THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

[FineLinen]

To me, treating the lake of fire as a purification ritual after Jesus specifically said not to go there gives terrible echoes of Genesis 3:1 / Leviticus 18:21.

You poor dear lady: The Fire of God is what He is. That Fire changes & transforms absolutely every thing it touches. The theion & theioo of the Lake of all lakes radiates with Him (Theos) with exactly the same net result:

Change & transformation

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

You poor dear lady: The Fire of God is what He is. That Fire changes & transforms absolutely every thing it touches. The theion & theioo of the Lake of all lakes radiates with Him (Theos) with exactly the same net result:

Change & transformation

It’s sad now we both feel sad for the other.

Even if you hope for eternal reconciliation you don’t need to try to explain how.

Especially not like that. Not to line people up to enter a place you can’t promise they’re able to leave. It’s not your promise to make.

 

[FineLinen]

It’s sad now we both feel sad for the other.

Even if you hope for eternal reconciliation you don’t need to try to explain how.

Especially not like that. Not to line people up to enter a place you can’t promise they’re able to leave. It’s not your promise to make.

Dear Lady: I do not feel sad for you! After a few moons of experience in Him, I am beginning to realize He dwells in the musterion realms of disclosure. Only He can open blind eyes & deaf ears.

Pharmakeia is closely aligned with the koine therapeuó

The leaves of the Tree of Life are for the healing of the nations.

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

Dear Lady: I do not feel sad for you! After a few moons of experience in Him, I am beginning to realize He dwells in the musterion realms of disclosure. Only He can open blind eyes & deaf ears.

Pharmakeia is closed aligned with the koine therapeuó

The leaves of the Tree of Life are for the healing of the nations.

You’re right that only he can. Sorcery relies on our own wisdom.

What leaves will you use?

 

[FineLinen]

You’re right that only he can.

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits.

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned. (Hebrews 6:1-8, NKJV)

 

[JacksBratt]

I have absolute confidence in the God who raises the dead. I also realize that the fallen children of Adam are in great need of reconciliation with the Father, as He lifts each & every one on His time table by His love & grace into at-one-ment.

You have made Your belief abundantly clear.

You also are terrible at answering a simple question. But, great at deflecting.

Step 1/ Look at my post.

Step 2/ See my question..

Step 3/ Indicate where, in the quote of Aiden Wilson Tozer... Where he said that God will grant salvation to those too intelligent, too arrogant, too prideful or too narcissistic to accept it.

 

[JacksBratt]

So, Jesus was just kidding when He said to go into all the world and preach he "good news" (gospel)..


Cause.. people die doing it and are tortured, and suffer other painful results for preaching and spreading the gospel..

But.. According to you.. we are all going to be saved anyway..

These poor people.. what a waste of time effort and lives.

 

[Lazarus Short]

To me, treating the lake of fire as a purification ritual after Jesus specifically said not to go there gives terrible echoes of Genesis 3:1 / Leviticus 18:21.

Why did Jesus the Christ say not to go there? Not because it was an eternal hell, but because He wanted us to take the high road and become Overcomers. The low road, OTOH, is to be cast into the LoF for involuntary purification. I did not fully understand it until I did an intense word study on "fire" and related words. It is now very clear to me that God's plan for us is purification, and He calls Himself a Refiner (sometimes, Soap) and describes our purification in terms of refining gold and silver away from impurities - dross, such as lead, tin and iron. The end result is the same, but it is far better to experience purification before death than after...

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

Why did Jesus the Christ say not to go there? Not because it was an eternal hell, but because He wanted us to take the high road and become Overcomers. The low road, OTOH, is to be cast into the LoF for involuntary purification. I did not fully understand it until I did an intense word study on "fire" and related words. It is now very clear to me that God's plan for us is purification, and He calls Himself a Refiner (sometimes, Soap) and describes our purification in terms of refining gold and silver away from impurities - dross, such as lead, tin and iron. The end result is the same, but it is far better to experience purification before death than after...

In that case, what led you to the idea that the purification is for the individual members rather than for the body?

1 Corinthians 12:12-27 / 1 Corinthians 15:20-23

I’ll say again that I don’t know what will happen or how, but that it’s fair to say why your interpretation could be lacking and to test it.

If there is one body of Christ then wouldn’t there also be one body of Adam? In that the word “adam” literally means human and implies human of the earth, there was one adam created, one breath given, and every individual is not its own tree but a branch of the adam.

So if being “in adam” and not “in Christ” means being of the perishable earth, what of the adamic would survive this purification and come out the other side?

 

[Lazarus Short]

In that case, what led you to the idea that the purification is for the individual members rather than for the body?

1 Corinthians 12:12-27 / 1 Corinthians 15:20-23

I’ll say again that I don’t know what will happen or how, but that it’s fair to say why your interpretation could be lacking and to test it.

If there is one body of Christ then wouldn’t there also be one body of Adam? In that the word “adam” literally means human and implies human of the earth, there was one adam created, one breath given, and every individual is not its own tree but a branch of the adam.

So if being “in adam” and not “in Christ” means being of the perishable earth, what of the adamic would survive this purification and come out the other side?

Jesus the Christ gave us sufficient hints that ALL would be saved, such as parables of a lost sheep, a lost coin and so on. After feeding the multitude, He had His disciples go and pick up the crumbs so that nothing would be lost. Crumbs are usually left for the birds and mice, so He was making a point: All will be saved, not just the main body.

Your question about the individual tree and the branch reminds me of an aspen grove, appearing to be individual trees above the grass, but all connected below the grass - a clone covering acres.

Hope this helps...

