THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

[LoveGodsWord]

Dear Shrewd: Some wascally wascal from another board (not this glorious one of C.F.) told me not to try and teach a pig to sing. Why? You will waste your time and annoy the pig.

I simply love the theme of the Restitution of all things and consider every moment spent speaking of our glorious Father satisfying with a capital S.

There is a Song that one cannot learn, it must be birthed in you by the God of ephathatha. One cannot choose to join this Choir, you must be predestined by Him!

If our eyes are not open we cannot see the Garden of Eden or the paradise of God. Sin closes our eyes and makes us blind but seeking Jesus can open the blind eyes to see and the deaf to hear. Heavenly father tells us as the heavens are higher than the earth so are my ways from your ways and so are my thoughts from your thoughts. Only God knows our heart from within and without him it is desperately wicked. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. The eyes can see and the ears hear only as the Spirit of God opens them. Ask and it shall be given you seek and you shall find. If any man hear his voice, knock and the door shall be opened unto you. There is only life in the living Word. These are his Words and not my own. Freely I give because freely I have received. Your Words are not directed towards me but to the one who the Word belongs. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Who can hear the Spirit when when one closes their eyes and ears and hardens their own heart when JESUS is knocking at the door?

 

[FineLinen]

“As far as I am concerned, anyone who hopes for the universal reconciliation of all creatures with God must already believe that this would be the best possible ending to the Christian story; and such a person has then no excuse for imagining that God could bring any but the best possible ending to pass without thereby being in some sense a failed creator.” - David Bentley Hart-

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So a fallen man by his foolish and darkened mind, a lost ass who knows not even his master's crib, can by his enslaved will overcome the power of God, the work of the cross?? I suggest not, my friend, not by a long shot

Hearing your not hearing dear friend. Do you know the scriptures in the post you were quoting from and what do you think they mean? You did not answer the question so I guess not. They mean we are not robots. God has given mankind freewill to choose to believe and follow God's Word or not to believe and follow his Word. For many are called, but few are chosen and wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to DESTRUCTION, and many there be which go in thereat Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few there be that find it. JESUS is pleading with us everyday through his love and his Spirit drawing us to him in love patiently waiting for us to turn to him. It is up to us to open the door to let him in. If we close the door there is no way for JESUS to reach us. A separation of our own making or free choice.

What if God hardened hearts that His glory may be made manifest, that He may have mercy upon all?

According to the scriptures sometimes God hardens hearts to save the many and other times we harden our own hearts not to hear and see Gods calling leaving JESUS outside knocking on the door of our hearts pleading with us to let him in. It is up to us to open the door of the heart and invite him in before he can sup with us and us with him. JESUS does not force is to follow him but with a still small voice says this is the way walk ye in it. Those who choose not to hear will not follow because they are not His sheep and have chosen not to hear the voice of the good shepard who loves the sheep.

And if those wayward churches refuse to buy gold refined in the fire, then what? Into the lake of fire and brimstone they may go, their portion with the reprobates, the cowards, the liars, the unbelievers, and those hardworking believers who may have been surprised to learn they never knew Jesus. And let's not forget those disciples who called a brother a fool harshly in their hearts

As posted earlier God is not willing that anyone should be lost and perish but that all should come to change their minds and be saved. He stand at the door and knocks everyday pleading with those who do not know him to turn away from their sins. God is a God of love and mercy but he is also a God of justice and judgement. If this was not true there would be no need for God to send his only son to shed his blood for the sins of the world to pay for the wages of sin which is death where we see the fullness of him who loves us and where God's love is revealed for fallen man.

For those who are "hard working believers" JESUS promises to never forsake and never leave and says behold I am with you even unto the end of the world. They are His Sheep and they hear His Voice (the Word) and they follow him.

Those who do not hear and do not follow are not God's Sheep. If we fall away from the faith after we receive a knowledge of the truth in order to stay in known unrepentant sin there remians no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come.

What is the purpose of this Gehenna fire, the lake of fire? Does it have to be a mass human bbq without hope of respite?

God's judgement and justice to his enemies and those who reject the gift of God's dear son as it is written that if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Do you know these scriptures dear friend? If so what do you think they mean?

 

[FineLinen]

Our dear friend Love: this is a wonderful beware you have brought to our eyes. We are very grateful.

The Magnitude of Father's Redemption

“Modern theology has so long circumvented our thinking and teaching to the biased idea that God will save only part of His creation and so limited His redemptive powers that we have forgotten that with God all things are possible and shall be wrought out in due time. God has a definite schedule for saving His creatures, and there is nothing that can withstand His purpose.

