Is this injustice?

[Dorothy Mae]

Good Day,

It is granted for the explicit purpose of leading them to the knowledge of the truth, ( you can not believe truth, you do not know), bring them to their senses and allow them to escape the snare of the devil because they have been captured by him, and need the ability to escape.

Ti 2:24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.


In Him,

Bill

Ok, that’s it’s purpose, one of them. Why does He grant grace to some and not others?

 

[Hammster]

Not if you look at the audience present when Jesus said those who are merciful will be granted mercy. Those were unbelievers.

James was written to believers.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Good Day, Dororthy

Last I checked the Bible does not define words... where does the Scripture define the word "grace". OIf you could provide the full context of the text and explain it that will be helpful.

I will check my Greek lexicons, but the normative use of the English word Grace has been posted.


In Him,

Bill

The dictionary can provide some help but it’s like asking it to communicate what falling in love is like. The dictionary can’t tell a reader what it’s like to bear a child, hear God say he loves you to a person, the freedom of forgiveness. The dictionary or concordance is our tool, not our master.

God hides understanding from the wise and intelligent. What God hides the dictionary will not reveal.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

James was written to believers.

James didn’t write blessed are the merciful...Jesus said that to non-believers.

 

[mtatertayte]

Again, what silly question, and what a silly conversation this is.

To which you initiated with a lie.

 

[Hammster]

James didn’t write blessed are the merciful...Jesus said that to non-believers.

There’s no basis for it in scripture. God gives grace to the humble. Doesn’t say He gives grace for no reason.

That’s what you said that I replied to.

 

[BBAS 64]

Ok, that’s it’s purpose, one of them. Why does He grant grace to some and not others?

Good Day, Dorothy

The text does not say that Grace is granted but Repentance..

The direct noun object of the verb grant is "repentance".

Ti 2:24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.

In HIm,

Bill

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Then how are you so sure that we are wrong if you can’t even give a cursory definition?

Can you perhaps start with what the definition is in Greek?

The local people spoke that Greek fluently and that didn’t help them all understand. Grace is an undergirding from God in your life. An ability or support that is not your own.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Good Day, Dorothy

The text does not say that Grace is granted but Repentance..

The direct noun object of the verb grant is "repentance".

Ti 2:24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.

In HIm,

Bill

You sure you want to say repentance is disconnected from grace?

 

[Hammster]

The local people spoke that Greek fluently and that didn’t help them all understand. Grace is an undergirding from God in your life. An ability or support that is not your own.

Where do you get that definition from?

 

[BBAS 64]

You sure you want to say repentance is disconnected from grace?

Good Day, Dorothy

Covered that issue here: Is this injustice?

I am letting the text say what the text says in it's own context.

How do you understand the text?

Who does the granting?
What is granted?

Ti 2:24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.



In Him,

Bill

 

[BBAS 64]

James didn’t write blessed are the merciful...Jesus said that to non-believers.

Good Day, Dorothy

you did not refer to Blessed are the Merciful... you have repeatedly quoted James

"“God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” That is NOT unmerited favor."

Just to point out:

The pronoun Them refers to the noun "disciples" who are believers.

Mat 5:1 Seeing the crowds, he went up on the mountain, and when he sat down, his disciples came to him. And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:

Mat 5:3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 5:4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

Mat 5:5 “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.

Mat 5:6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.

Mat 5:7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

Mat 5:8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

Mat 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

Mat 5:10 “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.


In Him,

 

[Kenny'sID]

Christ isn’t wrong. Your understanding of what He said is incorrect. If you take what He said without context, all are doomed because all have done evil.

I already went through that for you, but if you choose to ignore the obvious, that is up to you, you won't be the first to make that comment while conveniently leaving out the fact that all is expected of us is we make honest attest so live right. Meaning, yes, we have all done evil but all are not going to hell for it as you claim. We really should always post the whole truth, but those with agenda, seem to never do that in this very instance

Let me be sure you know the truth there before we go on... are you aware of the fact we can sin and be forgiven for that sin, and not go to hell because of it?

And if so, why do you choose to do what so many others do and attempt to leave that part hidden as you make your point?

However, He says in the next chapter what the work is.


Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”

Does believing in Christ include believing what he says we must do? Or does it mean we can ignore those things, and still consider ourselves a believer? Also, was that ALL he said or was there more?

Jesus said: "If you love me, you will keep my commandments."

"The whole truth and nothing but the truth" A very powerful and necessary thing.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Where do you get that definition from?

From knowing what grace is in real life. I know my part in walking with Him and I know His part. When one keeps His teaching one comes to know the truth. It isn’t found by going to university. It’s found in obeying the living God in real life.

 

[Hammster]

I already went through that for you, but if you choose to ignore the obvious, that is up to you, you won't be the first to make that comment while conveniently leaving out the fact that all is expected of us is we make honest attest so live right. Meaning, yes, we have all done evil but all are not going to hell for it as you claim. We really should always post the whole truth, but those with agenda, seem to never do that in this very instance

Let me be sure you know the truth there before we go on... are you aware of the fact we can sin and be forgiven for that sin, and not go to hell because of it?

. Yes, I’m aware. It’s clear that you missed my point. Again, you posted a verse without context or explanation. And we are supposed to take it as is. On its own it says that if we do evil, we are doomed. And I’ve pointed out that there’s more to it than that. Way more.

And if so, why do you choose to do what so many others do and attempt to leave that part hidden as you make your point?

I’ve not left anything out. My guess is that perhaps you’ve not read all I’ve written.

Does believing in Christ include believing what he says we must do? Or does it mean we can ignore those things, and still consider ourselves a believer? Also, was that ALL he said or was there more?

Jesus said: "If you love me, you will keep my commandments."

"The whole truth and nothing but the truth" A very powerful and necessary thing.

I posted the scripture that says what the work is. I’ve also pointed out that we will be obedient. That’s what sheep do. They hear His voice and follow. But our obedience doesn’t make us sheep. Being sheep makes us obedient.

 

[Hammster]

From knowing what grace is in real life. I know my part in walking with Him and I know His part. When one keeps His teaching one comes to know the truth. It isn’t found by going to university. It’s found in obeying the living God in real life.

So you reject our actual definitions, but we are to trust your experience as valid?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Good Day, Dorothy

Covered that issue here: Is this injustice?

I am letting the text say what the text says in it's own context.

How do you understand the text?

Who does the granting?
What is granted?

Ti 2:24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.



In Him,

Bill

You still don’t know what God looks for in a man in order to act in His life.

Jesus, by the way, didn’t preach to God pleading with Him to grant his listeners repentance. He preached to men to repent never mentioning they might be lucky (is that your reason) and God might grant them repentance.

And it’s a bummer, I guess, God stubbornly refuses to grant some repentance. Or how do you explain God refusing to grant some repentance?

 

[Hammster]

@Kenny'sID here's where I explained it, in case you’ve forgotten. Let me know if there are questions.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

So you reject our actual definitions, but we are to trust your experience as valid?

Not rejecting, just funding it lacking in useful communication.

 

[Hammster]

You still don’t know what God looks for in a man in order to act in His life.

Jesus, by the way, didn’t preach to God pleading with Him to grant his listeners repentance. He preached to men to repent never mentioning they might be lucky (is that your reason) and God might grant them repentance.

And it’s a bummer, I guess, God stubbornly refuses to grant some repentance. Or how do you explain God refusing to grant some repentance?

Nobody deserves to be granted repentance. So God does no harm to not grant it.