How Could God allow this?

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There have been many different threads which have asked this question about Corona virus. Many of the posters assert that God is the creator of all things (agreed) that He is omnipotent and omniscient (agreed) and that given these criteria coronavirus could not have taken place without His allowing it (agreed). He foresaw it would happen (omniscient), He created it (creator of all things) and He had the power to prevent it (omnipotent). I agree with all of this.

Others, also quoting scriptures point out that God is love (agreed), He is a merciful and good God (agreed), in Him is no darkness (agreed), His thoughts for us are good and not evil (agreed). How do you reconcile these two?

This is commonly known as the problem of evil and is a logical argument used by atheists to deny that God exists. Their argument is that the definition of God is that He is the creator of all things (agreed). Evil exists (agreed). Therefore God created evil (disagree and will explain). There are many ways that Christians try to squirm out of this and they are not scriptural. They make Satan (Lucifer was also created by God) into some kind of powerful being who has the ability to create evil and sin even though he is a created being by God (this does not change the fact that if evil exists, it was part of the creation that God created). For example the Bible says God cannot lie. How then could he create a universe in which there are lies and liars?

Therefore I wanted to open this thread up to Christians so that we could examine the scriptures and understand "How could God allow this to happen?"
We are a very weak generation. Most in the past have seen calamities far worse. We question why God allows such things to happen but in retrospect we should ask why we allow things to happen. God has given us free will. What we do with that gift is up to each and every one of us.
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So how do you reconcile this verse with "in Him is no darkness at all" and "God cannot lie". They also are in the Bible.
In Him there is no darkness, exactly. Even though he created evil it cannot reside within Him. And what he He lying about?
 
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We are a very weak generation. Most in the past have seen calamities far worse. We question why God allows such things to happen but in retrospect we should ask why we allow things to happen. God has given us free will. What we do with that gift is up to each and every one of us.
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Tell that to the heroes of faith.

39 And all these, having [y]gained approval through their faith, did not receive [z]what was promised, 40 because God had [aa]provided something better for us, so that apart from us they would not be made perfect.
 
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I think before we consider God we have to also consider "not God" in the equation.
In the beginning I believe the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil was a choice of God/Not God in essence
and mankind consisting of Adam and Eve chose to allow the "Not God" choice to be available for all mankind
when before that time the only choice was "God" due to no knowledge of ever being without or not God.

Throughout mankind we constantly see mankind in one form or another seeking and distancing himself from God.
Man tends to seek God when times get tough and unmanageable and distances himself from him when everything is like paradise etc. this presents a problem in that God sees mankind (on average) as only coming to him when he has to not wanting to fellowship and follow God the majority of the time. To demand God perform when things in the world seem to go wrong and then ignore, ridicule, and reject God when they are going good does not encourage God to "run things" at all in the world keeping harm from happening to us.

People want God to step in and stop this and that evil/sin but the problem is they don't want God to stop ALL evils and sins going on, essentially they want a god that is like a genie in a bottle just use him to grant wishes. God knows about the problem of evil but in order to reign it in requires him to take away choices people make that he considers sin/evil in this world and to deal with people who are the source of sin/evil and nations and society in all levels that he considers evil. In the end to totally rid the world of evil/sin/calamity/disease/etc God would have to essentially clean our clocks and any sin/evil that exists would have to be removed at the source and from that point on the world would be run by God.

To put is bluntly those blaming God for everything don't want him and bow down to him but rather wants to consider being allowed to continue with their pet sins and want God to handle "the other guy's" sins and not theirs.
Atheists want a god they can control that is like them in though and deed, they don't want a God that will demand they change and bow to him at all. Essentially allowing choice in mankind has left us with things that happen because of the corruption evil has on the world and if God were to step in there would be less/no evil and with it less/no choice something that probably very few of us could handle in our corrupt flesh.
 
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I think before we consider God we have to also consider "not God" in the equation.
In the beginning I believe the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil was a choice of God/Not God in essence
and mankind consisting of Adam and Eve chose to allow the "Not God" choice to be available for all mankind
when before that time the only choice was "God" due to no knowledge of ever being without or not God.

