30 Reasons why the KJV is the Divine and Pure Word of God for Today (Update: KJVO Posters Only)

[Isilwen]

I provided 20 points in defense of the King James Bible.

I have read them and found them wanting.

 

[Isilwen]

There is no scripture that backs your point of view, none.

Post unbiased websites, then maybe you will have something.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I have read them and found them wanting.

I just added more within the last hour or so.
The original beginning of thread is not the same from when it was created.

Consider point #18.

#18. In the Bible: We can see a pattern of God preserving copies of His Word, and not the original autographs.

(a) Moses destroyed the original 10 Commandments on tablets of stone (the original autograph) (Exodus 32:19), and yet a copy was perfectly made to replace it (Exodus 34:1-4).

(b) King Jehoiakim burns the scroll of Jeremiah (the original autograph) (Jeremiah 36:22-23), but God had Jeremiah make another copy (Jeremiah 36:27-28).
​

Timothy was told by Paul, “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures,” (2 Timothy 3:15). It is highly unlikely that Timothy possessed original autographs of the Holy Scriptures. He had a copy of a copy of a copy and it was called the Holy Scriptures. It was called Scripture that was inspired by God and that was profitable for doctrine (2 Timothy 3:16). So the copies were the trusted Holy Scripture that was inspired by God. The copy of the Ten commandments was a perfect copy, and the same is true with Jeremiah's copy that replaced the original autograph.

So the belief of “OAO (Original Autograph Only) Proponent” that says that we need to look to the original autograph because it is perfect, and the copies are flawed and full of errors is unbiblical. Believers in God's Word can trust that God has preserved a copy of His Word for us today that is perfect (Which would be consistent in the way God operates involving the preservation of His Word). This then leads us to conclude that there must be a perfect Bible that we can find today.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

There is no scripture that backs your point of view, none.

Post unbiased websites, then maybe you will have something.

Some of my points are my own. Other points do come from other KJV advocates. But the point is that if it is in Scripture, it does not negate such a truth (no matter who discovers such a truth).

Consider point #17.

#17. “OAO (Original Autographs Only) Position” Goes Against Scripture & Logic:

1. “Death for getting one letter wrong.” Judges 12:6 says, “Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.” A total of 42,000 men were killed because one man did not add one letter to a word that he spoke. So it is true in the saying of Proverbs. “Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.” (Proverbs 18:21). As most of you here may agree, we do not have the originals; Only copies. Many in the OAO believe all Bibles essentially say the same thing (as if God does not care about the details). But God surely does care about the details of His Word. We learn in His Word that thousands of men died because a man did not speak the Word correctly. Are you speaking the Word exactly as God has for us today? Jesus said if we do not receive His words, those very words will judge us on the last day (John 12:48). But what if we do not have the correct exact words of Jesus? Already His teaching on “fasting to casting out more persistent devils” has been removed in Modern Versions. Do you dare to reject these words of Jesus? Think Judges 12:6 about the man who did not speak the right word correctly.
   
   
2. “The Old is Better.” Luke 5:39 says, “No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.” The OAO (Original Autographs Only) Position is basically saying that the Old is better after they have tasted of the new. They want the old autographs that no longer exist. They will even say the manuscripts of the Codex Vaticanus and the Codex Sinaiticus are better than the Textus Receptus manuscripts because they are older. Jesus says of men when they have tasted of the new, “the old is better.”
   
   
3. “Foreign Languages Spoken to Jews Was a Sign of Judgment.” Like Christians, the Jews also regard the story of Babel in Genesis 11 as Scripture or the Word of God. In this story we learn that the reason why God confounded the language of those at the tower of babel was because they were rebelling against God’s command to spread across the globe. These languages were a form of judgment because they disobeyed God’s command. God sent them confusion by them speaking different tongues for their disobedience. When the Jews were conquered by the Babylonians and went into exile, they heard foreign tongues. This was also a Judgment from God for their disobedience. Today, Christians seek after a more spiritual better message of God by looking to foreign tongues (Which is actually symbolic of God’s judgment). If I sent Hebrew or Greek words from the Bible to a group of high school students, and I asked them to read it, they could not do so. If they tried to speak these words, it would sound like the tower of babel with confusion as the result. But if I asked them to read from a King James bible, they could read from it, and in many instances understand it.
   