Sin was allowed for wise ends, and only after these have been secured will sin cease to exist. It is all a part of God’s purpose of the ages and redemption’s glory will only shine out the more after the plan’s execution. God never allows sin to go beyond His transforming power. God always has everything under perfect control.” -Ray Prinzing-

He has the whole world in His hands

“ ‘And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be Saviour of the world.” (1 John 4.14.)

‘Who will have ALL MEN to be saved, and to come into a knowledge of the truth’ 1Tim. 2:4.

"This is not a pitting of man’s will against the will of God as some try to teach, with man’s will able to resist and hold out until God cannot change him, but must throw him into some eternal cesspool to be tormented.

Nay, for we read that ‘He is working out all things after the counsel of His own will,’ and man cannot disannul that which HE has willed. It is God’s will that all shall come to Christ. He is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world.

Why then shall we be so foolish as to dispute the immutability of His truth?” -Ray Prinzing-

 

[mmksparbud]

Some years ago, I was faced with a trilemma: which was true, damnation, annihilation or universal reconciliation? I had been told there was evidence for each, and I found that to be true. With that said, I found the evidence for annihilation be be scant, and the evidence for damnation was mostly founded on bad translation. I believe it is so clumsy and obvious that a child could see it. Lies, damned lies and bad translation...

The Plan of YHWH to save all, and the cosmos with the all, is fairly obvious when you do away with the four words rendered in so many Bible versions as "hell," but do not mean any such thing.

Funny---I did the same thing. I came away with annihilation---some for damnation---none for universalism for the same reasons you quoted!! In fact---The dilemma was only 2---damnation or annihilation., I didn't know about universalism at first, it did not even cross my mind. When I read about it, I studied my bible and came up with annihilation still and zero for uni. In order to believe that, I'd first have to do away with most of the bible! Not willing to ignore most of the bible, so no way could I go with it. I have found that in researching in Greek---it was even worse for uni. And in reading the debates about it, discovered that most uni's interpretation of it to be in gross error. Bottom line---Jesus need never had died for uni to be correct. As much as they say that isn't true---that is exactly what it does and their favorite---used to be ---person to quote--thought the same thing.

Manning: The number one objection is that this message promotes universalism. So I want to make this abundantly, luminously clear: I’m not a universalist. Universalism is a heresy that makes the death and resurrection of Christ irrelevant. The key is that you stretch your mind and stretch your heart to accommodate God’s all embracing love in Jesus Christ.
Brennan Manning: Outrageous Grace | George Fox Journal Fall 2006

They did nothing but quote this guy---apparently without realizing that He was not a Universalist! Loving God, knowing Him as being all that is love---does not take away from the fact that He also has justice and if one does not, will not repent---then the inevitable will happen--- they are left witho90ut any protection from His devouring flame of love and die the 2nd death.

Every knee will bow to Jesus, including Satan---even He will see that His sentence of annihilation is fair. Even criminals, when faced with the facts of their case, have testified that they are deserving of the death penalty. When all the facts are in, the guilty will have to acknowledge the fact that they do deserve to die, for they know, they would continue in sin, if given the opportunity. And the wicked do show that---for they still, after their resurrection, try to take over the city and have by force, what they could have had for the asking.

Rev_20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

No repentance here, therefore, no love towards God and God engulfs them in His loving arms--which is His fire--but for them the 2nd death. They will not be awakened again. God will miss them for all eternity---but He can not call them back--for they refuse to repent. Again---God does not force.

 

[FineLinen]

Funny---I did the same thing. I came away with annihilation---some for damnation---none for universalism for the same reasons you quoted!! In fact---The dilemma was only 2---damnation or annihilation., I didn't know about universalism at first, it did not even cross my mind. When I read about it, I studied my bible and came up with annihilation still and zero for uni. In order to believe that, I'd first have to do away with most of the bible! Not willing to ignore most of the bible, so no way could I go with it. I have found that in researching in Greek---it was even worse for uni. And in reading the debates about it, discovered that most uni's interpretation of it to be in gross error. Bottom line---Jesus need never had died for unji to be correct. As much as they say that isn't true---that is exactly what it does and their favorite---used to be ---person to quote--thought the same thing.

Manning: The number one objection is that this message promotes universalism. So I want to make this abundantly, luminously clear: I’m not a universalist. Universalism is a heresy that makes the death and resurrection of Christ irrelevant. The key is that you stretch your mind and stretch your heart to accommodate God’s all embracing love in Jesus Christ.
Brennan Manning: Outrageous Grace | George Fox Journal Fall 2006

They did nothing but quote this guy---apparently without realizing that He was not a Universalist! Loving God, knowing Him as being all that is love---does not take away from the fact that He also has justice and if one does not, will not repent---then the inevitable will happen--- they are left witho90ut any protection from His devouring flame of love and die the 2nd death.

