AD 30 to AD 70 – end of Old Covenant?

[Christian Gedge]

The opening post is my response to a common assumption that the Old Covenant ended when the Jewish temple was destroyed in AD 70.

There have been several misconceptions concerning the forty-year period between the crucifixion of Christ and the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans in AD 70. Both arise from competing interpretations of Daniel’s prophecy of the 70 weeks. (Daniel 9:24-27)

• The first misconception comes from those who believe that Daniel’s 70th week was unhooked from the other weeks and sent to the future. In their argument with those who say that the weeks were contiguous they ask, “but how can the 70th week stretch over forty years to include the events of Christ’s ministry as well as the destruction of Jerusalem?” (verse 27)

The answer is quite simple. The fall of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple did not take place within the actual seventy weeks; the prophet was simply providing information of the aftermath to the weeks in order to explain what the eventual outcome would be.

• The second misconception comes from those who wish to magnify the importance of the AD 70 event. Their reasoning is that sacrifice of animals completely stopped then. Therefore, that must have been when the Old Covenant completely ceased! Tied into this reasoning is their interpretation of the ‘last days.’ They are the days (in their view) that lead up to the termination of the Mosaic order in AD 70.

I would like us to discuss this second point with any who are interested. In the meanwhile, please do the poll: (up to 3 answers allowed)

 

[SkyWriting]

The opening post is my response to a common assumption that the Old Covenant ended when the Jewish temple was destroyed in AD 70.

There have been several misconceptions concerning the forty-year period between the crucifixion of Christ and the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans in AD 70. Both arise from competing interpretations of Daniel’s prophecy of the 70 weeks. (Daniel 9:24-27)

• The first misconception comes from those who believe that Daniel’s 70th week was unhooked from the other weeks and sent to the future. In their argument with those who say that the weeks were contiguous they ask, “but how can the 70th week stretch over forty years to include the events of Christ’s ministry as well as the destruction of Jerusalem?” (verse 27)

The answer is quite simple. The fall of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple did not take place within the actual seventy weeks; the prophet was simply providing information of the aftermath to the weeks in order to explain what the eventual outcome would be.

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• The second misconception comes from those who wish to magnify the importance of the AD 70 event. Their reasoning is that sacrifice of animals completely stopped then. Therefore, that must have been when the Old Covenant completely ceased! Tied into this reasoning is their interpretation of the ‘last days.’ They are the days (in their view) that lead up to the termination of the Mosaic order in AD 70.

I would like us to discuss this second point with any who are interested. In the meanwhile, please do the poll: (up to 3 answers allowed)

Jesus did bring the New Covenant of Grace over written law from God.
I don't remember the exact day.

 

[pasifika]

The opening post is my response to a common assumption that the Old Covenant ended when the Jewish temple was destroyed in AD 70.

There have been several misconceptions concerning the forty-year period between the crucifixion of Christ and the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans in AD 70. Both arise from competing interpretations of Daniel’s prophecy of the 70 weeks. (Daniel 9:24-27)

• The first misconception comes from those who believe that Daniel’s 70th week was unhooked from the other weeks and sent to the future. In their argument with those who say that the weeks were contiguous they ask, “but how can the 70th week stretch over forty years to include the events of Christ’s ministry as well as the destruction of Jerusalem?” (verse 27)

The answer is quite simple. The fall of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple did not take place within the actual seventy weeks; the prophet was simply providing information of the aftermath to the weeks in order to explain what the eventual outcome would be.

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• The second misconception comes from those who wish to magnify the importance of the AD 70 event. Their reasoning is that sacrifice of animals completely stopped then. Therefore, that must have been when the Old Covenant completely ceased! Tied into this reasoning is their interpretation of the ‘last days.’ They are the days (in their view) that lead up to the termination of the Mosaic order in AD 70.

I would like us to discuss this second point with any who are interested. In the meanwhile, please do the poll: (up to 3 answers allowed)

Hello, the chart must show in sequence of events according to Daniel 9.... ie Daniel 9:25 follow by Daniel 9:26, then Daniel 9:27....

 

[Andrewn]

I would like us to discuss this second point with any who are interested.

First, I have to say there is more evidence that Christ was crucified in 33 AD. Second, what is it that happened 3 1/2 years later that you call "Gospel to the Gentiles?"

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Hebrews 9:
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

I always thought it was when Jesus ascended to heaven to place his blood on the altar in heaven --- Hebrews 9.

Why is my understanding wrong?

 

[Douggg]

I voted when Jesus said "It is finished."

But the phrasing of the question, imo, should have been different to... When did the Mt. Sinai covenant end as God's provision for Israel in dealing with sin? There were other promises made to Israel under the Mt. Sinai covenant regarding them being given the promised land as theirs forever.

 

[Andrewn]

I always thought it was when Jesus ascended to heaven to place his blood on the altar in heaven --- Hebrews 9. Why is my understanding wrong?

Jesus entered the heavenly temple when he said "it's finished" on the cross.