   
4. “Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken.” (Ezekiel 22:28). The Making of your own Word of God. But God’s Word should change us, and we should not change or create our own Bible. Modern Translations is all about what you think God’s Word says. It’s about searching for something that caters to you. The dangers are numerous with warnings in Revelation not to add or take away from His Word. If you mistranslated God’s Holy Word and created your own Bible, another could come and read your Bible, and say, “Thus saith the Lord God, when the LORD hath not spoken.” Textual Criticism leads to judging or criticizing God’s holy text or words and their validity that they are even God’s holy words or not.
   
   
5. “Nuances of Certain Idioms and Metaphorical Phrases Can Easily Be Lost.” Without taking into account having lived in that culture, etc., many times we may be simply guessing as to what a dead language says sometimes. For example: The word “gay” was once more commonly used to refer to happiness. But today, if you said that word, it conjures up a different meaning or image in people’s minds. Words and phrases can change with the passage of time. Slang, metaphor, sarcasm, the culture of language, etc. are all things that need to be considered in the enormity of learning a language. Do we truly know them? I believe some things may have simply been lost in translation. God concealed it for His glory. But we do have His Word preserved in our world language today. So there is no need to find out the true and hidden meaning of God’s Word in the originals.

 

[Isilwen]

I just added more within the last hour or so.
The original beginning of thread is not the same from when it was created.

Consider point #18.

#18. In the Bible: We can see a pattern of God preserving copies of His Word, and not the original autographs.

(a) Moses destroyed the original 10 Commandments on tablets of stone (the original autograph) (Exodus 32:19), and yet a copy was perfectly made to replace it (Exodus 34:1-4).

(b) King Jehoiakim burns the scroll of Jeremiah (the original autograph) (Jeremiah 36:22-23), but God had Jeremiah make another copy (Jeremiah 36:27-28).
​

Timothy was told by Paul, “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures,” (2 Timothy 3:15). It is highly unlikely that Timothy possessed original autographs of the Holy Scriptures. He had a copy of a copy of a copy and it was called the Holy Scriptures. It was called Scripture that was inspired by God and that was profitable for doctrine (2 Timothy 3:16). So the copies were the trusted Holy Scripture that was inspired by God. The copy of the Ten commandments was a perfect copy, and the same is true with Jeremiah's copy that replaced the original autograph.

So the belief of “OAO (Original Autograph Only) Proponent” that says that we need to look to the original autograph because it is perfect, and the copies are flawed and full of errors is unbiblical. Believers in God's Word can trust that God has preserved a copy of His Word for us today that is perfect (Which would be consistent in the way God operates involving the preservation of His Word). This then leads us to conclude that there must be a perfect Bible that we can find today.

Still doesn't prove anything that the KJV is God's chosen translation in English.

 

[Isilwen]

But the point is that if it is in Scripture, it does not negate such a truth (no matter who discovers such a truth).

The point is, you are taking stuff from the Bible and forcing it into the KJVO idea. You are making God's word to fit your agenda or the KJVO agenda.

Truth is, there is nothing in the Bible that says the KJV is God's chosen Bible. Nothing, nada, zip!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Still doesn't prove anything that the KJV is God's chosen translation in English.

It does when you realize that we see a pattern in Scripture of God preserving His Word in a language that they understood with a copy and not the original autograph. Psalms 12:7 essentially says His words will be preserved forever.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The point is, you are taking stuff from the Bible and forcing it into the KJVO idea. You are making God's word to fit your agenda or the KJVO agenda.

Truth is, there is nothing in the Bible that says the KJV is God's chosen Bible. Nothing, nada, zip!

Again, if God is consistent in the way He operates in His Word, then we should expect God to provide a perfect copy for us today in a language that we can understand today. This is what we read about in Scripture. So if Jesus said heaven and earth will pass away but His words will not pass away, then we have to trust that. Modern Translations take away the words of Jesus. They remove the teaching on fasting by Jesus to cast out persistent demons among other things.

