Adventist end time beliefs?

[Dave L]

How am I "under Sabbath" by partaking of its blessing every week? These are mostly rhetorical questions I'm asking, designed to provoke thought. It doesn't seem to be working. Hopefully someone will benefit.

Do you heat your house when it's -20? That's not allowed under the Sabbath.

 

[Dave L]

Circumcision has noithing to do with the 10 commandments.

It's one of the ordinances of the Law along with animal sacrifice.

 

[Dave L]

Imported. Really?

Really......

 

[Dave L]

Are we playing a game?

Unnecessarily......

 

[Dave L]

Nice theoretical interpretation. Again, I'm still here.

You need faith to be saved. Not law.

 

[mmksparbud]

Do you heat your house when it's -20? That's not allowed under the Sabbath.

That's baloney---the 10 commandments is what we are to keep---the 4th says nothing about heating yo9u house. You're confusing what was said----they heat their h9mes---the fires were light before the Sabbath---to this day, everything requiring lights and fires is done at least 18 minutes before sundown, including the ceremonial Sabbath candles.

Different communities have different customs as to how much time to add on to Shabbat, ranging from about 15 to 40 minutes. The most prevalent custom is to light the Shabbat candles 18 minutes before sunset.

Why Are Shabbat Candles Lit 18 Minutes Before Sunset?

 

[mmksparbud]

It's one of the ordinances of the Law along with animal sacrifice.

That is your problem sir. For there are 2 laws treated differently by God. The 10 were written by God with His own hand on stone and kept inside the ark of the testimony which represents the one in the heavenly sanctuary which is the very seat of God and are permanent. The Levitical laws were dictated by God, written by Moses on parchment and kept outside the ark.
The ark of the testimony, testament, is called that because it contain the commandments----those are in the heavenly sanctuary still.

Rev_11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

[Dave L]

That is your problem sir. For there are 2 laws treated differently by God. The 10 were written by God with His own hand on stone and kept inside the ark of the testimony which represents the one in the heavenly sanctuary which is the very seat of God and are permanent. The Levitical laws were dictated by God, written by Moses on parchment and kept outside the ark.
The ark of the testimony, testament, is called that because it contain the commandments----those are in the heavenly sanctuary still.

Rev_11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

The Ten Commandments were for wicked unbelievers. The Two Great Commandments are activated in the hearts of believers by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Dave L]

That's baloney---the 10 commandments is what we are to keep---the 4th says nothing about heating yo9u house. You're confusing what was said----they heat their h9mes---the fires were light before the Sabbath---to this day, everything requiring lights and fires is done at least 18 minutes before sundown, including the ceremonial Sabbath candles.

Different communities have different customs as to how much time to add on to Shabbat, ranging from about 15 to 40 minutes. The most prevalent custom is to light the Shabbat candles 18 minutes before sunset.

Why Are Shabbat Candles Lit 18 Minutes Before Sunset?

You need to work the system to keep the Ten Commandments today.

 

[mmksparbud]

The Ten Commandments were for wicked unbelievers. The Two Great Commandments are activated in the hearts of believers by the Holy Spirit.

Well, you just go right ahead and stick to that. I will wait until God asks---What part of thou shalt not, and remember did you not understand? I will see what He thinks of your answer.

 

[mmksparbud]

You need to work the system to keep the Ten Commandments today.

What system is that? That is what Jews do---the 10 commandment Sabbath says nothing about that.

 

[Dave L]

What system is that? That is what Jews do---the 10 commandment Sabbath says nothing about that.

Try keeping it as originally given.

 

[Dave L]

Well, you just go right ahead and stick to that. I will wait until God asks---What part of thou shalt not, and remember did you not understand? I will see what He thinks of your answer.

The Ten Commandments are not for today. Are you sinning if you try to keep them?

 

[Jesse Johnson]

It would appear that this thread concerning Seventh-day Adventist end-time beliefs is now subject to an attempt of being derailed by an antinomian/once-saved-always-saved agenda to which Seventh-day Adventists do not subscribe.

God will test the loyalty of His people at the end of time with a deception about who they will serve.

Revelation 14
9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Joshua 24:15

 

[mmksparbud]

Try keeping it as originally given.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

OK---please tell me what you find so totally undoable.

 

[Dave L]

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

OK---please tell me what you find so totally undoable.

Not heating your house or going for a walk... no cooking ...etc.

 

[Jesse Johnson]

It is a truly remarkable and masterful deception that has convinced the faithful over the last 100 years that the ten commandments are a relic, a dead letter, a broken and defunct contract to which men have no obligation whatsoever.

It boggles the mind that in the late 20th century, Billy Graham had this to say about the perpetuity of God's Law:
(From his "My Answer" column)

Q:
Why do preachers like you try to get people to follow something like the Ten Commandments, which are thousands of years out of date? We live in a different world now, and we need to make up our own rules for living.
A:
God gave the Ten Commandments to us, and the reason is because He wants us to live good lives—lives that are peaceful and happy and productive. God isn’t a harsh, angry judge just waiting for us to get out of line so He can punish us. He is our loving Heavenly Father, who knows what is best for us.

I can’t help but wonder if you’ve ever actually read the Ten Commandments (you’ll find them in the Old Testament, in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5). If so, which would you throw out? Would you abandon the commandments against murder, or stealing, or lying, or unfaithfulness? Would you toss out the command to take care of our health and our environment by allowing for sufficient rest? Would you omit the commands against greed or the neglect of the elderly (especially our parents)? I seriously doubt if you’d abandon any of them, because the alternative is chaos.

However, I suspect your real problem with the Ten Commandments (or any other moral law in the Bible) is that you simply want to run your own life, apart from God. But is that wise? God made you, and He knows what is best for you. Why deceive yourself by thinking you’re wiser than God? The first commandment declares, “You shall have no other gods before me” (Exodus 20:3).

Face honestly your need for God’s forgiveness and wisdom—and then by faith commit your life to Jesus Christ. Jesus’ command is for you: “Come, follow me” (Matthew 4:19).

 

[Jesse Johnson]

Not heating your house or going for a walk... no cooking ...etc.

You've long ago crossed over into obnoxious behavior. You're completely ignoring the points made by other contributors and responding with short, challenging remarks that exhibit what I'm hoping is deliberate obtusity. I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds this inappropriate. I really wish you would cease and desist. If you don't want to be part of a meaningful conversation, what is your purpose in participating in such a curt and dismissive manner?

 

[Dave L]

You've long ago crossed over into obnoxious behavior. You're completely ignoring the points made by other contributors and responding with short, challenging remarks that exhibit what I'm hoping is deliberate obtusity. I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds this inappropriate. I really wish you would cease and desist. If you don't want to be part of a meaningful conversation, what is your purpose in participating in such a curt and dismissive manner?

Why not say you don't keep it as written?

 

[Jesse Johnson]

Why not say you don't keep it as written?

Case in point.