Throughout mankind we constantly see mankind in one form or another seeking and distancing himself from God.
Man tends to seek God when times get tough and unmanageable and distances himself from him when everything is like paradise etc. this presents a problem in that God sees mankind (on average) as only coming to him when he has to not wanting to fellowship and follow God the majority of the time. To demand God perform when things in the world seem to go wrong and then ignore, ridicule, and reject God when they are going good does not encourage God to "run things" at all in the world keeping harm from happening to us.

People want God to step in and stop this and that evil/sin but the problem is they don't want God to stop ALL evils and sins going on, essentially they want a god that is like a genie in a bottle just use him to grant wishes. God knows about the problem of evil but in order to reign it in requires him to take away choices people make that he considers sin/evil in this world and to deal with people who are the source of sin/evil and nations and society in all levels that he considers evil. In the end to totally rid the world of evil/sin/calamity/disease/etc God would have to essentially clean our clocks and any sin/evil that exists would have to be removed at the source and from that point on the world would be run by God.

To put is bluntly those blaming God for everything don't want him and bow down to him but rather wants to consider being allowed to continue with their pet sins and want God to handle "the other guy's" sins and not theirs.
Atheists want a god they can control that is like them in though and deed, they don't want a God that will demand they change and bow to him at all. Essentially allowing choice in mankind has left us with things that happen because of the corruption evil has on the world and if God were to step in there would be less/no evil and with it less/no choice something that probably very few of us could handle in our corrupt flesh.
The problem is God created everything you see now or in world history knowing it would happen at best. Or causing it to happen as scripture suggests.
 
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We need a revelation of death.

1. Jesus said not to fear him who can kill the body but can't hurt the soul, rather fear him that after you die can then cast your soul into hell.

2. Our soul is eternal. Once we die we wait for the final judgement.

3. In that judgement we will be judged for every word we spoke, everything we did.

This reminds me of the movie "Sully" where the pilot sits in a large trial where they are examining every word and action they took. During that examination they run various simulations where the airplane crashes into apartment complexes killing everyone on board as well as those on the ground. But they are simulations, no one really views that as evil, simply little pixels on a screen changing color.

4. We are told our life is a vapor, like those little pixels on the computer screen when Sully was sitting at his judgement seat.

5. We are told that we will enter eternity. Compared to eternity what is our life, it is like spending a Sunday afternoon playing a board game or playing a computer simulation.

6. In Hebrews it says that we are surrounded with a great cloud of witnesses, like being in a stadium on the field of battle, and that they are all cheering us on because apart from us they cannot be made perfect.

We are a team. If your child dies, they are still part of the team, they are simply on the sidelines cheering you on because as a team you will all be made perfect.

So I would argue that our life is like a computer simulation in many ways. When we chose to take the tree of the knowledge of good and evil so that we could be wise, knowing good and evil and be like God, He set up our life like a computer simulation so that we could not do any real damage. All the evil in the world is simply simulated evil. Hitler could kill the body but had no power over the soul. So yes, God created the evil, but it is simulated evil, so yes, in God is light and there is no darkness, and yes God's thoughts for us are good and not evil, and yes God is love, and yes God is omniscient, and yes God is omnipotent and yes all things came into being by the word of God and apart from the word of God nothing that exists has come into being.

Thank you for sharing that. I respectfully disagree with the 'simulation' theory, or that this is all a 'test' for making the cut for Team Jesus.

Still, certain theological traditions posit the Good as having existence, and evil as having no existence in itself, just a falling away from the Good and a falsification of it. So just like the Biblical earth, it is unipolar. There is only one true principle, the Good.

So to that extent I concur.
 
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Shalom @ZNP

Therefore God created evil (disagree and will explain). There are many ways that Christians try to squirm out of this and they are not scriptural.

Not at all my friend. Consider Isaiah 45:7 - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I, Yahweh, do all these things."

Most Christians today have come to Yahweh through the Messiah Yahushua (Jesus Christ), as did I. They are then predominantly taught from the New Testament and heavily from the letters of Paul. This is effectively building the house upon sand instead of rock.

Sure, occasionally there may be teachings from the "Old Testament" brought into churches. But does it really go any deeper than Genesis, Exodus (until chapter 21!), Jonah, cuttings of Isaiah and Jeremiah and the odd Psalm? This is no real strong foundation and, as challenges and issues arise, the house can start to fall apart as today's typical Christian tries to reconcile evil's existence in the gospels and the writings of Paul.