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

Jesus the Christ gave us sufficient hints that ALL would be saved, such as parables of a lost sheep, a lost coin and so on. After feeding the multitude, He had His disciples go and pick up the crumbs so that nothing would be lost. Crumbs are usually left for the birds and mice, so He was making a point: All will be saved, not just the main body.

Your question about the individual tree and the branch reminds me of an aspen grove, appearing to be individual trees above the grass, but all connected below the grass - a clone covering acres.

Hope this helps...

If the Body of Christ is what you call the “main body” what is the (second? other?) non-main body?

One single crumb of the bread of life is enough to bring one into the body of Christ.

 

[Lazarus Short]

If the Body of Christ is what you call the “main body” what is the (second? other?) non-main body?

One single crumb of the bread of life is enough to bring one into the body of Christ.

I was thinking of it this way - the "main body" was the fishes and loaves of bread that the multitude ate, representing the mass of humankind, and the crumbs (to me) are the stragglers of it. Jesus was demonstrating that none would be lost.

 

[FineLinen]

So, Jesus was just kidding when He said to go into all the world and preach he "good news" (gospel)..


Cause.. people die doing it and are tortured, and suffer other painful results for preaching and spreading the gospel..

But.. According to you.. we are all going to be saved anyway..

These poor people.. what a waste of time effort and lives.

At the bottom of this post is a brother who we know. He is a believer in the glorious message of universal reconciliation. If you would like his e-mail to express your thoughts, it can be arranged. You then can tell him why the reach of Jesus Christ is a waste of time.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

At the bottom of this post is a brother who we know. He is a believer in the glorious message of universal reconciliation. If you would like his e-mail to express your thoughts, it can be arranged. You then can tell him why the reach of Jesus Christ is a waste of time.

Dear Fine, why are you pointing people to the teachings of men that lead people away from God instead of to the Word of God where JESUS is found? I do not mind you posting something like this once on a thread but you have already posted this same nonsense over and over in this same thread. May I ask in Christian love that you refrain from spamming this thread with the same content over and over? Thanks for your understanding. We should be pointing people to the Word of God. It is only in the Word that JESUS is found. Do you remember we posted these back on page 2? You have continued posting the same things. Time to focus on the scriptures as it is the Word of God that is the living waters of life.

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

I was thinking of it this way - the "main body" was the fishes and loaves of bread that the multitude ate, representing the mass of humankind, and the crumbs (to me) are the stragglers of it. Jesus was demonstrating that none would be lost.

see:

I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd. (John 10:14-16, NKJV)

That’s where I believe you’re coming from? I really do think it would be wonderful if everyone were to become one of the sheep and everything would be entirely at peace. I won’t preach purification by the lake of fire to get to that point though, and I don’t think you need to either.

Because if that’s not true, it’s quite genuinely wrong.

 

[Lazarus Short]

see:

I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd. (John 10:14-16, NKJV)

That’s where I believe you’re coming from? I really do think it would be wonderful if everyone were to become one of the sheep and everything would be entirely at peace. I won’t preach purification by the lake of fire to get to that point though, and I don’t think you need to either.

Because if that’s not true, it’s quite genuinely wrong.

Well, this ex-damnationist finds the salvation of all to be true, and it becomes more and more clear to me as time goes on. I would preach purification by the LoF, for I find it to be a thread woven all through the text of the Scriptures. God calls Himself a Refiner, and over and over speaks of refining men to produce the gold and silver.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

see:

I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd. (John 10:14-16, NKJV)

That’s where I believe you’re coming from? I really do think it would be wonderful if everyone were to become one of the sheep and everything would be entirely at peace. I won’t preach purification by the lake of fire to get to that point though, and I don’t think you need to either.

Because if that’s not true, it’s quite genuinely wrong.

It would be nice Lily but the trouble is according to the scriptures JESUS tells has there will be many false prophets (messengers) and teachers seeking to deceive if possible God's very elect *MATTHEW 24:24 and JESUS did not come to send peace but a sword (the Word) *MATTHEW 10:34; EPHESIANS 6:17. This is why we are told in the scriptures to test the Spirits to see if they are of God or not. Universalism is a doctrine that lead people away from God to the gambling lady of second chances for which there is no second chance and leads those who follow her to think they can live like the devil today because there is always a second chance tomorrow when there is no more second chances at the 2nd coming when JESUS proclaims; He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still and, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. They cry peace and safety when there is no peace but sudden destruction *1 THESSALONIANS 5:1-3; 2 THESSALONIANS 1:6-10. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teaching of men that lead us away from God and his Word. God's sheep are only those who hear his voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who are not His Sheep do not hear and do not follow *JOHN 10:26-27

God bless sis

 

[FineLinen]

Dear Fine, why are you pointing people to the teachings of men that lead people away from God instead of to the Word of God where JESUS is found?

Dear Lover: I intend on pointing every individual on whom my shadow falls to the Christ the Saviour of the whole broken children of Adam. In the red letters & the black letters of Canon are enunciations that require the anointing of the Spirit of the Lord to grasp "How can these things be?"

There are men who have become the home of the written words of the Saviour of Reconciliation that I will be continuing to present. Ignore them if you will.

Not merely saved: reconciled!

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

Well, this ex-damnationist finds the salvation of all to be true, and it becomes more and more clear to me as time goes on. I would preach purification by the LoF, for I find it to be a thread woven all through the text of the Scriptures. God calls Himself a Refiner, and over and over speaks of refining men to produce the gold and silver.

I don’t really have any -isms to repent from because even when I was doing terrible things I thought I was too good to call any of them -isms but I will say that there came a point where I realised that 1. Gods kingdom deserved to exist and 1a. Even if I couldn’t be part of it and in that frame of mind I actually did face the complete annihilation of my self and still agreed with it as being right.

So maybe I just don’t really see it as terrible, and that I would actually wonder if you can make disciples without telling them something like that.