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For a different purpose. Besides, if Jesus said He would be with them always, then He may have cast the deciding vote.
It would be written.
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For a different purpose. Besides, if Jesus said He would be with them always, then He may have cast the deciding vote.
Those within the Apostles were left with the authourity to take care of such matters. No one complains about the decisions made by Paul's elders. I sense discrimination.It would be written.
Those within the Apostles were left with the authourity to take care of such matters. No one complains about the decisions made by Paul's elders. I sense discrimination.
The HS was being sent to keep them on the path of the Kingdom, not as the new boss. A ploy by those who wish to set Paul above the original gang in order to position themselves over the Jewish church.Not until they received the baptism of the Spirit.
The HS was being sent to keep them on the path of the Kingdom, not as the new boss. A ploy by those who wish to set Paul above the original gang in order to position themselves over the Jewish church.
The HS was being sent to keep them on the path of the Kingdom, not as the new boss. A ploy by those who wish to set Paul above the original gang in order to position themselves over the Jewish church.
You should be very scared in your self will or your free will.
So declaring an upgrade from disciple to apostle needed upper management? How does that replacement affect the Gospel of the Kingdom?What they did, they did without the Spirit's leading.
How does that replacement affect the Gospel of the Kingdom?
He was out of town and had already appointed someone else in the group to be in charge in the interim.
Lord Jesus replied with the explanation that God does it all.Again your quoting the verse out of context my friend.
“Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal." Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?" Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."”
John 6:27-29 NASB
WHAT SHALL WE DO so that WE
may work the works of God is the question being asked. So the context is that the work THEY must do is believe.
You wrote "it's obviously a preference", but "preference" is neither there explicitly nor implicitly.it’s obviously a preference.
“This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.”
John 3:19-20 NASB
Scripture is not silent, but very loud on the subject of freewill. But loudness is of no use to someone whose false doctrine makes him stone deaf.
Your hilarious self righteousness is leaking out there Kermos. We are all gonna die, just for not agreeing with you. Gulp.
But just to make it easy for you, here's an example of God demanding men make a freewill choice.-
Josh24v15And if it seems evil to you to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”
Choose, choose, choose, choose, did you read that Kermos, they were given a choice?
Yes I made a typo, but how dare you accuse me of having self will Kermos, you insist I don't have freewill and now you accuse me of using it!
Make your mind up man.
you keep skipping this question and I’ve asked it several times.
Now this is very crucial here to take into consideration. If like you say no one can believe unless God enables that person then how can those people be judged according to whether or not they believe if they are incapable of believing unless God has chosen them? How are these people who are not chosen by God justly punishable if they are INCAPABLE of believing? If they are incapable of believing then God’s expectation of them is IMPOSSIBLE for them to accomplish and His judgement upon them would be UNJUST.
Of your previously stated premise of limiting the words of Jesus to the apostles only, you persist in denial of you being one of Jesus' sheep, and a person with the Holy Spirit does not deny being one of Jesus' sheep.There were many disciples, but only 12 who were given the office of apostle at the beginning.
It appears you are rattled. There is much warning in scripture that causes people to be rattled - such as "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away" (John 15:2).Where in anything that I have said did you get the idea that I deny that God created everything?
You argue from your imagination. The scripture does not state that man has a free will to choose toward God. The Word of God is clear that God is our believer's merciful Benefactor, and we believers are unworthy beneficiaries (post in this thread).Just the opposite. Everything which means we and everything created, are God as God is all. That does not makes us separate from but extensions of God Himself with which He can experience Himself. Those who see themselves as outside of God are denying Him the privilege of working and seeing through them. They are non-functioning in the way originally intended when self awareness was not an issue. A repair plan is offered and a new system has been formed. But free will is still in play and those looking to upgrade must do so by choice or they will rust and become obsolete.
@Francis Drake @CharismaticLady BNR32FAN you and others like you claim to practice free-will choice towards God, and among you there are resounds a common refrain against the words of Jesus who says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) and "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19) both quotations of which refer to the exclusive role of God in the salvation of men.Nothing about this verse or the context that this verse was spoken even remotely suggests that a person cannot choose Christ. And you accuse us of “adding to scripture”? It’s no secret that Jesus hand picked these 11 men but nothing in the entire chapter suggests that a person is incapable of choosing to accept Christ. That’s an assumption that is not supported in the text my friend.