Adam and Eve and the Garden paradise was all a "special creation" in a certain specific "region" of or in the earth, made on or during day 6, that was not supposed to be subject to death or dying (or sin) at that time, but when Adam and Eve fell, all of it fell, and became different, and that all changed, and they were kicked out to join the rest of what was already happening and/or going on outside of the Garden of Eden... (and that place was "sealed off" so none could ever find it or enter into it ever again, etc)... (possibly allowed to pass away and/or was made to no longer be maybe, or disappear or was removed in the earth, etc, after that, etc)... (again, no one really knows on that or those points, other than it no longer exists here now, etc)...
I believe the creation covered the entire globe with the Garden of Eden being the special home for Adam and Eve because it contained the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I don't believe anywhere was subject to death, in or out of the garden.
I don't believe the rest of the world was in death and struggle because God said it was all very good.
31 God saw
all that he had made, and it was
very good.
Not some, not just the garden, but all.
Death only came into existence after Adam sinned, so it's impossible for death to be outside of the garden at the same time as Adam is enjoying his immortal life in the garden.
Romans 5:12
12 Therefore, just as
sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—
Weeds, thorns, disease, ageing that leads to death was a curse because of Adam's sin.
Genesis 3
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
These were not a part of the world God created as none of those things is good.
Why does it all appear to be much, much older than six of our literal days or a literal six thousand years,or to have all been made or come about in only six of our literal days, etc...?
If you have read my posts you will see I have mentioned the
possibility of a gap. Not as the 'gap theorists' use to claim evolution but to say the world may have sat void and unchanging for some time before God started the creation week. I see nothing in scripture that alludes to it but at least this does not destroy the doctrine of no death before sin or any other doctrine. So it's
possible this is the cause of the old age. Not that I need it, to me it is also just as likely that science has this wrong as well, but if there was a gap this doesn't bother me.
When referring to 6 thousand, (which by the way isn't the only figure creationists hold to, but seems to be the only one ever mentioned by those against special creation) It's actually 6-20 thousand depending on who you are talking to. This is meant from the creation week. Now of course if there was no gap this would indeed be 6-20 thousand from the opening of Genesis 1
In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
If God didn't begin creating right away but the world was left void, this time period could be anything.
Now, was God intending to deceive us or lie to us with this, etc, or is there "another explanation", etc...?
Numbers 23:19
19 “God is not a man, that He should lie,
Man however, is a lier. Whether he intends to be or not. Mankind not satisfied with God's word, he digs and experiments and assumes things. Instead of questioning why something appears to be outside of the Biblical framework he assumes that he is correct and that God's word is wrong. Which is pride. Pride is at the root of most sin. For one they assume the world they are testing is how the world has always been, when God tells us plainly that it is not. The natural man is not interested in God or his word.
1 Corinthians 2:14
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
The natural man sees fossils that are similar and says this
must be because they descended from each other. They
must have changed and evolved into each new thing Because he knows. Man has stated that this is a fact because he claims it to be. He knows more than God, in fact he's so advanced he doesn't need God at all. Pride, all pride.
Genesis 4
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
Satan got Eve with pride and nothing has changed. Man is still looking to be like God.
The natural man with his degree shows his 'proof' because his test must be infallible.
It isn't God who is deceiving but mankind deceived himself.
People whose hearts are hard who rejoice in their sin, God withdraws in some way and lets them 'wallow in it' for want of a better word.
12 But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the Lord had said to Moses.
Romans 1:24
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.
I believe the effects of the flood is a delusion for people who don't want to look at the possibility that the evidence before them could have more than one explanation. The water vapour canopy came down leaving the world subject to space radiation, volcanoes erupted causing lighting and electricity across the earth along with water that covered the mountains. The world, some of its laws and its decay rates and other things changed from creation to after the flood.
Those fossils with similarities? How about God simply made them that way? Why is that impossible?
Jeremiah 32:27
"I am the LORD, the God of all mankind. Is anything too hard for me?
The only reason they say "No it must mean common descent" is because they want it to be. They are not only blind but hardened and filled with their own pride and abilites.
But, yeah, believe whatever you want to believe I guess, I for one will not think God a liar, or a deceiver, etc...
But you can call Him that if you want to, K... God Bless!
And I think it's sad that God beliving people such as yourself side so easily and quickly with man. Yes, science can be very convincing, but man knows nothing really.
Psalm 103
As a father has compassion on his children,
so the Lord has compassion on those who fear him;
14 for he knows how we are formed,
he remembers that we are dust.
15 The life of mortals is like grass,
they flourish like a flower of the field;
16 the wind blows over it and it is gone,
I do not call God a liar and I think that is rather a low thing for you to say.
It is not me but God's word that said this
2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.
Don't be deceived by man.
Matthew 24:24
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
I am sure far greater delusions will be seen than evolution. If mankind is so easily deceived when the counterclaim is right there is scripture in plain print to be read, how much more will he be fooled when demons pose as aliens from outer space or other wonders happen? I am quite sure that whatever happens there will be strong 'proof'. This is what people hunger for these days, measurable, testable proof. Again that still comes back to pride.
John 20:29
Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
I am hoping you might think on this a little.