Every knee will bow to Jesus, including Satan---even He will see that His sentence of annihilation is fair. Even criminals, when faced with the facts of their case, have testified that they are deserving of the death penalty. When all the facts are in, the guilty will have to acknowledge the fact that they do deserve to die, for they know, they would continue in sin, if given the opportunity. And the wicked do show that---for they still, after their resurrection, try to take over the city and have by force, what they could have had for the asking.

Rev_20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

No repentance here, therefore, no love towards God and God engulfs them in His loving arms--which is His fire--but for them the 2nd death. They will not be awakened again. God will miss them for all eternity---but He can not call them back--for they refuse to repent. Again---God does not force.

Good bye ta pante!

God IS the Author & Finisher of the all.

Unfortunately, He is the Source, He is the Guide, but alas He is not the Goal?

Theos IS the Source, Guide & Goal of ta pante.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Some years ago, I was faced with a trilemma: which was true, damnation, annihilation or universal reconciliation? I had been told there was evidence for each, and I found that to be true. With that said, I found the evidence for annihilation be be scant, and the evidence for damnation was mostly founded on bad translation. I believe it is so clumsy and obvious that a child could see it. Lies, damned lies and bad translation... The Plan of YHWH to save all, and the cosmos with the all, is fairly obvious when you do away with the four words rendered in so many Bible versions as "hell," but do not mean any such thing.

There is only truth in the living Word of God. You will not find God's truth in Brennan Manning. This is the the doctrine of devils promising you are free to go and live like the devil today beause there is a second chance for you tomorrow. There is no second chance tommorrow dear friend. When JESUS returns judgement is over in heaven and His reward is with him *REVELATION 22:12 and God's love and mercy is forever closed to those who have rejected the gift of God's dear son. While our God is a God of love and mercy he is also a God of justice and judgement. If there was no penalty for sin God would not have had to send his only begotten son to die for the sins of the whole world so that the world coud be reconciled to God. The wages is sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing and choose to live in known unrepentant sin. There is no second chances at the second coming. At this time his reward is with him and it is too late when that announcement is made "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be".

God bless

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

“As far as I am concerned, anyone who hopes for the universal reconciliation of all creatures with God must already believe that this would be the best possible ending to the Christian story; and such a person has then no excuse for imagining that God could bring any but the best possible ending to pass without thereby being in some sense a failed creator.” - David Bentley Hart-

This comes dangerously close to 2 Timothy 4:3-4 in that no matter what the outcome of God’s judgement, he has chosen to structure his thoughts as “if I want x, I hope that y is right, therefore if God doesn’t do y, the failure is not in my own understanding.”

 

[LoveGodsWord]

How come the door in the story of the ten virgins was never reopened?

Good post ABC. JESUS says to the foolish virgins that had no oil and lost their way the result was the door was shut and they were left out of the kingdom with JESUS saying; Truly I say to you, I know you not *MATTHEW 25:1-12. This is what JESUS also says to those who say Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? Then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity *MATTHEW 7:21-23. Then we also have at the second coming those who chose not to follow God through his Word; Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels *MATTHEW 25:31-41. There is no second chances at the 2nd coming. He is coming as a theif in the night and his reward is with him. We cannot live like the devil today thinking we have second chances tomorrow when there is none.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Dear ABC: In My Father's House are many dwelling places. The sheep are His, the goats are His, the virgins are His.

Our God is the God of manifold. Take limited and place "un" before it and the journey begins into Him.

The only problem dear Fine is JESUS shuts the door to the foolish virgins and tells them that he does not know them and to the goats JESUS says Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. No second chances at the second coming dear friend.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Death, yeah. As in death. Not eternal life in hell. Eternal life anywhere other than as a gift of God is contrary to Scripture.

How is ROMANS 6:23 contrary to scripture? The wages of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing dispite to the Spirit of Grace *HEBREWS 10:26-31.

 

[FineLinen]

This comes dangerously close to 2 Timothy 4:3-4 in that no matter what the outcome of God’s judgement, he has chosen to structure his thoughts as “if I want x, I hope that y is right, therefore if God doesn’t do y, the failure is not in my own understanding.”

I wonder if the big silly was basing his dangerous outcome upon the following? Nah!

“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the mystery of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it-- the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him.

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

I wonder if the big silly was basing his dangerous outcome upon the following? Nah!

“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the mystery of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it-- the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him.