When we understand that ALL is within Yahweh's power, we truly learn to fear and respect Him, and then true love for the Father follows thereafter. Yes, He brings disasters and yes, He brings terror - whether it be at the hands of foreign nations, pestilence, or the enemy.

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” says Yahweh. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts." - Isaiah 55:8-9

But understanding this greatness and totality of power is what should at first bring fear. Which is followed naturally by respect and followed closely with true love and trust in His awesome promises of protection from physical enemies, pestilence or the enemy himself (see Psalm 91 for more) - providing we pay heed to His Word, will and way. If we do this, we have nothing to fear or be concerned about - in this life or the next. All praise to Yahweh and thanks to the Messiah Yahushua.

For example the Bible says God cannot lie. How then could he create a universe in which there are lies and liars?

He created the world and beings with free will. Some beings choose a dark path which leads to lying. But is it Yahweh to blame for their free will choices or them? Yahweh would have no one lie. Yet, nevertheless, we find it so easy to do when we are cowardly or hiding from the evil we have committed or witnessed. It's us to blame for this behaviour, not Him.

Therefore I wanted to open this thread up to Christians so that we could examine the scriptures and understand "How could God allow this to happen?"

Do you mean the virus?

If so, it may be of Yahweh, it may be man-made. Either way, He has allowed it to be so for a great purpose. For even if it is a biological attack originating from man...

"For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled." - Revelation 17:17

We are moving very closely to the end times now, very few signs are left to be seen before we have no more - but He could appear anytime now and this world WILL go through a hard time.

This virus, so far, is nothing compared to what is to come. I believe He brings on more and more hardship as we get closer to the end to try and wake people up to repentance and readying their heart, just like the Messiah preached "Repent! for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!". But whilst we some change at this time, which is awesome, the most will not...

"The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk, nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts." - Revelation 9:20-21

Therefore, Christian and non-Christian alike need to take advantage of the freedom we have been afforded in these days to repent, ready our heart and seek to know Him truly. Not just in the Gospels and the writings of Paul, but in the WHOLE Word. Only then we can find Shalom in knowing Him and His ways during any trouble before us, and we will not be building on sand.

I hope that helps in some way.

Love & Shalom
 
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The problem is God created everything you see now or in world history knowing it would happen at best. Or causing it to happen as scripture suggests.
I don't tend to see him creating everything in the way you do. I do believe in the beginning he created everything but then he rested and his creation is self sustaining, that is built in procreating continues replenishing things. The problem is corruption in his creation caused by the introduction of sin and allowing man to tamper with his creation has allowed disease and other calamities to exist. If one considers a computer running a perfect piece of software on it (no errors) it would run forever but it doesn't because over time the parts of the computer fail due to many reasons and it requires a stable power source to operate. God didn't necessarily choose who would be our parents which (due to his design of DNA) determines who we are. If one of our parents had good DNA and chose a spouse that has bad DNA then their offspring (us) could end up with a possibility of bad DNA (disease).
 
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I don't tend to see him creating everything in the way you do. I do believe in the beginning he created everything but then he rested and his creation is self sustaining, that is built in procreating continues replenishing things. The problem is corruption in his creation caused by the introduction of sin and allowing man to tamper with his creation has allowed disease and other calamities to exist. If one considers a computer running a perfect piece of software on it (no errors) it would run forever but it doesn't because over time the parts of the computer fail due to many reasons and it requires a stable power source to operate. God didn't necessarily choose who would be our parents which (due to his design of DNA) determines who we are. If one of our parents had good DNA and chose a spouse that has bad DNA then their offspring (us) could end up with a possibility of bad DNA (disease).
Only God can create.
 
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In the beginning I believe the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil was a choice of God/Not God in essence and mankind consisting of Adam and Eve chose to allow the "Not God" choice to be available for all mankind when before that time the only choice was "God" due to no knowledge of ever being without or not God.
This argument raises some very big Biblical questions for me.

1. If Adam and Eve chose "not God" why do we see God immediately with them, and why is God on every page of the Bible? I do not see any evidence that human history since taking the tree of the knowledge of good and evil has been a history of "not God".

