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Eliminating one of the most powerful, well known terrorist in the world; one who was designated a terrorist by multiple countries and the UN - one who orchestrated numerous attacks on his own countrymen and foreign nations - one who was in another nation to coordinated terrorist attacks - how does removing him make anywhere less safe?

When allow your country to murder anyone without first conducting a trial and presenting evidence, you've put yourself in more danger than if you let that terrorist live. It's sad to me that you can't see that.
 
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When allow your country to murder anyone without first conducting a trial and presenting evidence, you've put yourself in more danger than if you let that terrorist live. It's sad to me that you can't see that.

He is recognized enemy combatant, has been a ‘target of opportunity’ for more than a decade.

It is not murder. It is also sad to me that there is more care for him than the thousands he has killed.
 
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For the past 75 years (since World War II) nations have operated on the MAD theory. That is, no one can win a war for fear of total destruction, for if one country sends a nuclear weapon, so will the other and therefore its a lose-lose situation where both countries suffer total destruction, called Mutual Assured Destruction.

But some have theorized that mind-set is about to end. Why? Because more and more nations are getting the nuclear capability so as not to be left out. Therefore the chance that a rogue nation will make a careless decision it increased dramatically. But let's pray that it does not happen. I don't think it will, since logically a nation knows that they will not survive if nuclear capable nations turn on them. Therefore, just like we're seeing now, the strategy used seems to depend on smaller range missiles designed to take out particular enemies at specific locations. Of course, that's also dangerous, and some nation may decide to retaliate in a more widespread way.

I'm interested in what others here think of the role of modern technology. I believe its growing so fast that it may soon make the MAD philosophy obsolete and the onset of drone technology may overtake it. In other words, guns replaced arrows, tanks replaced horses, and advanced technology will replace nuclear weapons. Right now, our country, Russia, China and others are racing to develop them.

But God still has everything under control, and only He can decide their fates. All plans must develop so that the final outcome, as described in Revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel, and others must occur.
 
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He is recognized enemy combatant, has been a ‘target of opportunity’ for more than a decade.

Based on reports which could easily brought into a court of law if they are so factual.

It is not murder. It is also sad to me that there is more care for him than the thousands he has killed.

Never mind the thousands killed by our government based on flimsy evidence. You could care less about that. We invaded and toppled Iraq based on a lie. That should make you wary when the government says it has evidence. Where are all those nukes and WMDs anyway?

What did Anwar Ahlaki's son do that he deserved to be murdered by us? He was 16 years old. What did his little 8 year old sister do that she deserved to be shot in the neck by our soldiers and left to bleed to death?

What evidence or report would justify that?
 
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He is recognized enemy combatant, has been a ‘target of opportunity’ for more than a decade.

It is not murder. It is also sad to me that there is more care for him than the thousands he has killed.

It's true. This guy was a monster. Hopefully, something changed to convince our intelligence people that it wouldn't make things worse by killing him. Our military leaders and intelligence people didn't "care for him." He was alive only because the consensus was that killing him would provoke even more trouble from Iran's surrogates.

We can only hope that something made wiser to kill him than to let him live, and it wasn't merely an attempt to take the pressure off Trump.
 
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what court would this play out in?

Wouldn't have to. Obama killed scores of scum like him. Only concern is that Iran might feel the need to do something stupid to avenge him.
 
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what court would this play out in?


You think that you are somehow making your argument stronger? All you're really doing is proving the unreliability and fake nature of government.

Given that you seem aware of how faulty and error-prone government is when it comes to accusations, why are you so willing to believe the government when it accuses somebody of terrorism?
 
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It's true. This guy was a monster.

Based on reports from governments which have proven themselves quite incapable of presenting the truth. If he was such a monster, capturing him and putting him on trial would have been far more just and less dangerous.
 
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Based on reports from governments which have proven themselves quite incapable of presenting the truth. If he was such a monster, capturing him and putting him on trial would have been far more just and less dangerous.

True. It would have been better, but grabbing someone in the military service of another nation has even more problems.

This looks like an incredibly reckless move right now. Hopefully, our intelligence people properly assessed this one, and Trump followed their advice.
 
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True. It would have been better, but grabbing someone in the military service of another nation has even more problems.

But we should never use such an excuse to commit murder.
This looks like an incredibly reckless move right now. Hopefully, our intelligence people properly assessed this one, and Trump followed their advice.

Even if their assessment was true, Trump just stepped in it. Obama did the same thing when he killed a 16 year US citizen with a drone. Trump ordered a Seal operation that murdered his 8 year old sister. We are so messed up and it is sad that we defend such things.
 
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According to Romans 13:4, government is supposed to punish the evildoer. It is a “minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.” So while Romans 12:17-19 tells the believer to, “never…pay back evil for evil,” and “never take your own revenge.” It’s not that God is telling us to forget or ignore injustice. God will exercise vengeance now or later, and government, properly executed, is one of His instruments for doing this.

Similarly, 1 Peter 2:13-14 says,

Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution; whether to a king or one in authority, or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right.

Note again that this summary of government’s role gives primacy to the rule of law, or punishing evil and that is exactly what Trump did when he ordered the strike against this evil man.

Does it make people less safe? Our inherent safety is not something the Bible tells us to be concerned with, our primary purpose is to live Christian lives regardless of what happens in the world.

I find it doubtful it will make anyone less safe, but rather, might turn into a great benefit for those people most affected by Suleimani.... certainly however, it won't make his followers feel love for us, as they see us as their enemies both before this man's death just like they will after, but that is to be expected as they don't worship our God.
 
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I find it doubtful it will make anyone less safe, but rather, might turn into a great benefit for those people most affected by Suleimani.... certainly however, it won't make his followers feel love for us, as they see us as their enemies both before this man's death just like they will after, but that is to be expected as they don't worship our God.

Any time you allow your government to murder without due process of law, you've made yourself a potential target of its wrath.
 
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Any time you allow your government to murder without due process of law, you've made yourself a potential target of its wrath.

Trump did not one thing outside the scope of presidential authority given him by congress itself, so it's a poor argument...

You can cheer or you can decide it was a mistake, but it's within the scope of presidential authority to do so.
 
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Trump did not one thing outside the scope of presidential authority given him by congress itself, so it's a poor argument...

Show me in the constitution where any president is given authority to assassinate anyone.
This ought to be interesting.
 
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Show me in the constitution where any president is given authority to assassinate anyone.
This ought to be interesting.

It's law, duly processed, granted by congress, that the president has this authority..

I'm not arguing.
 
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You think that you are somehow making your argument stronger? All you're really doing is proving the unreliability and fake nature of government.

Given that you seem aware of how faulty and error-prone government is when it comes to accusations, why are you so willing to believe the government when it accuses somebody of terrorism?

I am not making any argument at all

you said you would rather he was tried and found guilty. Ok

What court of law has the jurisdiction to do so?
 
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I am not making any argument at all

you said you would rather he was tried and found guilty. Ok

What court of law has the jurisdiction to do so?

The Senate. But that has no bearing at all on this question.
 
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It's law, duly processed, granted by congress, that the president has this authority..

I'm not arguing.

You're just proving your ignorance. Cite the law. And answer the question originally posed. Unconstitutional laws have no legal force.
 
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