Biden might be in trouble.

[Tiberius Lee]

They sent a message that you can't build a coalition by neglecting people in it. The establishment hasn't gotten the message yet. They might next time. Or more progressives might get the message they don't need to establishment and should do their own thing.

And no, many don't like the way the country is running. But then Clinton was not for their main issues either. She doesn't make as many racist comments (well, not since the super predator days). But she still sold those weapons to human rights abusers, sold more weapons than the Bush administration, and pushed for action in Libya that resulted in a failed state, and tolerated a genocide by rebel groups we supported.

It is frightening to know the price of “Sending message” by Barnie supporter! It seems like they have no problem whatsoever destroy America as we know it, just so they can send a message!

As I said , I have greater respect for Trump supporter .. at least they believe what Trump is doing to America!

 

[Tiberius Lee]

I got you. To vote your conscience is wrong. But you saying you will vote for Biden regardless of his faults, that is right.

I am not responsible for other people's vote. If everyone who thought Biden was a flawed candidate voted for someone else we wouldn't have to have Trump or Biden.

If Barnie’s supporter conscience is to demonize immigrant and treat them inhumanly , then they can stay home, vote for 3rd party candidate and let Trump get reelected.

If Barnie’s supporter conscience is “American” to block immigration based on skin color or religion, then they can stay home, vote for 3rd party candidate and let Trump get reelected.

If Barnie’s supporter conscience is to take away Obama care and kick millions of people out of healthcare system, then they can stay home, vote for 3rd party candidate and let Trump get reelected.

If Barnie’s supporter conscience is American President should embolden and give creditability to world dictator like N.K dictator, then they can stay home, vote for 3rd party candidate and let Trump get reelected.

 

[tall73]

If Barnie’s supporter conscience is to demonize immigrant and treat them inhumanly , then they can stay home, vote for 3rd party candidate and let Trump get reelected.

The Obama administration put children in cages as well, which Biden was a part of. And they deported many.

And they bombed many brown and black children. And in Libya they allowed a genocide of Africans.

But I imagine he talks better than Trump. Is that what is important? His talking worse means the media actually pays attention and pushes back.

If Barnie’s supporter conscience is “American” to block immigration based on skin color or religion, then they can stay home, vote for 3rd party candidate and let Trump get reelected.

He particularly limited the countries we were bombing and have been over the last few administrations, not just his.

Other administrations limited them to a degree, Trump took it further, no doubt. But the difference is with Trump the media highlighted it. Maybe if they had highlighted our bombing in all these countries there would be more focus on the problem from the beginning.

If Barnie’s supporter conscience is to take away Obama care and kick millions of people out of healthcare system, then they can stay home, vote for 3rd party candidate and let Trump get reelected.

Obama care is not affordable. And the establishment wing of the Democrats will not even deviate from it in the midst of a pandemic. Trump is proposing to pay hospitals for those uninsured who need Covid treatment. Meanwhile establishment folks are talking about a new enrollment period so that folks who have no money can buy insurance with the money they don't have.

If Barnie’s supporter conscience is American President should embolden and give creditability to world dictator like N.K dictator, then they can stay home, vote for 3rd party candidate and let Trump get reelected.

I do not fault politicians for meeting with their enemies. You don't get peace without it. Hence, I also don't fault Tulsi for meeting with Assad. Are you going to fault Obama for easing relations with Cuba or paying off a long-owed debt to Iran?

 

[tall73]

If Barnie’s supporter conscience is to demonize immigrant and treat them inhumanly , then they can stay home, vote for 3rd party candidate and let Trump get reelected..

Were Obama's cages more patriotic than Trumps?

 

[Tiberius Lee]

The Obama administration put children in cages as well, which Biden was a part of. And they deported many.

And they bombed many brown and black children. And in Libya they allowed a genocide of Africans.

But I imagine he talks better than Trump. Is that what is important? His talking worse means the media actually pays attention and pushes back.



He particularly limited the countries we were bombing and have been over the last few administrations, not just his.

Other administrations limited them to a degree, Trump took it further, no doubt. But the difference is with Trump the media highlighted it. Maybe if they had highlighted our bombing in all these countries there would be more focus on the problem from the beginning.


Obama care is not affordable. And the establishment wing of the Democrats will not even deviate from it in the midst of a pandemic. Trump is proposing to pay hospitals for those uninsured who need Covid treatment. Meanwhile establishment folks are talking about a new enrollment period so that folks who have no money can buy insurance with the money they don't have.



I do not fault politicians for meeting with their enemies. You don't get peace without it. Hence, I also don't fault Tulsi for meeting with Assad. Are you going to fault Obama for easing relations with Cuba or paying off a long-owed debt to Iran?

Thank you for honest assessment of Obama administration. This is why when democrat and the moderate realized that Barnie has a great chance to be nominee, they consolidated their support behind a centrist candidate and voted for Biden. Because a Barnie nomination and then choosing Barnie vs Trump wouldn’t be a choice .. it would have been all the same. Reading your post .. it is very clear that in many case Barnie’s policy would have been same as Trump policy. American voter overwhelming rejected Barnie’s lefty forging policy and lip service in primary.