2. If some people chose "not God" as you suggest (perhaps anticipating my first question) then why is everyone judged by God at the end of the Age. Apparently God does not see this tree as being a choice of "God or not God" and He was the one who created it and put it in the garden.

3. Also, if this is only "some people chose not God" then why does every person die?

4. God created the universe, how does eating from a tree that God created equate to a choice of "Not God". It is like going to a restaurant and ordering the fish instead of the chicken, either way the same chef is going to cook it, you are going to make your payment to the same restaurant. You simply chose one dish over the other.
 
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Some of us believers understand that God is working all things for our good. This includes sickness and death. Even tragedy such as murder and rape. We are being refined into pure gold by going through the fire.
As a Pentecostal, some interpret that scripture differently. That the things working together for good occur when we pray in tongues, via the Holy Spirit. If we had nothing to do, then the Holy Spirit would always pray correctly and the outcome would be optimal. The key to this interpretation is to understand when these passages are talking about our born again human spirit, and when it is referring to the Holy Spirit. The reality though is that we sometimes fail our part and then the condition of all things working together for good are not met. Most probably do not see it this way, but I only offer it as an alternative explanation. As to the death of a loved one, there seem to be two possibilities. First, that someone opened the door to evil and there was no Christian to restrain it. No intercessor, possible ignorance, and in many cases some catalyst of evil that came and took the person. The thief comes to steal, kill and destroy and sometimes he is successful through lies, poor confessions (Yes the words we speak do matter) and sin. The second possibility exists that the person died for the greater good. Some condition existed that the death was more meaningful for that person than their life.

Romans 8:26-28 (KJV)
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.I agree.
 
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From us as a part of God's judgement for sin in Adam.
I don't believe we are judged by Adam's sins but our own. I don't believe God corrupted his creation because of Adam's sin, I believe Adam's sin which allowed him choice over his world and allowed his offspring choice brought on the world we are in today. I believe if ALL of mankind turned to God today he would step in and clean up the mess gladly.
 
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"How could God allow this to happen?"

You are still breathing. Do you need more?
How many gifts can you be grateful for at one time?
I supposed you'd also like to not have leprosy.
Also no fire from the sky?
 
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There have been many different threads which have asked this question about Corona virus. Many of the posters assert that God is the creator of all things (agreed) that He is omnipotent and omniscient (agreed) and that given these criteria coronavirus could not have taken place without His allowing it (agreed). He foresaw it would happen (omniscient), He created it (creator of all things) and He had the power to prevent it (omnipotent). I agree with all of this.

Others, also quoting scriptures point out that God is love (agreed), He is a merciful and good God (agreed), in Him is no darkness (agreed), His thoughts for us are good and not evil (agreed). How do you reconcile these two?

This is commonly known as the problem of evil and is a logical argument used by atheists to deny that God exists. Their argument is that the definition of God is that He is the creator of all things (agreed). Evil exists (agreed). Therefore God created evil (disagree and will explain). There are many ways that Christians try to squirm out of this and they are not scriptural. They make Satan (Lucifer was also created by God) into some kind of powerful being who has the ability to create evil and sin even though he is a created being by God (this does not change the fact that if evil exists, it was part of the creation that God created). For example the Bible says God cannot lie. How then could he create a universe in which there are lies and liars?

Therefore I wanted to open this thread up to Christians so that we could examine the scriptures and understand "How could God allow this to happen?"

We may not always understand the “why’s” of a certain tragedy, but we know the “Who” that will carry us through it. He promises, “When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze. For I am the Lord your God . . .” (Isaiah 43:2–3a NIV).

God did not create sin. God created intelligent beings with free will. Sin started in heaven with lucifer (satan) and 1/3 of the angels ... they exercised their free will ...
they were cast to earth (kicked out of heaven) .... satan then tempted Adam & Eve, and they by their free will sinned and thereby sin entered the world through Adam and sin was passed on to the human race.

Death in Adam, Life in Christ

Romans 5

12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned. 13For sin was in the world before the law was given; but sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who did not sin in the way that Adam transgressed. He is a pattern of the One to come.15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many! 16Again, the gift is not like the result of the one man’s sin: The judgment that followed one sin brought condemnation, but the gift that followed many trespasses brought justification. 17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive an abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!18So then, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.20The law came in so that the trespass would increase; but where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

We live in a fallen world and sometimes God intervenes and sometimes not .... why? We do not know ... yet we completely trust Him.