I can say with certainty that he wasn’t basing it on what you quoted, but basing it on his interpretation of what you quoted, and that wisdom would place truth over interpretation in the understanding that Jesus is literally King and that you can’t philosophise the Creator into conforming to your image of him, the most you can do is pray to truly see him and know that if at any point your hope and his judgement are in conflict, you don’t cast aspersions on the latter.

Which is equally applicable to my own interpretations and I pray he gives me humility and grace no matter what else comes my way.

 

[Jay Sea]

THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM?

Hi all I have noticed in this forum that there is a handful of people going around and consistently promoting a dangerous false teaching called “Universalism” which is based on twisting and cherry picking the scriptures out of context to try and teach that God does not hold anyone accountable for sin and that all people will be eventually saved. I will post why I believe this to be a false teaching that is not biblical shortly.

Let’s first start with a definition of what the concept of Christian Universalism is.

Christian universalism refers to the idea that every human will be saved in a religious or spiritual sense. This specific idea being called universal reconciliation. (Source: wiki)

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? IF UNIVERSALISM IS TRUE DOES THAT MEAN GOD IS LYING WHEN HE SAYS NOT EVERYONE WILL BE SAVED WHO CALL ME LORD LORD AND MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW WILL BE CHOSEN? I believe the answer to this is simple. Of course not.

What do the teachings of universalism (everyone will be saved no matter what they do) means to you? For me I do not believe in the Catholic teaching of eternal burning Hell this is not biblical but neither is the false teaching that all people will be saved regardless of sin.

For me this is a false teaching that is not biblical based on twisted scripture and a sign of the last days before JESUS returns. We are already seeing plagues and pestilence, wars and rumours of wars, famine like never before in quick succession. Today there are over 40,000 different form of Christianity most representing false teachings and false messengers (prophets) which are another sign of the end times *MATTHEW 24:24.

I believe it is time to get our houses in order and seek the Lord while he may be found.

For me Universalism is a false teaching as God’s salvation is conditional which we will look at shortly and a fulfillment of the scriptures…

2 TIMOTHY 4:3-4 [3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears. [4], And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned to fables.

1 THESSALONIANS 5:2-3 [2], For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. [3], For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction comes on them, as travail on a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

I will show why I believe the scrpitures do not teach everyone will be saved regardless of sin (Universalism) in the coming posts from the scriptures alone adding as little comments as possible and let the scriptures do the talking.

Friendly discussion please

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word

Catholic doctrine relies on two source scripture and tradition.
In Catholic teaching on baptism. there is a section on the possibility of those unbaptised being saved, in that there is the normal baptism with water and baptism by by desire: where one wishes to be baptised but through circumstances is not able to be baptised and I think if someone unbaptised dies for the faith. Some priests taught that someone who would have been baptised had he had more time to be informed in the faith would also be included as baptised.
Does this come outside your definition.

in love
Jay

 

[Lazarus Short]

There is only truth in the living Word of God. You will not find God's truth in Brennan Manning. This is the the doctrine of devils promising you are free to go and live like the devil today beause there is a second chance for you tomorrow. There is no second chance tommorrow dear friend. When JESUS returns judgement is over in heaven and His reward is with him *REVELATION 22:12 and God's love and mercy is forever closed to those who have rejected the gift of God's dear son. While our God is a God of love and mercy he is also a God of justice and judgement. If there was no penalty for sin God would not have had to send his only begotten son to die for the sins of the whole world so that the world coud be reconciled to God. The wages is sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing and choose to live in known unrepentant sin. There is no second chances at the second coming. At this time his reward is with him and it is too late when that announcement is made "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be".

God bless

I barely know who Brennan Manning is. As for the rest, the wages of sin are death, not ECT, and YHWH's plan is to save us from that, not from fictional "Hellfire." I have tracked the word and the concept back to their pagan roots, and no longer subscribe to belief in a place called "Hell." Please be aware that most of the support for "hell" is bad translation ("Hell" is a word not found in the Greek, the Hebrew or the Aramaic languages.), fiction (Dante, Milton, etc.) and pop culture references. Rubbish.

 

[Lazarus Short]

Funny---I did the same thing. I came away with annihilation---some for damnation---none for universalism for the same reasons you quoted!! In fact---The dilemma was only 2---damnation or annihilation., I didn't know about universalism at first, it did not even cross my mind. When I read about it, I studied my bible and came up with annihilation still and zero for uni. In order to believe that, I'd first have to do away with most of the bible! Not willing to ignore most of the bible, so no way could I go with it. I have found that in researching in Greek---it was even worse for uni. And in reading the debates about it, discovered that most uni's interpretation of it to be in gross error. Bottom line---Jesus need never had died for unji to be correct. As much as they say that isn't true---that is exactly what it does and their favorite---used to be ---person to quote--thought the same thing.

