Are You of Israel?

[Scott Husted]

If you are not of Israel; you are not in covenant with YHWH.


(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

If you are not of Israel Yahshua wasn't commissioned for you.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

OH! OH! But WE'RE grafted IN! Grafted into what?

(CLV) Ro 11:17
Now if some of the boughs are broken out, yet you, being a wild olive, are grafted among them, and became joint participant of the root and fatness of the olive,

What is this olive tree?

(CLV) Jer 11:16
A flourishing olive tree, lovely with shapely fruit, Yahweh had called your name; But with the sound of a great din, He will ravage its leaves with fire, And its branches will be smashed.

(CLV) Jer 11:17
Yahweh of hosts Who planted you has decreed evil against you owing to the evil of the house of Israel and the house of Judah, which they have done for themselves to provoke Me to vexation by fuming incense to Baal.

How ironic, he was commissioned for them so that they might reject him.

 

[klutedavid]

If you are not of Israel; you are not in covenant with YHWH.


(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

If you are not of Israel Yahshua wasn't commissioned for you.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

OH! OH! But WE'RE grafted IN! Grafted into what?

(CLV) Ro 11:17
Now if some of the boughs are broken out, yet you, being a wild olive, are grafted among them, and became joint participant of the root and fatness of the olive,

What is this olive tree?

(CLV) Jer 11:16
A flourishing olive tree, lovely with shapely fruit, Yahweh had called your name; But with the sound of a great din, He will ravage its leaves with fire, And its branches will be smashed.

(CLV) Jer 11:17
Yahweh of hosts Who planted you has decreed evil against you owing to the evil of the house of Israel and the house of Judah, which they have done for themselves to provoke Me to vexation by fuming incense to Baal.

I was grafted into Jesus as are all Gentiles. I will never be a Jew or a citizen of Israel.

 

[HARK!]

Colosians 3:11
Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

(CLV) Lv 24:22
The same judgment shall you come to have; for the sojourner as well as the native shall it be: for I, Yahweh, am your Elohim.

(CLV) Num 15:16
One law and one custom, it shall come to be for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you.

(CLV) Num 15:15
As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you. It shall be an eonian (FOREVER) statute throughout your generations. Like you so shall the sojourner be before Yahweh.

 

[dqhall]

What exactly is Hebrew mythology?

Even if you flunked out of a university geology curriculum, you might have learned the world was not flooded to the sides of Mt. Ararat.

Even if you were not a zoology major, you might know a small boat could not carry all the species of the world?

Didn’t you know God is truth, or were you trusting an imperfect book?

 

[Dkh587]

Even if you flunked out of a university geology curriculum, you might have learned the world was not flooded to the sides of Mt. Ararat.

Even if you were not a zoology major, you might know a small boat could not carry all the species of the world?

Didn’t you know God is truth, or were you trusting an imperfect book?

Thanks for revealing your spirit.

 

[Dkh587]

SSshhhhhhsHH! If you distract them; they might forget who they are. As long as we know who we are; we don't behave as if we don't know any better.

Ephesians 2:1-22 TSR98

you were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once lived in the lusts of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, as also the rest.

But Elohim, who is rich in compassion, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Messiah – by favour you have been saved – and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenlies in Messiah יהושע, in order to show in the coming ages the exceeding riches of His favour in kindness toward us in Messiah יהושע.

For by favour you have been saved, through belief, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of Elohim, it is not by works, so that no one should boast.

For we are His workmanship, created in Messiah יהושע unto good works, which Elohim prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Therefore remember that you, once gentiles in the flesh, who are called ‘the uncircumcision’ by what is called ‘the circumcision’ made in the flesh by hands, that at that time you were without Messiah, excluded from the citizenship of Yisra’ĕl and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no expectation and without Elohim in the world.

But now in Messiah יהושע you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of the Messiah.

