Adventist end time beliefs?

[Dave L]

Case in point.

There's a big difference between the Sabbath-keepers then and what you see now.

 

[summerville]

It is a truly remarkable and masterful deception that has convinced the faithful over the last 100 years that the ten commandments are a relic, a dead letter, a broken and defunct contract to which men have no obligation whatsoever.

It boggles the mind that in the late 20th century, Billy Graham had this to say about the perpetuity of God's Law:
(From his "My Answer" column)

Q:
Why do preachers like you try to get people to follow something like the Ten Commandments, which are thousands of years out of date? We live in a different world now, and we need to make up our own rules for living.
A:
God gave the Ten Commandments to us, and the reason is because He wants us to live good lives—lives that are peaceful and happy and productive. God isn’t a harsh, angry judge just waiting for us to get out of line so He can punish us. He is our loving Heavenly Father, who knows what is best for us.

I can’t help but wonder if you’ve ever actually read the Ten Commandments (you’ll find them in the Old Testament, in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5). If so, which would you throw out? Would you abandon the commandments against murder, or stealing, or lying, or unfaithfulness? Would you toss out the command to take care of our health and our environment by allowing for sufficient rest? Would you omit the commands against greed or the neglect of the elderly (especially our parents)? I seriously doubt if you’d abandon any of them, because the alternative is chaos.

However, I suspect your real problem with the Ten Commandments (or any other moral law in the Bible) is that you simply want to run your own life, apart from God. But is that wise? God made you, and He knows what is best for you. Why deceive yourself by thinking you’re wiser than God? The first commandment declares, “You shall have no other gods before me” (Exodus 20:3).

Face honestly your need for God’s forgiveness and wisdom—and then by faith commit your life to Jesus Christ. Jesus’ command is for you: “Come, follow me” (Matthew 4:19).

Why do you think the Ten Commandments are out of date?

 

[mmksparbud]

Not heating your house or going for a walk... no cooking ...etc.

Where does it say that in this? Oh, and we cook for the next day anyway. And that is done many times during the week to have a easier day after work.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Where does it say anything about walks and not heating your house?

 

[Jesse Johnson]

@Dave L
What do you find "informative" about my post on Billy Graham?
Or is this just a case of goading by rating?

 

[mmksparbud]

There's a big difference between the Sabbath-keepers then and what you see now.

No---there is a big difference between following God's commandments, and following the rules that the Rabbi's added.

 

[summerville]

Not heating your house or going for a walk... no cooking ...etc.

In the spirit of the law??

 

[Dave L]

No---there is a big difference between following God's commandments, and following the rules that the Rabbi's added.

Added in scripture?

 

[Jesse Johnson]

Why do you think the Ten Commandments are out of date?

Please read the post more carefully. I am not the asker of the question.

 

[Dave L]

@Dave L
What do you find "informative" about my post on Billy Graham?
Or is this just a case of goading by rating?

I thought it provided information of some worth.

 

[Dave L]

Where does it say that in this? Oh, and we cook for the next day anyway. And that is done many times during the week to have a easier day after work.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Where does it say anything about walks and not heating your house?

= Kindling a fire

 

[Jesse Johnson]

I thought it provided information of some worth.

Such as?

 

[summerville]

That is your problem sir. For there are 2 laws treated differently by God. The 10 were written by God with His own hand on stone and kept inside the ark of the testimony which represents the one in the heavenly sanctuary which is the very seat of God and are permanent. The Levitical laws were dictated by God, written by Moses on parchment and kept outside the ark.
The ark of the testimony, testament, is called that because it contain the commandments----those are in the heavenly sanctuary still.

Rev_11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Maybe.

The Avalon Project : Code of Hammurabi
The Avalon Project : Code of Hammurabi
CODE OF LAWS. 1. If any one ensnare another, putting a ban upon him, but he can not prove it, then he that ensnared him shall be put to death. 2. If any one bring an accusation against a man, and the accused go to the river and The code of Hammurabi (1728 B.C.E.-1686 B.C.E.) is a collection of the legal decisions made by Hammurabi during his reign as king of Babylon, inscribed on a stele.

At the top of this stele is an image of a Babylonian god (thought to be either Marduk, or Shamash), and Hammurabi, presenting himself to the god, with his right hand raised to his mouth as a mark of respect..

 

[mmksparbud]

Added in scripture?

I just quoted the 4th 2-3 times. You have not pointed out where it says any of the things you are speaking about.

 

[summerville]

Please read the post more carefully. I am not the asker of the question.

Got it.. IMO the Ten Commandments are still important.

 

[mmksparbud]

= Kindling a fire

No one has kindled a fire in hundreds of years---unless you're out camping. It's quite a bit of work. And, it can be done just before sundown. No big deal. The object is to rest, flipping a switch is not exactly a 30 min. work out of the fingers.

 

[summerville]

No one has kindled a fire in hundreds of years---unless you're out camping. It's quite a bit of work. And, it can be done just before sundown. No big deal. The object is to rest, flipping a switch is not exactly a 30 min. work out of the fingers.

I don't have a gas fireplace so I lay a fire all the time.. AKA kindle a fire.

 

[mmksparbud]

Maybe.

The Avalon Project : Code of Hammurabi
The Avalon Project : Code of Hammurabi
CODE OF LAWS. 1. If any one ensnare another, putting a ban upon him, but he can not prove it, then he that ensnared him shall be put to death. 2. If any one bring an accusation against a man, and the accused go to the river and The code of Hammurabi (1728 B.C.E.-1686 B.C.E.) is a collection of the legal decisions made by Hammurabi during his reign as king of Babylon, inscribed on a stele.

At the top of this stele is an image of a Babylonian god (thought to be either Marduk, or Shamash), and Hammurabi, presenting himself to the god, with his right hand raised to his mouth as a mark of respect..

Sorry, but I do not understand the connection between your post and mine.

 

[mmksparbud]

I don't have a gas fireplace so I lay a fire all the time.. AKA kindle a fire.

And you can not do that one day a week before sundown? I haver a fireplace also.

 

[summerville]

Sorry, but I do not understand the connection between your post and mine.

The Hebrews borrowed their laws from the Egyptian Book of the Dead and the Babylonans. Leviticus and Deuteronomy were written during and after the Babylonian exile.

 

[summerville]

And you can not do that one day a week before sundown? I haver a fireplace also.

Are you Jewish? I never in my lifetime considered laying a fire to be work.