Right now it's not about the why .... it's about the who (Jesus) and we know He is victorious over sin and death .... and we do wait and look forward to His return and when He will destroy sin forever never for it to rise again. AMEN!

Even so ... come Lord Jesus!
 
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If we did not know what is evil, how would ee know what is good? If there were no bitter fruit, how would we understand the tasting of sweet fruit? The Lord God created a tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Adam and Eve ate of it and then knew one from the other. Prior to that there was no evil only a God created tree who's fruit contained the knowledge of it. To understand the condition of Adam and Eve prior to eating the fruit is impossible as we are not like they were then...so we have nothing to compare it to. Once they ate the fruit and knew the difference, evil came into the world by their choice, and they were dismissed from the Garden. Why did God make the tree in the first place? Well, as He himself said that His thoughts are not our thoughts and his ways are not our ways. One might say that if one were to understand His thoughts and ways, there would be no need for Him. That is secular humanism at it's best. As to our condition after Adam and Eve, it was once explained to me that Adam and Eve were put into a "pit" (for lack of a better descriptive of no longer being in the Garden) with the knowledge of good and evil and choices to be made, and the result of those choices. Ever since every person born was born in that pit with the knowledge of good and evil and the ability to make choices. The actions of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, lifted us out of that pit...that is if we choose to accept that gift. We still know the difference between good and evil, but we also have now eaten the fruit of eternal life, now given us freely by the Father because of the redeeming sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Maranatha!

For me, I am content to have available the scriptures to be able to read and ponder Man and his path since Adam and Eve and the works that God has done. I am also grateful that the Lord in His inexplicable ways decided to reveal and act upon: "In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, the Word was God...and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us."
 
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There have been many different threads which have asked this question about Corona virus. Many of the posters assert that God is the creator of all things (agreed) that He is omnipotent and omniscient (agreed) and that given these criteria coronavirus could not have taken place without His allowing it (agreed). He foresaw it would happen (omniscient), He created it (creator of all things) and He had the power to prevent it (omnipotent). I agree with all of this.

Others, also quoting scriptures point out that God is love (agreed), He is a merciful and good God (agreed), in Him is no darkness (agreed), His thoughts for us are good and not evil (agreed). How do you reconcile these two?

This is commonly known as the problem of evil and is a logical argument used by atheists to deny that God exists. Their argument is that the definition of God is that He is the creator of all things (agreed). Evil exists (agreed). Therefore God created evil (disagree and will explain). There are many ways that Christians try to squirm out of this and they are not scriptural. They make Satan (Lucifer was also created by God) into some kind of powerful being who has the ability to create evil and sin even though he is a created being by God (this does not change the fact that if evil exists, it was part of the creation that God created). For example the Bible says God cannot lie. How then could he create a universe in which there are lies and liars?

Therefore I wanted to open this thread up to Christians so that we could examine the scriptures and understand "How could God allow this to happen?"

Thank you for expressing this puzzle.

I would offer the following points in response, along with God's ultimate purpose.

Firstly, God promises that all people, but especially directed to Christians, that they will endure suffering in this world, which is the test of their faith, and also the refining of faith. Evil serves a purpose in the present age.

Secondly, God did not promise Paradise now, but in the future Kingdom, where all those who remained faithful on this earth will be resurrected in glorified bodies, like that of Lord Jesus, to be with God forever. In that place there will be no sin, evil, or suffering.

Now... Regarding God's Plan for evil and for Salvation (John 3:14-21), an important consideration a Holy and Righteous God (who is all powerful and all knowing) made when He created the world, and giving mankind free choice, was that such sinful acts would would happen.

God foresaw the sinfulness of mankind on the earth and was greatly grieved within His Holy nature. Therefore, such a decision that God made to create man was a very serious undertaking. This is all explained in Scripture, which is also why God originally killed most of mankind in the flood.

Even though God is grieved by sin and cannot dwell with sin, God continued with His plan with mankind anyway. Why? God's greater desire for a loving relationship with His creation over-ruled His abhorrence for evil, sin and death.

