Biden might be in trouble.

[Hieronymus]

So that men can do things regardless of the consent of their partners?????

Blocked.

 

[stevil]

The establishment is generally representative of the status quo. Corporatist policies reinforcing already entrenched positions. Establishment candidates often push for nominal change while mostly keeping things as-is.

In that particular sentence you quoted, i'm labeling both the Democrats and Republicans parties, as "the establishment". Any third party would not be part of the establishment.

I guess I don't really like the term "establishment" as a criticism term.
It seems like quite a cop out. As it allows the person using to hide what it is that they actually want.

Are they against capitalism? Do they want a socialist system? or an anarcho capitalist system?
Do they want to change the current government system? Do they want the Republic system to be gone and instead have a British style democratic government or perhaps a dictatorship instead?

Is there a particular policy that irks them, that neither Democratic nor Republican are willing to tackle such as having a public healthcare system or getting rid of the second amendment?

From the outside I see the Democratic and Republican parties as very different from each other. Such that when the power changes then your laws flip flop, especially with regards to human rights. When Republicans come in, they immediately take away LGBT rights and women's rights and immediately increase Christian rights. When Democrats come in they immediately restore everyone's rights to be equal and allow people to have control over their own bodies.

 

[KCfromNC]

In fairness, the topic is whether Biden is in trouble in the election, as a result of this allegation and recent potential evidence, right? Therefore, a number of dynamics surrounding the election come into play, but especially how Biden's actions hurt his election chances. Well when most people only think in terms of the two candidates the main parties put forward, then they are going to weigh their choices, and Trump's record, including his moral record, will be compared to Biden's.

And alternative view - in the previous election, the candidate whose lawyer went to prison for paying off a port star so she wouldn't disclose the candidate had sex with her while his wife was at home with her newborn was also the candidate who won the election. So it seems reasonable to look at that evidence to determine how much impact the current set of allegations might have on a candidate's electability.

 

[stevil]

And alternative view - in the previous election, the candidate whose lawyer went to prison for paying off a port star so she wouldn't disclose the candidate had sex with her while his wife was at home with her newborn was also the candidate who won the election. So it seems reasonable to look at that evidence to determine how much impact the current set of allegations might have on a candidate's electability.

There is a difference between paying for it vs taking it by force.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Again I note, it is not too late to say we don't need either person with a history of making women uncomfortable with their comments, touch, etc.

if we pass that standard, then the easiest way to end a persons candidacy for whatever office is to have someone or find someone to file a complaint that they made them uncomfortable etc....

is the accusation enough to end a career and if so, will we ever be able to have a candidate again? Regardless of Party.

 

[Always in His Presence]

And alternative view - in the previous election, the candidate whose lawyer went to prison for paying off a port star so she wouldn't disclose the candidate had sex with her while his wife was at home with her newborn was also the candidate who won the election. So it seems reasonable to look at that evidence to determine how much impact the current set of allegations might have on a candidate's electability.

then how far back do we go? Should a man who was having sexual in the White House while his wife and child slept upstairs have been able to be re elected?

or should a man who let a girl drown in his car while he went back to a party house should have ever been elected.

how do we determine the new standard?

 

[KCfromNC]

then how far back do we go? Should a man who was having sexual in the White House while his wife and child slept upstairs have been able to be re elected?

Another good datapoint against the premise presented by the OP.

 

[KCfromNC]

There is a difference between paying for it vs taking it by force.

Fair enough, I guess that was only a violation of campaign finance laws.

 

[whatbogsends]

I guess I don't really like the term "establishment" as a criticism term.
It seems like quite a cop out. As it allows the person using to hide what it is that they actually want.

Are they against capitalism? Do they want a socialist system? or an anarcho capitalist system?
Do they want to change the current government system? Do they want the Republic system to be gone and instead have a British style democratic government or perhaps a dictatorship instead?

Is there a particular policy that irks them, that neither Democratic nor Republican are willing to tackle such as having a public healthcare system or getting rid of the second amendment?

