. The 30 points in Scripture I have made would not be possible if there was no semblance of truth to them. All points I have made in defense for the KJV are true. Whether or not you or anyone else accepts those truths is up to the individual. People see what they want to see for their own reasons. I believe most who are in the OAO camp are not going to switch sides to KJV as their final Word of authority because they are motivated by their experience either in Bible college, or their friends or pastor at church. This would mean possibly alienating fellow brethren based on accepting a truth in God's Word. Nobody wants to stick out and feel different or unaccepted by others. So they stick with the crowd.

 

[Isilwen]

You don't. That's the problem.

Your opinion of course.

 

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If there was no perfect Word of God today, I would not be a believer.
If God does not have the power to perfectly keep His Word, then what makes me trust one set of words over another set of words. It's either all true, or all false. One cannot pick and choose what they want to believe in the Bible as if it catered to our own personal belief systems. One either believes in a bible that is full of holes (mistakes) (i.e. a holey bible), or one believes in a Bible that is perfect and divine (a Holy Bible like the cover says). I choose to believe God's words are pure words (Psalms 12:6). You may not believe that. But I do. By faith. For faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). For me: This simply seems like the OAO Proponent is simply not having faith that there are pure words of the Lord that they can possess in their own two hands.

 

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Your opinion of course.

No offense, but I disagree with your use of an avatar.
Your profile once listed yourself as a male.
This of course your call (opinion) in doing so.
But I believe it speaks to your acceptance of the NIV (Which is a gross translation even among many Modern Translation folk).
Anyways, I still love you in Jesus Christ, but it appears we do not agree on much.

I believe a person needs to be born again not only by the Spirit, but by water, too.
The water is the communicated Word of God (See: Ephesians 5:25-27).
For we received the words not as the words of men, but as the very words of God (1 Thessalonians 2:13).

 

[Isilwen]

If there was no perfect Word of God today, I would not be a believer.

That's fine and you can say that your chosen Bible is the KJV. However, while I have read bits and pieces of the KJV my main version is the NIV and was the first Bible given to me.

I am still a believer.

You can say that only the KJV allows someone to remain a believer. That is verifiably untrue.

 

[Isilwen]

No offense, but I disagree with your use of an avatar.
Your profile once listed yourself as a male.
This of course your call (opinion) in doing so.
But I believe it speaks to your acceptance of the NIV (Which is a gross translation even among many Modern Translation folk).
Anyways, I still love you in Jesus Christ, but it appears we do not agree on much.

I believe a person needs to be born again not only by the Spirit, but by water, too.
The water is the communicated Word of God (See: Ephesians 5:25-27).
For we received the words not as the words of men, but as the very words of God (1 Thessalonians 2:13).

I am male. My avatar is my favorite character from The Hobbit movies, Tauriel.

Not sure what that even has to do with anything other and a feeble attempt to discredit me.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That's fine and you can say that your chosen Bible is the KJV. However, while I have read bits and pieces of the KJV my main version is the NIV and was the first Bible given to me.

I am still a believer.

You can say that only the KJV allows someone to remain a believer. That is verifiably untrue.

The NIV was created to be gender neutral. It also probably one of the most neutered bibles out there even to Modern Translation folk. The NIV (in in it's gender neutral wording) came in 1973. Also, in the beginning of the 1970's, we have the TLB (Living Bible Translation) that used swear vulgar words (later removed in later editions), and the New English Bible that put fart jokes in it (that was later removed). I do not believe it was a coincidence that the New Age movement hit here in America big time in the 1970's. It's because of men's bibles lost their authority.

 

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I am male. My avatar is my favorite character from The Hobbit movies, Tauriel.

Not sure what that even has to do with anything other and a feeble attempt to discredit me.

I do not want to keep making an issue out of it. You are free to do as you wish, I just personally believe it is not biblical to appear as the opposite sex to others. The Bible talks about this. I also do not agree with watching the Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter, or the Chronicles of Narnia. They all include the acceptance of witchcraft of which the Bible clearly condemns, too. Again, you are free to believe as you wish, and I do not mean to offend you. I am just letting you know I find these things unbiblical. While I believe these two topics are somewhat related to the acceptance of Modern Translations, these topics are technically for discussion for other threads. My apologies for going off topic.

In any event, peace, and blessings be unto you in the Lord.

 

[Isilwen]

The NIV was created to be gender neutral. It also probably one of the most neutered bibles out there even to Modern Translation folk. The NIV (in in it's gender neutral wording) came in 1973. Also, in the beginning of the 1970's, we have the TLB (Living Bible Translation) that used swear vulgar words (later removed in later editions), and the New English Bible that put fart jokes in it (that was later removed). I do not believe it was a coincidence that the New Age movement hit here in America big time in the 1970's. It's because of men's bibles lost their authority.

Again, opinion.

 

[Isilwen]

I do not want to keep making an issue out of it. You are free to do as you wish, I just personally believe it is not biblical to appear as the opposite sex to others. The Bible talks about this. I also do not agree with watching the Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter, or the Chronicles of Narnia. They all include the acceptance of witchcraft of which the Bible clearly condemns, too. Again, you are free to believe as you wish, and I do not mean to offend you. I am just letting you know I find these things unbiblical. While I believe these two topics are somewhat related to the acceptance of Modern Translations, these topics are technically for discussion for other threads. My apologies for going off topic.

Peace, and blessings be unto you in the Lord.

All I am going to say on the Lord of the Rings and Chronicles of Narnia they were both written by Christian men. J.K. Rowling is also a Christian.

None-the-less they are works of fiction and do no harm, only those that look for the devil in everything will find the devil in everything. I choose not to live my life in that way.

 

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Again, opinion.

It's not an opinion that a certain Bible translation included a woman farting as she got off her horse. It is also not an opinion that the Living Bible translation used vulgar language. It's also not an opinion that the New Age movement hit America around the same time that these Modern Translations showed up. Sure, you can write their appearance at the same time as a coincidence but if you look at things from a spiritual and moral standpoint, it does not seem like it is a simple coincidence. Also, morals started to decline significantly since the start of the 70's, too. Another coincidence? If you say so.

 

[Isilwen]

You are free to do as you wish, I just personally believe it is not biblical to appear as the opposite sex to others.

I also want to address this as well.

I am not appearing to be a woman in my avatar. If it was a picture of me in drag, then you would have a point. The avatar is for you to express yourself, not to necessarily point out your gender.

This goes back to your other thread on VPNs. You have this obsession with lying, and while that's admirable that you don't want to lie, you take it too far and what isn't lying, becomes lying to you.

You may want to think more before you post when addressing such things.

 

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All I am going to say on the Lord of the Rings and Chronicles of Narnia they were both written by Christian men. J.K. Rowling is also a Christian.

None-the-less they are works of fiction and do no harm, only those that look for the devil in everything will find the devil in everything. I choose not to live my life in that way.

Slapping a Christian label on something does not make it Christian. I used to be into that junk. But after putting it away, my eyes were then opened to what these things really were. I put away secular movie watching out of my life in October 2016.

Anyways, you can check one of my posts on this topic here:

Harry Potter should not be watched by Christians.