 

[Isilwen]

It does when you realize that we see a pattern in Scripture of God preserving His Word in a language that they understood with a copy and not the original autograph. Psalms 12:7 essentially says His words will be preserved forever.

It doesn't mean that the KJV is the only English version that God preserved. I don't understand much of the vernacular of the time that the KJV was written. I failed the Shakespeare portion of High School because it was distracting and I couldn't get through it.

So, by your logic, we should just be able to read the KJV without having to use outside aids to understand it. I hate to tell you, it fails at that.

 

[Isilwen]

Again, if God is consistent in the way He operates in His Word, then we should expect God to provide a perfect copy for us today in a language that we can understand today.

As I said in my last post, I don't understand much of the vernacular of the time that the KJV was written. So, the KJV fails at being a perfect copy by your own words.

 

[Sam81]

If you were to read the CEV (Contemporary English Version) and GNT (Good News Translation) translations, and compare Isaiah 14:12 with Revelation 22:16, they use the same words "bright and morning star." Revelation 22:16 is the name of Jesus. Isaiah 14:12 is the name of Lucifer.

No doubt you went on Bible Hub and scanned all the translations in an effort to find some that support your agenda. To be fair, I don't agree with the use of the word "bright" being added to the text in that verse as I feel the original doesn't warrant it.

No translation is perfect. Minor problems can be found in all of them, including the KJV. The problem is that you don't extend the same grace to any other translation. I wonder why. Please answer the following:

If English-speaking people were to translate a Bible into a language which previously had no translation, should the new translation be from the TR or from the KJV?

Why do you turn a blind eye to all the issues with the KJV while being all too ready to point out the imperfections of other translations?

Do you believe that the imperfections found in the translation of the KJV, in actuality, constitute advanced revelation, in that they were caused by God in the bringing forth of His true word in English?

If the answer to these questions is yes, then on what grounds do you extend such a liberty to the KJV rather than another translation? And if the answer is no, then I ask again, why should we always defer to the KJV over the original texts?

 

[Heavenhome]

#15. The Living Word vs. the Communicated Word:

One must realize that there is a symbiotic relationship between the "Living Word" (Jesus) and the Communicated Word of God (Which today would be Scripture).

See this thread here to learn more with Scripture:

The Living Word & the Communicated Word.​

So if the Living Word (Jesus) is perfect, we should realize that there is a perfect Word in existence, as well. Meaning, if Jesus lives inside of us today and He does not live in the past alone, then there must be a perfect Communicated Word (Scripture) that we can hold in our hands today.

#16. The Time in History in Which It Was Translated:

Before I discuss this point, three truths need to be understood.

(a) Living Word vs. Communicated Word.
(b) Seven Purifications of the KJV.
(c) Church Ages in Revelation 2-3.
​

I. “Living Word vs. Communicated Word.” We already discussed the importance of the point about “the Living Word vs. the Communicated Word.” For if Jesus is perfect and lives in you today, and not the past, then this means that there is a Communicated Word that there is a perfect Communicated Word that we should have in our possession today.

II. “There are Seven Purifications of the KJV.” Psalms 12:6 says, “The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.”

• The First 1611
• The Second 1611
• The 1613
• The 1629
• The 1638
• The 1769
• The Pure Cambridge Edition (circa. 1900).

The Cambridge Edition (circa 1900) removed the Apocrypha and did the last perfect update of the King James Bible that we have today. To learn more, why the KJV Cambridge Edition is the correct pure KJV, see this brief article here.

III. “The Church Ages of Revelation chapters 2-3.”

I believe the seven churches in Revelation 2-3 speak of real churches that existed during John’s time, and they are real churches that emerged again in the future to show a church age. There are the churches ages of:

1. Ephesus
2. Smyrna
3. Pergamos
4. Thyatira
5. Sardis - Protestant Reformation emerges in history (1517).
6. Philadelphia - Wesleyanism emerges in history (1730).
7 Laodicea - Small emergence of the Ecumenism movement (1867). Major Emergence of the Ecumenism movement (1910).​

Ecumenism date source for 1867:
https://corescholar.libraries.wrigh...om/&httpsredir=1&article=1249&context=history

Ecumenism date source for 1910:
ecumenism | Definition & History

The King James Bible was first translated in 1611. This was the core foundation for what would become the seventh final purification of the 1900 Cambridge Edition that removed the Apocrypha from the KJV (among other slight updates). The “Cambridge edition (circa. 1900)” was not a new translation but it was an edition update of the 1611 King James Bible. The improvement of typographical errors and spelling, etc. are not major changes of what the 1611 says.