 

[Charlie24]

The opening post is my response to a common assumption that the Old Covenant ended when the Jewish temple was destroyed in AD 70.

There have been several misconceptions concerning the forty-year period between the crucifixion of Christ and the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans in AD 70. Both arise from competing interpretations of Daniel’s prophecy of the 70 weeks. (Daniel 9:24-27)

• The first misconception comes from those who believe that Daniel’s 70th week was unhooked from the other weeks and sent to the future. In their argument with those who say that the weeks were contiguous they ask, “but how can the 70th week stretch over forty years to include the events of Christ’s ministry as well as the destruction of Jerusalem?” (verse 27)

The answer is quite simple. The fall of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple did not take place within the actual seventy weeks; the prophet was simply providing information of the aftermath to the weeks in order to explain what the eventual outcome would be.

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• The second misconception comes from those who wish to magnify the importance of the AD 70 event. Their reasoning is that sacrifice of animals completely stopped then. Therefore, that must have been when the Old Covenant completely ceased! Tied into this reasoning is their interpretation of the ‘last days.’ They are the days (in their view) that lead up to the termination of the Mosaic order in AD 70.

I would like us to discuss this second point with any who are interested. In the meanwhile, please do the poll: (up to 3 answers allowed)

The Holy Spirit could not come and dwell in man until Christ was glorified.

But the glorification of Christ could not come full circle until the Holy Spirit came to dwell in man. I think they both happened at the same time.

I believe the New Covenant could not begin until the Holy Spirit came to dwell permanently in man on the day of Pentecost.

I believe the Holy Spirit came to dwell in man permanently, Jesus was completely glorified, and the Church began on the day of Pentecost.

 

[Ronald]

The opening post is my response to a common assumption that the Old Covenant ended when the Jewish temple was destroyed in AD 70.

There have been several misconceptions concerning the forty-year period between the crucifixion of Christ and the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans in AD 70. Both arise from competing interpretations of Daniel’s prophecy of the 70 weeks. (Daniel 9:24-27)

• The first misconception comes from those who believe that Daniel’s 70th week was unhooked from the other weeks and sent to the future. In their argument with those who say that the weeks were contiguous they ask, “but how can the 70th week stretch over forty years to include the events of Christ’s ministry as well as the destruction of Jerusalem?” (verse 27)

The answer is quite simple. The fall of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple did not take place within the actual seventy weeks; the prophet was simply providing information of the aftermath to the weeks in order to explain what the eventual outcome would be.

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• The second misconception comes from those who wish to magnify the importance of the AD 70 event. Their reasoning is that sacrifice of animals completely stopped then. Therefore, that must have been when the Old Covenant completely ceased! Tied into this reasoning is their interpretation of the ‘last days.’ They are the days (in their view) that lead up to the termination of the Mosaic order in AD 70.

I would like us to discuss this second point with any who are interested. In the meanwhile, please do the poll: (up to 3 answers allowed)

I agree with the majority, Jesus death finished the OT. Actually, John the Baptist was the last prophet of the Old Testament as well.
I would even go further to suggest (not sure though) that the Holy Spirit did not occupy the Temple WHEN Jesus was baptised with the Holy Spirit. It begs the question, Why would the Holy Spirit dwell in a man-made Temple and Jesus simultaneously? Why would animal sacrifices be accepted during Jesus ministry? Jesus did not fulfill the Law and the Prophets all on the cross, He finished it on the cross, but most the prophecies and laws were fulfilled during His ministry.

 

[Christian Gedge]

First, I have to say there is more evidence that Christ was crucified in 33 AD.

AD 30 and AD 33 are both well supported, but my focus is whether or not the Old Covenant fully and completely ended forty years earlier than the destruction of the temple. ‘Happy to discuss exact crucifixion date on a separate thread if you like.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Second, what is it that happened 3 1/2 years later that you call "Gospel to the Gentiles?"

The outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the Gentiles in Acts 10.

It may come as a surprise to some, but the ending of the 70th week is all about Gentiles. Such an idea appears contradictory at first because the angel spoke of ‘your people’ when referring to Daniel’s people, the Jews. Yes, the angel did say, “Seventy weeks are determined for your people ...” but that is the whole point. Israel is about the Gentiles! Israel was the vehicle so to speak, by which salvation would come to the world. That was the ‘covenant’ originally promised to Abraham, and confirmed by Christ during the 70th week.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Jesus did not fulfill the Law and the Prophets all on the cross, He finished it on the cross, but most the prophecies and laws were fulfilled during His ministry.

And, I submit, during the ministry of the apostles in the last half of the seventieth week. (see O.P. diagram)

 

[jgr]

John 19
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

 

[Andrewn]

The outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the Gentiles in Acts 10.

There is nothing to indicate that this happened 3 1/2 years later. But it's possible. I'm not a dispensationalist. I believe Christ was crucified in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel and wasn't sure what constituted the end of the 70th week.

You're saying no gentiles received the Holy Spirit for 3 1/2 years. You probably mean to exclude the God-fearers mentioned in Acts 6 & 8 and the Samaritans mentioned in Acts 8 and Paul mentioned in Acts 9.

