Are You of Israel?

[Minister Monardo]

Yahshua called some who were the blood of Abraham, the children of Satan. Your hypothesis doesn't work.

And you think that anyone has followed yours? Depends on what part of the circle they landed on, as you keep going around and around.

 

[Minister Monardo]

Not saying that you did. Sorry you took it that way.

HARK! said: ↑
So are you saying that Yah's people can be of Satan?
Will we find Satanic people in his Kingdom?

This is what you addressed to me. I did not take it of course. I reject it outright.

 

[HARK!]

Thank You for making a nice distinction.
Genesis 17:13. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
So you see that circumcision cannot pertain to those who are born of the Spirit.
You are confirming what Paul taught all along, that it is not of circumcision.

It was never of the act.

(CLV) Gn 15:6
Now Abram believed on Elohim, and He reckoned it to him for righteousness

But out of belief comes action.

(CLV) Gn 26:5
inasmuch as your father Abraham hearkened to My voice and kept My charge, My instructions, My statutes and My laws.

(CLV) Ja 2:22
You are observing that faith worked together with his works, and by works was faith perfected.

(CLV) Ja 2:23
And fulfilled was the scripture which is saying, Now "Abraham believes God, and it is reckoned to him for righteousness," and he was called "the friend of God."

(CLV) Ja 2:24
You see that by works a man is being justified, and not by faith only.

 

[HARK!]

And you think that anyone has followed yours? Depends on what part of the circle they landed on, as you keep going around and around.

Patience....

It might take a few more cycles for some.

(CLV) Ec 1:9
What occurred once, it w shall occur again, And what w was done, it shall be done again. There is nothing at all new under the sun.


(CLV) Isa 46:10
Telling from the beginning, the hereafter, And from aforetime what has not yet been done, Saying, All My counsel, it shall be confirmed, And all My desire shall I do;

 

[dqhall]

If you are not of Israel; you are not in covenant with YHWH.

I am a citizen of the United States of America, not of Israel. Who are you?
You are not appointed as judge or jury. God has given the Gentiles many wonderful jobs, houses and people. These do not belong to Israel. Righteous instructions came from God, not Hebrew mythology.

 

[Minister Monardo]

It was never of the act.

(CLV) Gn 15:6
Now Abram believed on Elohim, and He reckoned it to him for righteousness

But out of belief comes action.

(CLV) Gn 26:5
inasmuch as your father Abraham hearkened to My voice and kept My charge, My instructions, My statutes and My laws.

(CLV) Ja 2:22
You are observing that faith worked together with his works, and by works was faith perfected.

(CLV) Ja 2:23
And fulfilled was the scripture which is saying, Now "Abraham believes God, and it is reckoned to him for righteousness," and he was called "the friend of God."

(CLV) Ja 2:24
You see that by works a man is being justified, and not by faith only.

I just clicked Agree. My question is why were you citing Paul having Timothy circumcised in Acts in support of non Jews grafting in by way of keeping Torah. Timothy's mother was Jewish, so it was appropriate for him. Although the reason given is because of the Jews in the cities they were going to preach in, not to keep Torah. He seems to have given in to concerns for men.
Acts 16:
Then he came to Derbe and Lystra. And behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a certain Jewish woman who believed, but his father was Greek. 2 He was well spoken of by the brethren who were at Lystra and Iconium. 3 Paul wanted to have him go on with him. And he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in that region, for they all knew that his father was Greek. 4 And as they went through the cities, they delivered to them the decrees to keep, which were determined by the apostles and elders at Jerusalem. 5 So the churches were strengthened in the faith, and increased in number daily.

The Macedonian Call

 

[1213]

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If you are not of Israel Yahshua wasn't commissioned for you.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
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Other translation uses word “sent”. I think that gives the right meaning of what Jesus was saying.

But he answered, "I wasn't sent to anyone but the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Mt 15:24

Jesus was sent for the house of Israel. And then Jesus sent his disciples to other nations, the message is meant for all nations.

…As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.
John 20:21

Therefore go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I commanded you. Behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."
Mat. 28:19-20

Most assuredly I tell you, he who receives whomever I send, receives me; and he who receives me, receives him who sent me."
John 13:20

 

[HARK!]

I am a citizen of the United States of America, not of Israel.

I'm sorry to hear that you put your trust in man over YHWH.

Who are you?

A humble servant.

You are not appointed as judge or jury.

Nope. Maybe someday.

God has given the Gentiles many wonderful jobs, houses and people.

I store up my treasures in heaven.

These do not belong to Israel.

It's OK your treasure is safe from Israel. Israel doesn't pursue worldly treasure. Do you have moth balls?

Righteous instructions came from God, not Hebrew mythology.

What exactly is Hebrew mythology?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

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[HARK!]