The original “King James Bible” (1611) was translated during the “Sardis period church age” (Which was the Protestant Reformation), which was then followed by the “Philadelphia church age” with the “Wesleyan holiness movement” in 1730. Please take note that the Laodicean church age is a lukewarm church that Christ would spew out of his mouth. Faithful men of God in the Wesleyan holiness movement had the King James Bible long before the Laodicean church age came into being. But in 1881, something emerged that was different. It was the birth of the Revised Version by occultists Westcott and Hort. This was also close to the time of the Ecumenism movement that slowly emerged in 1867, and blew wide open in 1910. The Cambridge Edition (the final and perfect KJV) came into being circa 1900. A perfect Bible to meet the dark times that came. I will now quote Scripture:

“The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light:
they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.” (Isaiah 9:2).

6 “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God,
The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end,
upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom,
to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice
from henceforth even for ever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.”
(Isaiah 9:6-7).​

For hundreds of years between the Old and New Testament, there was a period of silence. Like a black (dark) spot in history. When Jesus emerged onto the scene in a manger as a baby, the times were spiritually dark. One man (Herod) in an attempt to kill Jesus had ended up slaughtering a whole bunch of other children. When Jesus was an adult, John the Baptist was beheaded. Jesus was a light in a time of darkness.

As I pointed out before, there is a symbiotic relationship between the “Living Word, and the Communicated Word.” See this thread here (if you missed the Scriptural references that proves this point).

So a New Age Bible came on to the scene, and Ecumenism came on to the scene in 1880’s. So as the times got dark spiritually for the church in the 1880’s (See my side note below), a perfect light emerged onto the scene sometime approximately in 1900 to meet these dark spiritual times. It was a pure and perfect Word. It was the Pure King James Cambridge Edition shining a light in the darkness, just like the pure Living Word (Jesus) was a light that came in a time of darkness.

In approximately 1970, at the same time the New Age Movement hit America, the Modern Translations went mainstream in the churches. At one point in time before this, church doors were unlocked and most of them all had a King James Bible within them. But that has all changed today. I believe that as a result of not having a final Word of authority in the church anymore, this led to all the spiritually moral problems and abominations that we see in America today unlike ever before. Yes, we still have the church of Sardis among us. We also even have the church of Philadelphia among us (in small numbers), as well (even though we are not in the Philadelphia period or age where they flourished greatly). But today we are under the widespread rule of the Laodicean church age. This is the last church age.

Today we see many lukewarm preachers. Why? There is no more King James Bible in their building anymore. It has been abandoned because they prefer a Bible that is watered down and or lukewarm. This fits the times that we are in (2 Timothy 3:1-9). A Bible that once was a part of a part of a special time in history where the common man first had access to a whole bible for the first time in the 1600-1700's (Sardis/Philadelphia periods) is now something that is being rejected in this current church age (The Laodicean church age).

In other words, the “King James Bible” is the “Word of God” because of the time in history in which it was translated (1611 / Cambridge - 1900).


#17. “OAO (Original Autographs Only) Position” Goes Against Scripture & Logic:

1. “Death for getting one letter wrong.” Judges 12:6 says, “Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.” A total of 42,000 men were killed because one man did not add one letter to a word that he spoke. So it is true in the saying of Proverbs. “Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.” (Proverbs 18:21). As most of you here may agree, we do not have the originals; Only copies. Many in the OAO believe all Bibles essentially say the same thing (as if God does not care about the details). But God surely does care about the details of His Word. We learn in His Word that thousands of men died because a man did not speak the Word correctly. Are you speaking the Word exactly as God has for us today? Jesus said if we do not receive His words, those very words will judge us on the last day (John 12:48). But what if we do not have the correct exact words of Jesus? Already His teaching on “fasting to casting out more persistent devils” has been removed in Modern Versions. Do you dare to reject these words of Jesus? Think Judges 12:6 about the man who did not speak the right word correctly.
   