In God's plan of salvation, God foreknew those through time who would, by faith, walk with God in love, and so access His grace. Such a relationship with his creation is precious to God, because God loves us so much - more than we could ever imagine. So, God continued with His Plan even though God is holy and abhors sin and all the harm it causes.

Can God be glorified out of a world of sinfulness?
Yes, but only as a redeemer and savior – who himself, the Sovereign God, voluntarily came down from heaven and humbled himself as a human servant (Philippians 2:5-11). Why?
  • To reveal the Gospel Faith that God accepts and by which those who believe are to follow,
  • To take the penalty of sin that Adam and Eve, and all people, are responsible for.
  • To indwell those who follow Christ by faith with His Spirit to lead them into a new life as they walk by the Spirit of Christ.
God took the penalty for all this sin upon himself being crucified for us to satisfy His justice, so God could show His Love and Mercy for all those who genuinely humbly cry out to him for salvation from their slavery to sin and death.

For God to make such a sacrifice shows us the depths of God’s immeasurable love for us. To those God foreknew would repent and believe, He predestined to be included in His plan of salvation.

Would a Sovereign God need to lay aside His glory to suffer crucifixion, dying in our place - for our sins - if that was not required to fulfill God's righteousness in condemning sin that we ourselves are guilty for?

Could anyone else have been able to mediate on mankind's behalf? No. No one else was worthy, so God had to do this himself...

Isaiah 59:16-17 (NIV)
16 He saw that there was no one,
he was appalled that there was no one to intervene;
so his own arm achieved salvation for him,
and his own righteousness sustained him.
17 He put on righteousness as his breastplate,
and the helmet of salvation on his head...

Would a Sovereign God need to humble himself as a man and be tortured and killed in our place if He could have saved us any other way? God, even though Sovereign and all powerful, is limited by His own glory – His righteous and holy nature. For God does not change.

God’s Love and Mercy can never replace God’s Righteousness in condemning sin.

Only by sacrificing Himself for us could God’s righteousness be satisfied, so that God could now righteously reveal His mercy and love toward us. God has put His Word above all His name – Psalms 138:2

Thankfully, God is not glorified by forming and decreeing mankind and all their sinful acts so he can take pleasure and glory in eternally tormenting them in the lake of fire as many reformed thinkers believe to their dying breath.

Thankfully, the Bible teaches no mysterious means by which God shows favoritism and partiality by electing to create and irresistibly give faith to some to believe and be saved while forming all others for the Lake of Fire, as if mankind were God's chess pieces in a game of arbitrary love and judgment for actions that God alone would be responsible for by His own "sovereignty." Rather, God is LOVE.

God did not form any man for the Lake of Fire (2 Peter 2:4–9). Even so, they enter the Lake of Fire because they, personally, rejected God’s grace. That is what the Scriptures actually teach.

The Scriptures teach that there is no injustice or partiality in God. How then could God mysteriously select some for salvation, and reject the rest without any chance to be saved? That cannot be possible. Thankfully, the Holy Scriptures reveal the truth if you can accept what the Word actually desires for you to know in context.

God is righteous in judging everyone for their own sins, and saving those who believe. For this to happen, God’s Sovereignty must allow for mankind to be responsible for rejecting or accepting His gracious gift of salvation according to the Gospel Covenant. That is what we find illustrated and taught throughout the entire body of Holy Scripture, ex. ‘The Potter and the Clay.’

The Potter and the Clay
This draws us to the Potter and the Clay – God (the Potter) forms the clay info a vessel of honor if they repent, and dishonor if they reject God’s grace. How the clay responds in God’s hands determines what God intends for the vessel he forms (Jeremiah 18:2-11). See also 2 Timothy 2:19-21; Ezekiel 33:11-12.

God does not form people to be evil and forms others for salvation; rather, Scripture reveals a God who forms people for a purpose of honor or dishonor or, for condemnation or salvation, according to teach person’s own response to His grace and will – how they respond to His grace - just as the Scriptures teach.

James 1:12-16 (WEB) 12 Blessed is a person who endures temptation, for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to those who love him. 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God,” for God can’t be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own lust and enticed. 15 Then the lust, when it has conceived, bears sin. The sin, when it is full grown, produces death.
16 Don’t be deceived, my beloved brothers.