For He is our peace, who has made both one, and having broken down the partition of the barrier, having abolished in His flesh the enmity – Torah of the commands in dogma – so as to create in Himself one renewed man from the two, thus making peace, and to completely restore to favour both of them unto Elohim in one body through the stake, having destroyed the enmity by it.

And having come, He brought as Good News peace to you who were far off, and peace to those near.

Because through Him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the set-apart ones and members of the household of Elohim, having been built upon the foundation of the emissaries and prophets, יהושע Messiah Himself being chief corner-stone, in whom all the building, being joined together, grows into a set-apart Dwelling Place in יהוה, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of Elohim in the Spirit.

 

[HARK!]

Ephesians 2:1-22 TSR98

The smoking gun:


So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the set-apart ones and members of the household of Elohim, having been built upon the foundation of the emissaries and prophets, יהושע Messiah Himself being chief corner-stone, in whom all the building, being joined together, grows into a set-apart Dwelling Place in יהוה, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of Elohim in the Spirit.

 

[Lazarus Short]

I steeped myself for years in the history of racial Israel, and know that I am a Hebrew, though I don't know of what tribe. Knowing now that everyone is going to be grafted in, it seems less important...

 

[HARK!]

Knowing now that everyone is going to be grafted in

At least those who hear their master's voice.

 

[Dkh587]

Is the public not able to see who voted for which choice?

 

[HARK!]

Is the public not able to see who voted for which choice?

I have this box checked:

Allow the results to be viewed without voting

I don't think that there is an option to see who voted how.

 

[Adamina]

gospels said: ↑
God renamed Jacob and called His people Israel. All the other people He called foreigners, synonym for gentiles.

> I see there can only be two people- Israel and foreigners (gentiles). One is either a foreigner (gentile) OR Israel; can't be both at the same time.
> I think God considers Israel as 'clean' and foreigners (gentiles) as ‘unclean’. Born-again are Israel and 'clean' while NOT born-again are foreigners (gentiles) and 'unclean'.
> God asked Israel not to intermarry with foreigners (gentiles). God asked us not to unequally yoke with unbelievers (foreigners/gentiles).
> Wild olive shoots are called as foreigners (gentiles), not anymore those who are grafted-in.
> I don't think there can be both foreign (gentile) believers and foreign (gentile) unbelievers. All unbelievers are foreigners (gentiles) and all foreigners (gentiles) are unbelievers.
> I don't think Paul called anyone a foreigner (gentile) after they became born-again. (I think this is not completely understood as he meant it to be).

You post some good points and I would like to address those later if I may.

When God 'divorced' Israel they became "gentiles", until they were reconciled back to him. Paul uses the term Gentile for both Israelites and non-Israelites. You have to study closely to determine which is which. The term itself means: Gentile (as non Israelite); nations (the); tribes (the).

Agree. I have never had my ancestry done, but w/o the dna of the sons of Israel/Jacob to compare to, just best to be called a "Christian", as many have suffered under that name for 2000yrs now.

Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

Peter was chosen to preach to the Jews and his epistles are written primarily to the Jews coming to Christ:

1Pe 4:16
Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter.

Jesus came for the lost sheep of Israel, which were scattered amongst the Gentiles and remained that way until Jesus came to reconcile them to Himself, along with the Jews that wanted to follow.

Jesus said this to the Jewish rulers, not the common Jew or lost sheep of Israel:

Matthew 21:43 Therefore I am saying to ye, that the Kingdom of God be being taken-away from Ye, and it shall be being given to a Nation doing the Fruits of it.'

And what nation is that? The born again Christian Nation under Christ! AMEN!

In Acts, the Apostles asked Jesus this question. This is while Judah and Israel were still seperated. [topic for another thread]

Acts 1:6
The-ones indeed then coming together, asked Him saying, "Lord! if in to this time Thou are restoring the Kingdom to the Israel?"'

Now look at the kings in Reve 17 "w/o a kingdom". Ironically, there were 10 tribes of the northern kingdom of Israel. God is actually sending these Gentile kings against the "harlot"! and why are they hating her?[but that is also for a different topic].