   
2. “The Old is Better.” Luke 5:39 says, “No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.” The OAO (Original Autographs Only) Position is basically saying that the Old is better after they have tasted of the new. They want the old autographs that no longer exist. They will even say the manuscripts of the Codex Vaticanus and the Codex Sinaiticus are better than the Textus Receptus manuscripts because they are older. Jesus says of men when they have tasted of the new, “the old is better.”
   
   
3. “Foreign Languages Spoken to Jews Was a Sign of Judgment.” Like Christians, the Jews also regard the story of Babel in Genesis 11 as Scripture or the Word of God. In this story we learn that the reason why God confounded the language of those at the tower of babel was because they were rebelling against God’s command to spread across the globe. These languages were a form of judgment because they disobeyed God’s command. God sent them confusion by them speaking different tongues for their disobedience. When the Jews were conquered by the Babylonians and went into exile, they heard foreign tongues. This was also a Judgment from God for their disobedience. Today, Christians seek after a more spiritual better message of God by looking to foreign tongues (Which is actually symbolic of God’s judgment). If I sent Hebrew or Greek words from the Bible to a group of high school students, and I asked them to read it, they could not do so. If they tried to speak these words, it would sound like the tower of babel with confusion as the result. But if I asked them to read from a King James bible, they could read from it, and in many instances understand it.
   
   
4. “Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken.” (Ezekiel 22:28). The Making of your own Word of God. But God’s Word should change us, and we should not change or create our own Bible. Modern Translations is all about what you think God’s Word says. It’s about searching for something that caters to you. The dangers are numerous with warnings in Revelation not to add or take away from His Word. If you mistranslated God’s Holy Word and created your own Bible, another could come and read your Bible, and say, “Thus saith the Lord God, when the LORD hath not spoken.” Textual Criticism leads to judging or criticizing God’s holy text or words and their validity that they are even God’s holy words or not.
   
   
5. “Nuances of Certain Idioms and Metaphorical Phrases Can Easily Be Lost.” Without taking into account having lived in that culture, etc., many times we may be simply guessing as to what a dead language says sometimes. For example: The word “gay” was once more commonly used to refer to happiness. But today, if you said that word, it conjures up a different meaning or image in people’s minds. Words and phrases can change with the passage of time. Slang, metaphor, sarcasm, the culture of language, etc. are all things that need to be considered in the enormity of learning a language. Do we truly know them? I believe some things may have simply been lost in translation. God concealed it for His glory. But we do have His Word preserved in our world language today. So there is no need to find out the true and hidden meaning of God’s Word in the originals.

#18. In the Bible: We can see a pattern of God preserving copies of His Word, and not the original autographs.

(a) Moses destroyed the original 10 Commandments on tablets of stone (the original autograph) (Exodus 32:19), and yet a copy was perfectly made to replace it (Exodus 34:1-4).

(b) King Jehoiakim burns the scroll of Jeremiah (Jeremiah 36:22-23), but God had Jeremiah make another copy (Jeremiah 36:27-28).
​

Timothy was told by Paul, “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures,” (2 Timothy 3:15). It is highly unlikely that Timothy possessed original autographs of the Holy Scriptures. He had a copy of a copy of a copy and it was called the Holy Scriptures. It was called Scripture that was inspired by God and that was profitable for doctrine (2 Timothy 3:16). So the copies were the trusted Holy Scripture that was inspired by God. The copy of the Ten commandments was a perfect copy, and the same is true with Jeremiah's copy that replaced the original autograph.

So the belief of “OAO (Original Autograph Only) Proponent” that says that we need to look to the original autograph because it is perfect, and the copies are flawed and full of errors is unbiblical. Believers in God's Word can trust that God has preserved a copy of His Word for us today that is perfect (Which would be consistent in the way God operates involving the preservation of His Word). This then leads us to conclude that there must be a perfect Bible that we can find today.


