gentiles to keep from profaning the Sabbath -- even in the OT Sabbath made for mankind

[HARK!]

In this context you know that Paul is specifically addressing those who are circumcised
Rom 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

I didn't realize that circumcision was widespread amongst the Romans.

 

[HARK!]

Look at the Christ final words to His followers in Matthew, Mark and Luke's gospels and lets talk about it. I posted the great commission from Mark and Luke.

That's not the verse being discussed. The verse being discussed says what it says. It doesn't say what you want it to say; no matter how much you want it to say that.

 

[Cribstyl]

Remission of sins? What is sin?

Transgression of the LAW!

Repentance of sin is obedience to torah.

Lol, You have no scripture to stand on. That's a narrative from a false prophet.

 

[Cribstyl]

That's not the verse being discussed. The verse being discussed says what it says. It doesn't say what you want it to say; no matter how much you want it to say that.

Get the whole account Hark. The Matt 28 text talks about baptism in Father, Son and HS. Mark's account of the Great commission let's us know that believers with faith are the ones who are baptized. (No mention of law keepers )
Mar 16:15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

CLUE: If Jesus said He that believes and is baptized shall be saved, then my comments on the great commission is proven. Your argument about the law is what's questionable.

 

[Cribstyl]

I didn't realize that circumcision was widespread amongst the Romans.

Rom 1:7 ¶To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

This letter from Paul is addressed to Jews and Gentiles.

 

[HARK!]

Lol, You have no scripture to stand on. That's a narrative from a false prophet.

It's a narrative from someone who understands plain English, apparently not one of your strong suits.

I'll start with John's definition of sin:

1 John 3:4
King James 2000 Bible
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

From here on we'll need to consult a dictionary. BOOKS! They're not just for breakfast anymore!


trans·gress
/transˈɡres/
verb

1. infringe or go beyond the bounds of (a moral principle or other established standard of behavior): "she had transgressed an unwritten social law" synonyms misbehave, behave badly, break the law


Definition of repent

intransitive verb

1 : to turn from sin

Definition of obey
transitive verb

1 : to follow the commands or guidance of

If repent means to turn from sin
and sin is transgression of the law
and transgression of the law is breaking the law
and obey means to follow the law
then repenting from sin is obeying the law

 

[HARK!]

Rom 1:7 ¶To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

This letter from Paul is addressed to Jews and Gentiles.

It says that it's addressed to all in Rome. The greeting doesn't specifically address Jews. You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

 

[Cribstyl]

It's a narrative from someone who understands plain English, apparently not one of your strong suits.

I'll ignore the insult.

I'll start with John's definition of sin:

1 John 3:4
King James 2000 Bible
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

From here on we'll need to consult a dictionary. BOOKS! They're not just for breakfast anymore!


trans·gress
/transˈɡres/
verb

1. infringe or go beyond the bounds of (a moral principle or other established standard of behavior): "she had transgressed an unwritten social law" synonyms misbehave, behave badly, break the law


Definition of repent

intransitive verb

1 : to turn from sin

Definition of obey
transitive verb

1 : to follow the commands or guidance of

If repent means to turn from sin
and sin is transgression of the law
and transgression of the law is breaking the law
and obey means to follow the law
then repenting from sin is obeying the law

This does not help your Matt 28 arguments. and since you getting disrespectful I'm out.

 

[HARK!]

Your argument about the law is what's questionable.

Again, the verse says what it says. The empirical evidence is irrefutable.

 

[HARK!]

That's a narrative from a false prophet.

I'll ignore the insult.

I'm out.

Shalom

 

[Bob S]

Acts 18:21 New King James Version (NKJV)
21 but took leave of them, saying, “must by all means keep this coming feast in Jerusalem; but I will return again to you, God willing.” And he sailed from Ephesus.

Paul was not a gentile Hark. My question was: "Show me in the new covenant where gentiles are to keep the feasts". Surely you knew your answer is false. Some versions say he was going to the feast. None that I referenced described what feast and some versions don't even mention he was going to a feast. You referenced the CLV, does it mention feast?