In like manner,
If
God has to miraculously harden the hearts of God’s Elect People in punishment so they cannot believe and be healed

(Romans 11:7-10, John 12:37-40, Isaiah 6:10; Isaiah 53:1)

– even though using their sinfulness to bring Gentiles to Christ

(Romans 11:11-12; Romans 11:25-32)

– that means that, rather than enabling a select number to believe by regeneration, God instead had to harden the hearts of His Elect People because of their continued obstinate resistance to His Spirit and Grace so they could not turn to God in faith and be saved. Please review the Scriptures given above and see if this is correct.

If Christ was diligent to fulfill prophecy by hiding the Gospel, and who he was, from the Jews in riddles and parables (Matthew 13:10-13; John 8:19-25) in judgment for their callous hearts toward God and His grace (Mark 4:10-12, John 12:37-40), that means they could have been saved if Lord Jesus had fully explained it to them as He did to His Disciples. No special enabling.

Once Christ’s earthly mission was complete, the secrecy of His mission was over. Now Lord Jesus commanded His disciples to boldly and openly proclaim His identity, and the fullness of the Gospel, to every creature (Matthew 10:27; Colossians 1:23) that was deliberately hidden during His ministry. Now everyone in the world may have an opportunity to here the Gospel in all its fullness and be saved.

Faith comes by hearing the Gospel: Romans 10:17
Many will resist the Word and Spirit, but those who do not resist are the humble - those who humble themselves will be drawn to Christ by the Gospel and the Spirit.

Even so, God still hardens those who keep resisting His Spirit. Many Jews in Elect Israel are still being hardened because of their continued rejection of God’s grace, until the full number of Gentiles are saved (Romans 11:25).

After reading the Scriptures in context, we understand that people, by their own choice, will either resist the Spirit (the proud), while others will listen to the Spirit (the humble), and still others God will miraculously harden so they cannot believe in judgment for rejecting His grace, or for disowning Christ after having received Him. Still others could have been saved if someone would have just shared the Gospel with them.

All that was described is clearly taught in Scripture. There is no Scripture teaching that God irresistibly enables some to believe by regeneration and forms others to be eternally punished. Regeneration is only by the Spirit living in you, and you only receive the Spirit by an obedient Faith according to the Scriptures.
SEE: Acts 5:32; John 14:15-17; John 14:21; John 14:23, Acts 2:38.

Blessings
 
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If we did not know what is evil, how would ee know what is good? If there were no bitter fruit, how would we understand the tasting of sweet fruit? The Lord God created a tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Adam and Eve ate of it and then knew one from the other. Prior to that there was no evil only a God created tree who's fruit contained the knowledge of it. To understand the condition of Adam and Eve prior to eating the fruit is impossible as we are not like they were then...so we have nothing to compare it to. Once they ate the fruit and knew the difference, evil came into the world by their choice, and they were dismissed from the Garden. Why did God make the tree in the first place? Well, as He himself said that His thoughts are not our thoughts and his ways are not His ways. One might say that if one were to understand His thoughts and ways, there would be no need for Him. That is secular humanism at it's best. As to our condition after Adam and Eve, it was once explained to me that Adam and Eve were put into a "pit" (for lack of a better descriptive of no longer being in the Garden) with the knowledge of good and evil and choices to be made, and the result of those choices. Ever since every person born was born in that pit with the knowledge of good and evil and the ability to make choices. The actions of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, lifted us out of that pit...that is if we choose to accept that gift. We still know the difference between good and evil, but we also have now eaten the fruit of eternal life, now given us freely by the Father because of the redeeming sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Maranatha!

For me, I am content to have available the scriptures to be able to read and ponder Man and his path since Adam and Eve and the works that God has done. I am also grateful that the Lord in His inexplicable ways decided to reveal and act upon: "In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, the Word was God...and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us."
There is another "choice" that can be made in life that wasn't really a choice before the tree of Knowledge was put there and that is the choice to accept/love God and the choice to reject/not love God. I believe God wants us to love him and to truly love someone that may be allowed to "not love" that someone also.
One could in the end say that not loving God could be considered evil to him as to not love God means rejecting his love shown to us on the cross and to reject so great of a gift is IMO the ultimate evil.
 
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