#19. God cannot lie, and The Scriptures cannot be broken:

“Modern Translation Adherents” many times say that there are no perfect Bibles and they are full of errors. They are basically saying my Bible is broken. They are saying the Scriptures are broken. Full of mistakes. But...

Let God be true, and every man be found as a liar. (Romans 3:4).​

God keeps His promises.

“In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;” (Titus 1:2). What did God promise us? “...and the scripture cannot be broken;” (John 10:35); And God cannot lie like men. So if your trust is in a scholar over what God’s Word says, your faith is in the wrong place, my friend. Trust God’s Holy Word and not men who can lie to you. God keeps the promises of His Word. One of His promises is that Scripture cannot be broken. So trust it. Trust the Scriptures in that they cannot be broken or full of mistakes.

#20. 1 Thessalonians 2:13 says that we received the Words not as the words of men, but as the very words of God.

For it is written:
“...when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God,” (1 Thessalonians 2:13).​

Dear believer:

Do you believe that the Bible you hold in your hands are the very words of God?

If you mix man’s words into God’s words, it’s no longer the Word of God. It’s a hybrid. It’s no longer God’s words because the corruption of men’s words have tainted His pure words. God’s Words are holy and pure and set apart from men’s words. Yes. God tells us stories in His word. These stories sometimes include men who have sinned, but the very words that God tells us from this story are holy, and they have a message to lead men into seeking forgiveness with Him and in living a holy life. His words are holy and they are profitable for doctrine, instruction in righteousness, etc. All Scripture is profitable (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

If you have not found the very words of God as spoken in 1 Thessalonians 2:13, I would encourage you to seek it out with prayer, and by seeking out the Scriptures diligently.




Side Note 1:

Please keep in mind that I do believe a person can be initially saved with a Modern Translation and even grow in the


Thank you for such extensive, studied information.
Isn't it strange that no other Bible other than the King James gets so much opposition?
Or is it?
To have such a response it must be very right or very wrong. I'm firmly convinced through much investigating years ago, that it is very right.
I had read many other versions, yet kept coming back to the KJV.
I am not at all eloquent in debate and thank you sincerely for setting this all out so well for everyone to study, if they will.

Sadly many will simply disregard it but for those who do look into it, they will be challenged and encouraged.

 

[Heavenhome]

Thank you for the extensive study and notes you have supplied BibleHighlighter in this thread.
I often think its funny that no other Bible comes up against such opposition than the KJV.It is indeed strange.
Or is it?
To get such reactions it must surely be either very right or very wrong.
Years ago, I had read many versions and always returned to the KJV. Then I did much study and investigation and I came to the conclusion that it is Gods preserved Bible.

I am not eloquent in debate but do really thank you for putting up so much for people to look into themselves.
I hope that people will look at it with an open mind but fear that many will disregard it.
To God alone be glory.

 

[robycop3]

It does when you realize that we see a pattern in Scripture of God preserving His Word in a language that they understood with a copy and not the original autograph. Psalms 12:7 essentially says His words will be preserved forever.

I proved to you that Psalm 12:7 is about PEOPLE, even in the AV 1611, citing the footnote for the 2nd them in that verse.

 

[robycop3]

Thank you for the extensive study and notes you have supplied BibleHighlighter in this thread.
I often think its funny that no other Bible comes up against such opposition than the KJV.It is indeed strange.
Or is it?
To get such reactions it must surely be either very right or very wrong.
Years ago, I had read many versions and always returned to the KJV. Then I did much study and investigation and I came to the conclusion that it is Gods preserved Bible.

I am not eloquent in debate but do really thank you for putting up so much for people to look into themselves.
I hope that people will look at it with an open mind but fear that many will disregard it.
To God alone be glory.

But, can you provide any SCRIPTURE supporting the KJVO myth ?

 

[robycop3]

I am glad you are doing well.