I'll accept the episode with Cornelius as the terminus, perhaps with a grain of salt .

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

shalom.....

 

[mkgal1]

Second, what is it that happened 3 1/2 years later that you call "Gospel to the Gentiles?"

Immediately after Steven's stoning is recorded in Acts 7 - Acts 8 says this:

Acts 8:1 ~
Saul Persecutes the Church
8 Saul was in hearty agreement with putting him to death.

And on that day a great persecution began against the church in Jerusalem, and they were all scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles.​

 

[keras]

I didn't vote, as none of your options, CG, are right.
When the scriptures about the New Covenant, Jeremiah 31:31-34, Hebrews 8:8-12, are read carefully and properly, it is obvious it has not yet happened.

The Gospels confirm Jesus Christ as the unique Davidic descendant who will one day rule the world from Jerusalem.
First-century Israel failed to enthrone Jesus, so they lost the covenantal blessings. Such a rejection not only led to first-century Israel’s loss of the Kingdom blessings, Matthew 21:43, but also to a long interim age of two thousand years; when the earthly Davidic line would be kept hidden. Luke 19:11-27

During this time of postponement, the ascended Christ has been elevated to the Father’s right hand. Acts 2:33-34; Psalms 110:1 In this position of glory, Jesus continues His ministry spiritually, in which He functions as priest and our Comforter. Matthew 28:20

Many years elapsed between David’s anointing as king and when David actually began to reign after Saul’s death. In the same way, Christ has been anointed at His Ascension as the one who will ultimately fulfill the Davidic Covenant. However, He will not begin to actually rule as Davidic king until the nations are made His footstool, Hebrews 10:12-13, and Satan has finally been deposed at the inauguration of the Messiah’s earthly kingdom. Revelation 20:1-3

Revelation 3:21 He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Those trusting in Christ will be rewarded (future tense) by joining Him in His earthly reign, Revelation 5:10a, just as Christ overcame and sat down (past tense) on His Father’s heavenly throne. Nowhere is it said that we humans go to live in heaven.

During the future glorious one-thousand year era, everything that was promised in the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants will find a literal fulfilment when Christ will rule the world from Jerusalem. This earthly kingdom will then merge into the Eternal State, fulfilling the Davidic Covenant’s eternal requirement. 1 Corinthians 15:24

 

[jgr]

I didn't vote, as none of your options, CG, are right.
When the scriptures about the New Covenant, Jeremiah 31:31-34, Hebrews 8:8-12, are read carefully and properly, it is obvious it has not yet happened.

The Gospels confirm Jesus Christ as the unique Davidic descendant who will one day rule the world from Jerusalem.
First-century Israel failed to enthrone Jesus, so they lost the covenantal blessings. Such a rejection not only led to first-century Israel’s loss of the Kingdom blessings, Matthew 21:43, but also to a long interim age of two thousand years; when the earthly Davidic line would be kept hidden. Luke 19:11-27

During this time of postponement, the ascended Christ has been elevated to the Father’s right hand. Acts 2:33-34; Psalms 110:1 In this position of glory, Jesus continues His ministry spiritually, in which He functions as priest and our Comforter. Matthew 28:20

Many years elapsed between David’s anointing as king and when David actually began to reign after Saul’s death. In the same way, Christ has been anointed at His Ascension as the one who will ultimately fulfill the Davidic Covenant. However, He will not begin to actually rule as Davidic king until the nations are made His footstool, Hebrews 10:12-13, and Satan has finally been deposed at the inauguration of the Messiah’s earthly kingdom.

Revelation 3:21 He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Those trusting in Christ will be rewarded (future tense) by joining Him in His earthly reign, Revelation 5:10a, just as Christ overcame and sat down (past tense) on His Father’s heavenly throne. Nowhere is it said that we humans go to live in heaven.

During the future glorious one-thousand year era, everything that was promised in the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants will find a literal fulfilment when Christ will rule the world from Jerusalem. This earthly kingdom will then merge into the Eternal State, fulfilling the Davidic Covenant’s eternal requirement. 1 Corinthians 15:24

Did you overlook these Scriptures, keras?

The New Covenant/Testament came into full force and effect immediately upon the death of the Divine Testator.

John 19
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

 

[keras]

Did you overlook these Scriptures, keras?

The New Covenant/Testament came into full force and effect immediately upon the death of the Divine Testator.

Explain then; Are His Laws written in our hearts? Is the Lord now our sole God and we His only people?
Do we all 'know Him', and have we received pardon for our sinful deeds?

You may say we have, but in truth; we have only had the Promise of a future fulfilment of these things.

 

[jgr]

Explain then; Are His Laws written in our hearts? Is the Lord now our sole God and we His only people?
Do we all 'know Him', and have we received pardon for our sinful deeds?

You may say we have, but in truth; we have only had the Promise of a future fulfilment of these things.

Explain then; what does Hebrews 9:15-17 mean?

The answer to every one of your questions is "yes" for those in Christ. (2 Corinthians 1:20)