Revelation 17:
12 And the ten horns which you saw are being ten kings, who any a-Kingdom not-yet received, but authority as kings one hour they are receiving/ with the wild beast,
16 And the ten Horns which thou saw and the Beast, These shall be hating the harlot,
and They shall be making Her desolate and naked, and the fleshes of Her they shall be eating and shall be burning Her in fire

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An interesting commentary on the 2 house of Israel and Judah [tho there are many others]:

The Two Houses Of Israel - Here a little, there a little - Prophecy

There is a general error among most Christians and a lot of Jews regarding the identity of the children of Israel.
Because of a general lack of historical understanding, most Christians believe that the Jews are ALL of the people chosen by God in the Old Testament.
Additionally, many Christians believe that they belong to an unrelated group known biblically as "Gentiles."
In this article, we are going to show from the Scriptures that both of these conclusions are founded on incorrect assumptions.

CONCLUSION
The prophesied regathering of all the tribes of Israel is a process, not a singular event. This process began after the resurrection of Messiah Yeshua, and has slowly but surely been taking place for nearly 2,000 years.
At this time, most Jews (the House of Judah) don't accept Yeshua as the Messiah.
Conversely, most Christians (the House of Israel) don't accept the necessity of keeping Torah (the Law)...................
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[HARK!]

Matthew 21:43 Therefore I am saying to ye, that the Kingdom of God be being taken-away from Ye, and it shall be being given to a Nation doing the Fruits of it.'

Israel.

 

[visionary]

I look forward to the day when the blinders come off. I expect it will be just as revolutionizing as the day when Israel was born again physically. Just think when Israel spiritually is born again.

Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

 

[HARK!]

I look forward to the day when the blinders come off. I expect it will be just as revolutionizing as the day when Israel was born again physically. Just think when Israel spiritually is born again.

Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

More and more people are waking up. The understanding is growing exponentially. These are exciting times.

 

[pasifika]

If you are not of Israel; you are not in covenant with YHWH.


(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

If you are not of Israel Yahshua wasn't commissioned for you.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

OH! OH! But WE'RE grafted IN! Grafted into what?

(CLV) Ro 11:17
Now if some of the boughs are broken out, yet you, being a wild olive, are grafted among them, and became joint participant of the root and fatness of the olive,

What is this olive tree?

(CLV) Jer 11:16
A flourishing olive tree, lovely with shapely fruit, Yahweh had called your name; But with the sound of a great din, He will ravage its leaves with fire, And its branches will be smashed.

(CLV) Jer 11:17
Yahweh of hosts Who planted you has decreed evil against you owing to the evil of the house of Israel and the house of Judah, which they have done for themselves to provoke Me to vexation by fuming incense to Baal.

Hello, Israel in the new covenant is not by physical (blood) but by Gods sovereign choice...

Romans 9:6-8...It is not though God’s word had failed. For Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children.

this is referring to the physical (blood) descendants of Israel or Abraham...

verse 8...in other words, it is Not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the Promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

Galatians 4:28...Now you brothers and sisters, like Isaac are children of the Promise...

 

[HARK!]

Romans 9:6-8...It is not though God’s word had failed. For Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children.

this is referring to the physical (blood) descendants of Israel or Abraham...

Good one!

 

[Der Alte]

Israel.

Please explain to us how the kingdom of God can be taken away from Israel and given to another nation but according to you back to Israel?

Matthew 21:23 And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority? ...
Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof....
Matthew 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.​

 

[HARK!]

Please explain to us how the kingdom of God can be taken away from Israel and given to another nation but according to you back to Israel?

It wasn't taken from Israel. It was taken from Judah.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It wasn't taken from Israel. It was taken from Judah.

It was taken from Judah and given to the other descendants of Israel, whom God still considered to be a "nation", in spite of their rather poor state. The new testament church grew among the descendants of the house of Israel, not in a (non-Israelite) Gentile nation.