Other translation uses word “sent”. I think that gives the right meaning of what Jesus was saying.

But he answered, "I wasn't sent to anyone but the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Mt 15:24

Jesus was sent for the house of Israel. And then Jesus sent his disciples to other nations, the message is meant for all nations.

…As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.
John 20:21

Therefore go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I commanded you. Behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."
Mat. 28:19-20

Most assuredly I tell you, he who receives whomever I send, receives me; and he who receives me, receives him who sent me."
John 13:20

Yes, all are invited to become Israel.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

If you are not of Israel; you are not in covenant with YHWH.


(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

If you are not of Israel Yahshua wasn't commissioned for you.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

OH! OH! But WE'RE grafted IN! Grafted into what?

(CLV) Ro 11:17
Now if some of the boughs are broken out, yet you, being a wild olive, are grafted among them, and became joint participant of the root and fatness of the olive,

What is this olive tree?

(CLV) Jer 11:16
A flourishing olive tree, lovely with shapely fruit, Yahweh had called your name; But with the sound of a great din, He will ravage its leaves with fire, And its branches will be smashed.

(CLV) Jer 11:17
Yahweh of hosts Who planted you has decreed evil against you owing to the evil of the house of Israel and the house of Judah, which they have done for themselves to provoke Me to vexation by fuming incense to Baal.

You are either a child of satan or an adopted child of God, there is nothing else. And since we are all born in sin we are all children of satan and depend of God's mercy to adapt us. There is absolutely nothing we can do about this, we are like the lame man in John 5 who wants to go to the pool of healing but can't even move - that is exactly of our state. And then Jesus comes on the scene and sees His only sheep there, this lame man, and goes towards His sheep and heals him. Jesus knows His flock, for it was given to Him by His Father. Let's not be mistaken here, no one is born as Jesus's sheep and there is nothing you can do to be one, and unless the Holy Spirit reveals this to you this information, you don't even know or understand that you have to be adapted by God.

As I said, we are born in sin and we all have a debt towards God which only keeps increasing every time we sin, and there's nothing we can do to decrease it nor stop it from growing further, only Christ who is the perfect scarification Lamb for our sins can wipe out this debt.

Therefore Christian is a man who no longer has a debt towards God, because Jesus paid for it all with His precious blood.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Jesus was sent for the house of Israel. And then Jesus sent his disciples to other nations, the message is meant for all nations.

So, contrary to all scriptural accounts Jesus and the disciples disobeyed Gods commands?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Give me a break...

Ok, I have some German as well.

 

[Dkh587]

Wow, 14 votes for YES, 0 votes for no.

hmm...

kinda weird, considering the popular viewpoint here is “the laws of God were for Israel only!”

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Wow, 14 votes for YES, 0 votes for no.

hmm...

kinda weird, considering the popular viewpoint here is “the laws of God were for Israel only!”

Hope we all understand that Christians are no longer under the law, but under grace. The law no longer pronounces judgement or condemnation on us, but we are still meant to live it. Christ has kept the law, and He lived the law. He has not comm to abolish it.

It is dangerous to think that Christians have nothing to do the law, because we are under grace. The Christian is a man who of necessity must be concerned about God's law. We are not under the law, but we are still meant to keep it. The righteousness of the law is meant to be fulfilled in us.

How? That's exactly it. We can't but the Spirit can. The Spirit will fill us of righteousness, because there's nothing we can do about it, we don't even know how to hunger after righteousness unless the Spirit makes us to hunger. Because if it was after our sin in flesh, we wouldn't even pray, the Spirit even reminds us of that. We don't even know we need the Spirit unless it is revealed to us by God. Live the Sermon of the Mount. How? Only the Spirit can shape you, for you wouldn't even know you need to be shaped.

 

[HARK!]

Wow, 14 votes for YES, 0 votes for no.

hmm...

kinda weird, considering the popular viewpoint here is “the laws of God were for Israel only!”

SSshhhhhhsHH! If you distract them; they might forget who they are. As long as we know who we are; we don't behave as if we don't know any better.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

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The righteousness of the law is meant to be fulfilled in us.

That says it all.

 

[HARK!]

That says it all.

(CLV) Ro 8:3
For what was impossible to the law, in which it was infirm through the flesh, did God, -sending His own Son in the likeness of sin's flesh and concerning sin, He condemns sin in the flesh,

(CLV) Ro 8:4
that the just requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who are not walking in accord with flesh, but in accord with spirit.

(CLV) Ro 8:5
For those who are in accord with flesh are disposed to that which is of the flesh, yet those who are in accord with spirit to that which is of the spirit.

 

[Willing-heart]

Right from the very beginning, there has always been two Israel that descended from Jacob – One being a physical descendant, and the other, a spiritual descendant.

The Only Way.

 

[Paul4JC]

Colosians 3:11
Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.