 

[pasifika]

I already answered your question - you are not teaching people to love God. And you keep proving it every time you post.

Everyone think they can show their love for God by keeping the law (ten commandments )...no one have ever been able to keep this law Except Jesus Christ the Messiah...All those who think they can keep the law is to break it and make a mockery of the Law...because their actions are far from what the law is required...

As John said..anyone who hate his brother committed murder...so some people act outwardly in good manner but their hearts are full of hatred to others, and that is what the Law cannot do to us, it cannot change or cleansed us from our sins which making us do all those nasty things to others...
But Only by Faith which is by believing in Jesus Christ then we can show or do good works to others...
And that is where true love comes from...comes from your faith or believing in our Lord and Messiah...

To Love God is to Believe in His Son....

 

[Cribstyl]

so then -- dismissing all the "inconvenient scripture" above - we get...



Do you include Moses and Elijah in Matthew 17 - standing in glory with Christ -- in that sweeping assumption above?

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Gal 3:8 "the gospel was preached to Abraham"​

Heb 11
Moses "25 choosing rather to endure ill-treatment with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, 26 considering the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures of Egypt; for he was looking to the reward."

Heb 11
7 By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.​

Talking about dismissing scriptures. You're linking a false teaching by your partial quotes.
By partially quoting Gal 3:8, you intentionally omit that the gospel preached to Abraham was the saying " In thee shall all nations shall be blessed".​

Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal 3:10 ¶For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:13 ¶Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith

 

[Bob S]

It says that it's addressed to all in Rome. The greeting doesn't specifically address Jews. You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

How thoughtful! Not

 

[BobRyan]

Mark 2:27 says Sabbath is specifically made "for mankind"
Ex 20:11 says it began in Genesis 2 when it was sanctified for holy use.
Genesis 2:1-3 says the same.

Ex 20:8-11
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH) your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.


Gen 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.



Keep reading... it is not rocks that Keep the Sabbath holy - it is mankind

Mark 2:27 Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man (mankind), and not man (mankind) made for the Sabbath.

Both the Sabbath and mankind "made" in that 7 day week of Genesis 1-2:3


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"man does not live by bread alone" -- Matthew 4... another reference to "mankind"

444 ánthrōpos – man, also the generic term for "mankind"; the human race; people, including women and men (Mt 4:19, 12:12, etc.).

(That was easy)
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Isaiah 56;6-8 exists at the same time that the book of Exodus exists and all of it is the Word of God. including where God specifically singles out gentiles for Sabbath keeping blessings and in Isaiah 66:23 reminds us that the Sabbath is for "all mankind" just as in Mark 2:7.

"Mankind does not live by bread alone but by every WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God" is not a statement about "just Jews" or "just men and not women" as we all know.

Obviously



On the contrary - I quote that part of the Bible you don't quote - as you just demonstrated again for us in your response to that post of mine filled with Bible texts you don't quote at all - even as I quote the full 4th commandment and the full 7th day of creation week.

How "instructive" for the unbiased objective readers.

And that means "the New Covenant" is quoted by me as well.

Jer 31:31-33
31"The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 32It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. 33"This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 34No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

No wonder the Sabbath is a sign -- given to all mankind in Eden "made for mankind" Mark 2:27 where for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to Worship" Isaiah 66:23

Well as you read more of it - you will probably get used to seeing scripture posted.




Yes it is, so it is no wonder that scripture says - that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23



Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:11 already says that.

Mark 2:27 confirms - with the making of both the Sabbath and mankind seen in Genesis 1-2 and Mark 2:27 addressing both as well.

So by "noticing" that God linked the Sabbath commandment in Ex 20:8-11 and God's 7 days of creation, we simply demonstrate good attention to detail so unwelcome to some - they won't even quote it.

Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Gen 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

By not actually quoting those texts we can get to "you blur the line between God resting at creation and man .."

so then -- dismissing all the "inconvenient scripture" above - we get...

Israelites have never entered into God's rest.

Do you include Moses and Elijah in Matthew 17 - standing in glory with Christ -- in that sweeping assumption above?

Gal 3:8 "the gospel was preached to Abraham"

Heb 11
Moses "25 choosing rather to endure ill-treatment with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, 26 considering the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures of Egypt; for he was looking to the reward."

Heb 11
7 By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.

Talking about dismissing scriptures. You're linking a false teaching by your partial quotes.
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wishful thinking?

By partially quoting Gal 3:8, you intentionally omit that the gospel preached to Abraham was the saying " In thee shall all nations shall be blessed".

By ignoring the context of Gal 3:8 you are attempting a "two gospel" solution when clearly Gal 1:6-9 says there is only ONE Gospel - and that that one Gospel was "preached to Abraham" in Gal 3:8.

Christ Himself said "Abraham SAW My day and was glad"
Peter said that the OT saints were shown "the sufferings of Christ AND the glories to follow". 1 Peter 1:11

Bible details matter.
​

 

[Cribstyl]

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It says that t's addressed to all in Rome. The greeting doesn't specifically address Jews. You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

If a letter was address to all in America, would that include Jews and Gentiles? Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension.
If you cannot see that Paul was addressing Jews here in Rom 2:21-24, we'll never agree on anything.
Rom 2:21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
Rom 2:22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
Rom 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
Rom 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

Is it a secret to you that the gospel was to the Jews first?

 

[Cribstyl]

so then -- dismissing all the "inconvenient scripture" above - we get...



Do you include Moses and Elijah in Matthew 17 - standing in glory with Christ -- in that sweeping assumption above?

Gal 3:8 "the gospel was preached to Abraham"

Heb 11
Moses "25 choosing rather to endure ill-treatment with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, 26 considering the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures of Egypt; for he was looking to the reward."

Heb 11
7 By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.

wishful thinking?



By ignoring the context of Gal 3:8 you are attempting a "two gospel" solution when clearly Gal 1:6-9 says there is only ONE Gospel - and that that one Gospel was "preached to Abraham" in Gal 3:8.

Christ Himself said "Abraham SAW My day and was glad"
Peter said that the OT saints were shown "the sufferings of Christ AND the glories to follow". 1 Peter 1:11

Bible details matter.
​

Ha, your so-called inconvenient scriptures are a debunked theory.
No need to readdress your commentary with scriptures taken out of context.
mic drop

 

[BobRyan]

solid_core said: ↑
The Law of Moses was given to Israel only and for the period till the Christ came, only. Other nations had conscience as their inner law.

After Christ, there is only one way for all nations. Who stick to live under the Law is practically saying that Christ did not come and did not fulfill it.

The new covenant is with Israel only(Jeremiah 31:31-33), so if you use the “Israel only” excuse for why you should disobey God, then you automatically exclude yourself from the new covenant.
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Good point

You don't seem to know that God had a plan to save all nations of the world as prophesied in the Abrahamic covenant. (everlasting covenant)
Yes the new covenant was promised to the Children of Israel, but you're failing to recognized that God's plan was to include all nations. (circumcision and uncircumcision.)
Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

"He is not a Jew who is one outwardly" -- in Romans 2.

"27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God."

 

[Cribstyl]

"He is not a Jew who is one outwardly" -- in Romans 2.

"27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God."

True statement, similar to saying; Going to church regularly does not make you a Christian.
Circumcision is a sign that says "I will keep the law". Gal 5:1-6 confirms that righteousness by faith trumps righteousness by the law (circumcision).
Gal 5:1 ¶Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

 

[Cribstyl]

Gal 5:1 ¶Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

It seems clear that Paul is teaching us that God has given us a way to be righteous, apart from the law. Paul is teaching: Those who rely on the law, rejects God's gospel of grace. God's requires righteousness by faith.
Snap out of it.