Thank you for answering my question. I imagine it was a different time back then in the 50's. I read of an account of a person who grew up most likely during these times and he went to visit a ton of churches by bike outside the worship service times (with the doors being unlocked) and he looked in these churches and he noticed that they all had a King James bible available. Another person from a completely different source said that by 1970, all the churches started to use mainstream Modern Bible Translations. Coincidentally during this time that is when the New Age movement boomed here in America. Slowly after 1970, we had a lot of moral changes take place, as well. Certain sins that were not accepted in the public openly are now being accepted today. I believe this is because men have gotten away from having a final Word of authority. You may see it as a coincidence, but I know that Modern Translations water down the doctrine of holy living. I know Modern Translations cause confusion and there is no final Word of authority like trusting in one book like it used to be so long ago.



I respectfully disagree, dear elder.
Guilt by association is not always true.
Just because Catholics believe in the Trinity does not invalidate the truth of the Trinity.

There are plenty of KJV Onlyists who are not Seventh Day Adventists.
I also do not agree with all KJV Onlyists on all doctrines or truths, either.
I do not agree with KJV Onlyists on:

(a) We must use only the KJV.
(b) The KJV is always easy to understand.​

I disagree with my fellow KJV advocates on these two issues. I believe we can use Modern Translations, but these translations cannot be our final Word of authority because they all say different things and can sow confusion. Looking to the original languages as one's final word of authority is also problematic because nobody truly grew up knowing these languages intimately to know the nuances of the intricacies of these languages to know without a shadow of doubt of what is being said. Not all scholars agree on what the original languages say and so we just have to like guess. But if we simply believe God's Word preserved His Word as He says in His Word (Psalms 12:7), then this is not a problem. We will look for a perfect Word that does exist in our world language today. Paul said he uses the plainness of speech because of the hope we have (2 Corinthians 3:12). In fact, if you believe there is a devil, and if you believe the devil is out to destroy God's Word, it is a logical conclusion that from his perspective, altering the truth in Psalms 12:7 is his best strategy to get you to doubt that His Word is preserved today. Is that not suspicious? Stop with the.... “Yeah, but the best manuscripts say this, etc.” and think in terms of how the enemy would think in destroying a person's faith. Brother.... out of all the times I heard Christians leaving the faith, it was because they favored a Modern Translation. Another coincidence? If you say so. But there has to be a point where if we keep seeing these coincidences over and over and over, it is no longer a coincidence.



From your perspective I can see how this may be so, but from my perspective, I believe the King James is the pure Word of God that is divine and perfect. I am so confident of this fact that I would die for this truth. Why? There are so many evidences that back this truth up. There are people who say you cannot prove the Bible. I disagree. Yes, you can. Yes, there is always going to be an element of faith. But there are many proves that back up the Bible in general and the King James Bible as the Word of God.

I proved that Psalm 12;7 is NOT about God's word, but is about PEOPLE, using the AV 1611 as proof.

I, and others, PROVED the KJV is NOT perfect. We have posted several of its goofs & booboos, which you cannot disprove.

Several KJV editions say different things.

And, while the KJV is a translation of God's word in English, it's not the best nor most-accurate, & certainly isn't the only one. Just as a Chevy Silverado is a truck, it's not the only truck.

But you'd stick with a "Model T" Bible version, when there are "Mustang & Camaro" versions around. Why use a Bible version that many of your peer group have trouble understanding ?

The "morning star" thingie is non-sequitur, as others, as well as I, have shown. While Jesus is the "brightest" of the 'morning stars', there are many of them.

There's absolutely NO Scriptural support for the KJVO myth, a fact that automatically makes it false, and that you don't DARE discuss.

In other words, you're making a house without a foundation. The whole KJVO myth is phony as a Ford Corvette.

 

[Sam81]

Here's the thing... nobody is denying that the KJV is the word of God. We just don't see a biblical reason to take the stand that the KJV is the only translation that can be called the word of God. Any literal translation, such as the NKJV, the NASB, or the ESV, can be considered inspired, authoritative scripture.

The little differences are incidental. No Bible is perfect in it's composition. But the Bible is absolutely perfect and inerrant in it's teachings.

