Why is it ok to be a fat pastor but not a gay pastor?

[johnflinst]

In reply to the OP...

For one thing, it is not necessarily the case that being overweight is a result of gluttony. Nor even voluntary.

Homosexual acts are, however, a matter of choice.

for the majority of people it is a choice, so not sure how that is different?

 

[rockytopva]

The fat pastor - It takes a lot of study for the ministry. As this is not a great way to burn calories obesity ought to be understandable as we all have varied metabolisms.
The gay pastor - This is outright fornication and is condemnable.

 

[Gregorikos]

The bible clearly states that gluttony is a sin and that the body is a temple of the holy spirit and should be honored.

It would seem then that people who are overweight are clearly in sin (barring medical conditions)

So why is it acceptable to be a fat pastor in sin, but not a gay pastor in sin?

Because God never destroyed a whole city over people being fat.

Because the Bible never says obesity is an abomination.

Because the Bible never says fat people will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

But the Bible does clearly say:

1 Corinthians 6:9 (NRSV)
Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[johnflinst]

I don’t think being fat means that person has sin, or has necessary committed gluttony (is characterized by a limitless appetite for food and drink and overindulgence to the point where one is no…). But anyway, at least that person knows for what different body parts are for. If person would try to eat through his ear, because it is also hole in the head, I would think that could be compared to having gay sex.

ah yes, the sin of eating through your ear. that's a big one

 

[johnflinst]

The fat pastor - It takes a lot of study for the ministry. As this is not a great way to burn calories obesity ought to be understandable as we all have varied metabolisms.
The gay pastor - This is outright fornication and is condemnable.

so now you are defending sin? funny how sin is relative to those it affects.

 

[johnflinst]

Because God never destroyed a whole city over people being fat.

Because the Bible never says obesity is an abomination.

Because the Bible never says fat people will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:9 (NRSV)
Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.

probably because there weren't many fat people back then

 

[johnflinst]

1 Corinthians 6:9 (NRSV)
Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.

All that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you. Leviticus 9:10

When a woman has a discharge, if her discharge in her body is blood, she shall continue in her menstrual impurity for seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. Everything also on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean, and everything on which she sits shall be unclean. Leviticus 15: 19-2

When men fight with one another, and the wife of the one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand. Deuteronomy 25:11-12

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

The bible clearly states that gluttony is a sin and that the body is a temple of the holy spirit and should be honored.

The context of that passage was talking about - wait for it - sexual immorality.

 

[HTacianas]

so you'll condemn a gay person sinning but not a fat person sinning...hmmm

Just so we're on the same page here, what is the penalty for overeating under the old law? Paul said of baptism:

Act 13:39 - “and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

 

[rockytopva]

Look at sexual gratification as means of selling out the things of eternal significance.

15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears. - Hebrews 12:15-17

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, - 1 Corinthians 6:9

 

[Shrewd Manager]

I love my fat gay pastor!

 

[rockytopva]

I would also say here that it is much more professional looking to keep oneself in good shape. And I would call it virtuous and wise to be disciplined in the diet and in exercise.

 

[HARK!]

but if you are born gay, how is that not the natural order of things?

https://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/TheBornGayHoax.pdf

 

[rockytopva]

Paul preferred the family man for leadership possibilities. Let’s look at some qualifications of leadership....

This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous.... - 1 Timothy 3:1-3

Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well - 1 Timothy 3:12

For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. - Titus 1:5-6

 

[klutedavid]

We do not look at a fat priest and judge him. That is up to his bishop. Gluttony is a private sin best left to his father confessor. Homosexuality is a public sin demonstrating that a person has fallen away from the faith.

It is the same to say of a homosexual priest who does not flaunt his sin. It is left to the bishop.

Gluttony is a form of worldliness and so is the desire for wealth.

Not much difference between gluttony and homosexuality.

Proverbs 23:2
And put a knife to your throat If you are a man of great appetite.

Deuteronomy 21:20
They shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.’

Proverbs 23:20
Do not be with heavy drinkers of wine, or with gluttonous eaters of meat;

Proverbs 23:21
For the heavy drinker and the glutton will come to poverty, and drowsiness will clothe one with rags.

Proverbs 28:7
He who keeps the law is a discerning son, But he who is a companion of gluttons humiliates his father.

Matthew 11:19
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ Yet wisdom is vindicated by her deeds.”

Luke 7:34
The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’

Titus 1:12
One of themselves, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.”

Philippians 3:18-20
For many walk, of whom I often told you, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ, whose end is destruction, whose god is their appetite.

 

[redleghunter]

I've seen plenty of fat Christians stuffing themselves at buffets and restaurants, often in a group of other Christians.

not sure I see your point

Did you pray for them and lead them to the salad bar? If not take a look at your active discipleship.

 

[johnflinst]

Did you pray for them and lead them to the salad bar? If not take a look at your active discipleship.

I'm the one asking questions here.

 

[johnflinst]

https://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/TheBornGayHoax.pdf

Ah, it's all just one big hoax. Let me go tell the gay people how dumb they are

 

[klutedavid]

In reply to the OP...

For one thing, it is not necessarily the case that being overweight is a result of gluttony. Nor even voluntary.

Homosexual acts are, however, a matter of choice.

Every obese person I have ever known loved food and usually they loved the food groups that were unhealthy.

Stuffing your face with Uber meals is a choice.

Drinking energy drinks is a choice also.

 

[johnflinst]

I love that most people are either claiming homosexuality is a "worse" sin or defending overeating

 

[section9+1]

I'm no pastor and being fat doesn't automatically mean glutton. A year and a half ago I was at what I considered to be 55 pounds above my ideal weight. I changed my eating habits. I eat better food and I time my meals better and snack less. I have lost at least 40 pounds. I am big boned and carry my weight well. No one would call me overweigh now. Yet the actual quantity of the food I put in my mouth every day has not changed. So now I am not a glutton but a year and a half ago I was even though my eating has not lessened? There are all kinds of nuances to consider when it comes to ingesting food. Gluttony can also mean a passion for other excesses besides food. While I know everyone wants to feel good about themselves including fat people, I still think that given a choice would a fat person rather be fat or not I think the vast majority would like to lose some weight if they could just will it to be. There are no fat pride parades that I know of. Putting evil for good is just as great a sin as the evils one does and I think that's the biggest reason Christians push back so hard against it. It isn't so much the sin (we all sin at something) but the justification of the sin is where the evil is greatest.