Manning: The number one objection is that this message promotes universalism. So I want to make this abundantly, luminously clear: I’m not a universalist. Universalism is a heresy that makes the death and resurrection of Christ irrelevant. The key is that you stretch your mind and stretch your heart to accommodate God’s all embracing love in Jesus Christ.
Brennan Manning: Outrageous Grace | George Fox Journal Fall 2006

They did nothing but quote this guy---apparently without realizing that He was not a Universalist! Loving God, knowing Him as being all that is love---does not take away from the fact that He also has justice and if one does not, will not repent---then the inevitable will happen--- they are left witho90ut any protection from His devouring flame of love and die the 2nd death.

Every knee will bow to Jesus, including Satan---even He will see that His sentence of annihilation is fair. Even criminals, when faced with the facts of their case, have testified that they are deserving of the death penalty. When all the facts are in, the guilty will have to acknowledge the fact that they do deserve to die, for they know, they would continue in sin, if given the opportunity. And the wicked do show that---for they still, after their resurrection, try to take over the city and have by force, what they could have had for the asking.

Rev_20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

No repentance here, therefore, no love towards God and God engulfs them in His loving arms--which is His fire--but for them the 2nd death. They will not be awakened again. God will miss them for all eternity---but He can not call them back--for they refuse to repent. Again---God does not force.

Well, I examined every verse of an ordinary KJV to reach my views, and I must say that if I can find Universal Reconciliation in a KJV, I really can't imagine how you found annihilation - I found only scant indications, as I said. I tried to not read and interpret through a theo-illogical filter...did you? Oh, btw, I am an ex-damnationist and an ex-atheist.

 

[mmksparbud]

Well, I examined every verse of an ordinary KJV to reach my views, and I must say that if I can find Universal Reconciliation in a KJV, I really can't imagine how you found annihilation - I found only scant indications, as I said. I tried to not read and interpret through a theo-illogical filter...did you? Oh, btw, I am an ex-damnationist and an ex-atheist.

I read it as it reads---not as I want it to read, not in order to believe some form of thinking---I read it as it is stated. I read everything related to the subject, not just verses that support what I want to think. Put it all together with the parables that Jesus taught, the history of God's actions throughout the bible. Everything related to death, everyth8ng related to those in the kingdom of Christ, what God wants of us and what is the character of God as stated by His actions. And just to be sure---I threw in the Greek and Aramaic and Hebrew also. I'm of those that, if you're going to do something, do it thoroughly!

 

[FineLinen]

I can say with certainty that he wasn’t basing it on what you quoted, but basing it on his interpretation of what you quoted, and that wisdom would place truth over interpretation in the understanding that Jesus is literally King and that you can’t philosophise the Creator into conforming to your image of him, the most you can do is pray to truly see him and know that if at any point your hope and his judgement are in conflict, you don’t cast aspersions on the latter.

Which is equally applicable to my own interpretations and I pray he gives me humility and grace no matter what else comes my way.

The Creator of the all cannot be squeezed into the scope of our wee vision of Him. Whatever we behold is subject to expansion in His inexhaustible Person and purposes. The Author of Pi always has more digits hiding within Himself in the realm of mystery & disclosure.

David Bentley Hart’s Lonely, Last Stand for Christian Universalism

 

[Lazarus Short]

I read it as it reads---not as I want it to read, not in order to believe some form of thinking---I read it as it is stated. I read everything related to the subject, not just verses that support what I want to think. Put it all together with the parables that Jesus taught, the history of God's actions throughout the bible. Everything related to death, everyth8ng related to those in the kingdom of Christ, what God wants of us and what is the character of God as stated by His actions. And just to be sure---I threw in the Greek and Aramaic and Hebrew also. I'm of those that, if you're going to do something, do it thoroughly!

I was also thorough, so how did we arrive at such different conclusions? I know that I tried to not have any preconceptions when I began.

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

The Creator of the all cannot be squeezed into the scope of our wee vision of Him. Whatever we behold is subject to expansion in His inexhaustible Person and purposes. The Author of Pi always has more digits hiding within Himself in the realm of mystery & disclosure.

David Bentley Hart’s Lonely, Last Stand for Christian Universalism

We hope to see by grace of the Spirit of Christ within us - John 14:9

Also consider that God didn’t create Pi, man created Pi as a representation in human language of what he perceived that God made, but possibly for God all those numbers could be summarised as “what is”.