From the outside I see the Democratic and Republican parties as very different from each other. Such that when the power changes then your laws flip flop, especially with regards to human rights. When Republicans come in, they immediately take away LGBT rights and women's rights and immediately increase Christian rights. When Democrats come in they immediately restore everyone's rights to be equal and allow people to have control over their own bodies.

The Democrats and Republicans are very different in rhetoric, different in terms of what social values they promote, but both are beholden to big business. Both parties have sold out the American people and serve corporations and, through legalized bribery via lobbying and donations. They focus on the wedge issues where there is very little actual movement despite all the talk, and work in unison to further empower big business.

Take health care, for instance. It has been a huge problem in America for decades, but it's not simply the partisan bickering that prevents a solution, it's that when either party has had an opportunity to enact something, they haven't. Even Obamacare, which may have had noble beginnings, ended up essentially being a give-away to the insurance industry. They didn't fix the fundamental problems with our health care delivery model. To an extent, conservatives are right to criticize the ACA, but their own political representatives have done absolutely nothing in that regard, including, after 8 years of "repeal and replace", they held all 3 branches of government and did absolutely nothing, except to weaken the ACA, making it even more dysfunctional.

If the establishment were actually serving the people and weren't thoroughly corrupt, it wouldn't be a pejorative. But they are, and therefore it is.

Don't get me wrong. I think one party is significantly worse than the other. Even the things they verbally support I disagree with, and the things they align with Democrats on I also disagree with. At least the Democrats throw some scraps out to the people in the guise of being on their side.

 

[HannahT]

then how far back do we go? Should a man who was having sexual in the White House while his wife and child slept upstairs have been able to be re elected?

or should a man who let a girl drown in his car while he went back to a party house should have ever been elected.

how do we determine the new standard?

There is no standard really.

The goalposts are constantly moving to keep up with political - or so called cultural goals at the moment.

 

[stevil]

Fair enough, I guess that was only a violation of campaign finance laws.

But we were talking about violations against women, rather than violations of law.

Violating campaign finance laws is also a major issue, but not one of abuse against women.

 

[stevil]

then how far back do we go? Should a man who was having sexual in the White House while his wife and child slept upstairs have been able to be re elected?

A person's love lifeis their own business.
We don't lock people up for having a complicated love life and we don't fire them from their job.

People are entitled to have private lives.

 

[Always in His Presence]

A person's love life is their own business.
We don't lock people up for having a complicated love life and we don't fire them from their job.

People are entitled to have private lives.

They certainly are - but there are exceptions to every principle. One of the primary reasons why schools don't hire known pedophiles and nursing homes do not hire known rapists.

 

[stevil]

They certainly are - but there are exceptions to every principle. One of the primary reasons why schools don't hire known pedophiles and nursing homes do not hire known rapists.

A person falling out of love with their wife and having consensual relations with another adult is very different from an adult targeting children or raping people.

One person is a danger to society, the other person is not.

 

[tall73]

if we pass that standard, then the easiest way to end a persons candidacy for whatever office is to have someone or find someone to file a complaint that they made them uncomfortable etc....

is the accusation enough to end a career and if so, will we ever be able to have a candidate again? Regardless of Party.

No, I have never held that the accusation without evidence is enough.

However, there is more than sufficient evidence of Trump's lack of moral character to meet the burden of proof for me in regards to the thing he has admitted.

And Biden's touching of women, smelling their hair, etc. is available for all to view.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Biden might be in trouble.

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His handlers have to remind him of that each and every morning.
MB

 

[Belk]

Biden might be in trouble.

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His handlers have to remind him of that each and every morning.
MB

Remind me what the bible says about lies and gossip?

 

[A_Thinker]

Biden might be in trouble.

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His handlers have to remind him of that each and every morning.
MB

Looks like YOU might be losing it here.

You seem pretty fixated on this.

Perhaps a different life focus would be helpful ...

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Remind me what the bible says about lies and gossip?

If we read further
telling the truth is also a big one.
M

 

[A_Thinker]

If we read further telling the truth is also a big one.
M

1 Thessalonians 4

11 Make it your goal to live a quiet life, minding your own business and working with your hands, just as we instructed you before. 12 Then people who are not believers will respect the way you live, and you will not need to depend on others.

Best stay busy with the goats, Bob ...