I think you are right .. Barnie supporter should vote for 3rd party .. stay home or vote for Trump! they are all the same. And in November I hope majority American reject Barnie and Trump policy and elect a centrist like Biden.

Here is the fact .. Barnie is done in politics.. only thing he will be remembered in history is “ the man who helped Trump to be president” a small footnote in history book for Barnie. As far as progressive movement with AOC and Co .. we shall see if they can even be re-elected in November!

As for your post about bombing other country and Libya .. well moderate like me know every well .. we live in a real world and not in a fairy land.. if we don’t bomb them .. they will come to bomb us .. and Libya.. Obama administration didn’t go start bombing .. Muammar Gaddafi was killing his own people on the street because his people wanted freedom and change.. Obama administration went to Libya as an aid to support Libyan people.

 

[rjs330]

The Obama administration put children in cages as well, which Biden was a part of. And they deported many.

And they bombed many brown and black children. And in Libya they allowed a genocide of Africans.

But I imagine he talks better than Trump. Is that what is important? His talking worse means the media actually pays attention and pushes back.



He particularly limited the countries we were bombing and have been over the last few administrations, not just his.

Other administrations limited them to a degree, Trump took it further, no doubt. But the difference is with Trump the media highlighted it. Maybe if they had highlighted our bombing in all these countries there would be more focus on the problem from the beginning.


Obama care is not affordable. And the establishment wing of the Democrats will not even deviate from it in the midst of a pandemic. Trump is proposing to pay hospitals for those uninsured who need Covid treatment. Meanwhile establishment folks are talking about a new enrollment period so that folks who have no money can buy insurance with the money they don't have.



I do not fault politicians for meeting with their enemies. You don't get peace without it. Hence, I also don't fault Tulsi for meeting with Assad. Are you going to fault Obama for easing relations with Cuba or paying off a long-owed debt to Iran?

And don't forget Obama also gassed brown people too.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

And don't forget Obama also gassed brown people too.

Breaking news - Obama is not running for any office!

 

[tall73]

Breaking news - Obama is not running for any office!

Biden was in the Obama administration, and is running on Obama's record.

 

[tall73]

Here is the fact .. Barnie is done in politics.. only thing he will be remembered in history is “ the man who helped Trump to be president” a small footnote in history book for Barnie. As far as progressive movement with AOC and Co .. we shall see if they can even be re-elected in November!

We agree Bernie is done. And AOC has done little in helping her constituents, is being challenged considerably in the primary, and may be redistricted anyway.

And I indicated earlier I would not prefer Bernie, but rather someone like Yang or Gabbard.

As for your post about bombing other country and Libya .. well moderate like me know every well .. we live in a real world and not in a fairy land.. if we don’t bomb them .. they will come to bomb us ..

Most other countries are not stationed in 70 percent of the countries of the world, and still manage to be bombed about the same rate.

And how does selling weapons to known human rights abusers protect us from bombing?

And yes, we do live in the real world. And we have made that real world far more dangerous by propping up various rebel groups who eventually turn on us.

And we prop our currency up by the petro dollar and our association with OPEC so that we maintain the dollar as the reserve currency. But that also means we support known funders of terrorism, and help fight their wars such as in Yemen.

and Libya.. Obama administration didn’t go start bombing .. Muammar Gaddafi was killing his own people on the street because his people wanted freedom and change.. Obama administration went to Libya as an aid to support Libyan people.

Yeah, well in the real world Libya is now a failed state being fought over by terrorist factions, and with open slave markets. And we were not just helping people.

Hillary Emails Reveal True Motive for Libya Intervention

Newly disclosed emails show that Libya’s plan to create a gold-backed currency to compete with the euro and dollar was a motive for NATO’s intervention.

But historians of the 2011 NATO war in Libya will be sure to notice a few of the truly explosive confirmations contained in the new emails: admissions of rebel war crimes, special ops trainers inside Libya from nearly the start of protests, Al Qaeda embedded in the U.S. backed opposition, Western nations jockeying for access to Libyan oil, the nefarious origins of the absurd Viagra mass rape claim, and concern over Gaddafi’s gold and silver reserves threatening European currency.

The email identifies French President Nicholas Sarkozy as leading the attack on Libya with five specific purposes in mind: to obtain Libyan oil, ensure French influence in the region, increase Sarkozy’s reputation domestically, assert French military power, and to prevent Gaddafi’s influence in what is considered “Francophone Africa.”

Most astounding is the lengthy section delineating the huge threat that Gaddafi’s gold and silver reserves, estimated at “143 tons of gold, and a similar amount in silver,” posed to the French franc (CFA) circulating as a prime African currency.

And the rebel groups we supported appear to have committed racially motivated genocide against sub-saharan Africans in the country.