Lastly, why the KJV and not the TR? People know more about ancient Greek today than in the 17th century. There are now far more resources available from that era to study and compare...to really understand the subtleties and nuances of the ancient Greek. Not to mention how our own language has changed. As a result, the NKJV is far more accurate than the KJV.

Even if the KJVO points are true, I see no reason to extend such consideration to the KJV rather than the TR. Yet KJVO people do. Which makes zero sense.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Thank you for the extensive study and notes you have supplied BibleHighlighter in this thread.

You are most welcome. Lord willing, I am planning to add 7 more points to the list (bring the count up to 27). My goal is to only add the best points that would convince myself if I was reading and in doubt. I am also hoping to add a little more information to a few points I already made, as well. I never thought I would be in this kind of discussion ever again. But God does have a way of surprising us (as I am sure you know).

I often think its funny that no other Bible comes up against such opposition than the KJV. It is indeed strange.
Or is it? To get such reactions it must surely be either very right or very wrong.

The study I did on the “Symbiotic Relationship Between the Living Word and the Communicated Word” shows a connection here in what you said. Just as Jesus was under heavy opposition, the KJV comes under heavy opposition. Coincidence? Well, if we look at all the links in the chain in defense for the KJV, I don't believe it is a coincidence. But let every man or woman examine the points I have made for themselves honestly and fairly and make their own conclusion or judgment. I can only lead a horse to water. The rest is up to our Lord and if they are willing.

Years ago, I had read many versions and always returned to the KJV. Then I did much study and investigation and I came to the conclusion that it is Gods preserved Bible.

Praise be unto the Lord. There is a comfort in having a sure Word that is nailed down and not so easily altered.

I am not eloquent in debate but do really thank you for putting up so much for people to look into themselves.

I believe God has gifted us all with our own unique talents that is precious in His sight. May all glory be unto the Lord within the working of the body of Christ.

I hope that people will look at it with an open mind but fear that many will disregard it.
To God alone be glory.

Thank you for your kind words and in contributing your thoughts to the thread. It is greatly appreciated.

“And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.” (Philippians 4:7).

 

[Sam81]

You are most welcome. Lord willing, I am planning to add 7 more points to the list (bring the count up to 27). My goal is to only add the best points that would convince myself if I was reading and in doubt. I am also hoping to add a little more information to a few points I already made, as well. I never thought I would be in this kind of discussion ever again. But God does have a way of surprising us (as I am sure you know).



The study I did on the “Symbiotic Relationship Between the Living Word and the Communicated Word” shows a connection here in what you said. Just as Jesus was under heavy opposition, the KJV comes under heavy opposition. Coincidence? Well, if we look at all the links in the chain in defense for the KJV, I don't believe it is a coincidence. But let every man or woman examine the points I have made for themselves honestly and fairly and make their own conclusion or judgment. I can only lead a horse to water. The rest is up to our Lord and if they are willing.



Praise be unto the Lord. There is a comfort in having a sure Word that is nailed down and not so easily altered.



I believe God has gifted us all with our own unique talents that is precious in His sight. May all glory be unto the Lord within the working of the body of Christ.



Thank you for your kind words and in contributing your thoughts to the thread. It is greatly appreciated.

“And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.” (Philippians 4:7).

You know what? I could come a lot closer to believing that the TR, the "recieved word", is the one and only divine word of God. Even Erasmus said that he felt inspired in compiling it. But I just can't bring myself to say that the KJV takes precedence over the TR. Indeed many of your arguments could also be used to support the TR. I'm sorry, I cannot understand why the KJV would take precedence over it's source, particularly when so much more is known about ancient Greek today and the errors in the KJV so obvious. That would require faith on my part, and I can't have faith in a translation.

 

[Sam81]

There have always been schisms in the church. People were doing it in the days of Paul. Bringing in new doctrines and ideas that divide people. I specifically remember one time about 20 years ago in my church the pastor went to conference and the pastor who took over was a little inexperienced and by the time the pastor got back the whole church was divided over this very issue. Someone started going around showing people that their NIV Bible was messed up and dividing the church over it. I'll never forget it, it's like Satan knew the perfect time. And there's a lot of little ideas and doctrines that pop up from time to time and it's destructive. Definitely the work of the enemy.