Trump's Attack

[Always in His Presence]

The Senate. But that has no bearing at all on this question.

I think you are mistaken. The Senate does not have the judicial power to try a foreign person for anything.

unless you can show me a link stating they can.

 

[Gwendolynz]

If you believe some of the Christians who post here, grace is what gives us the ability to sin like crazy and party like it's 1999.

If I believe in Him, I am a new creature...

 

[Gwendolynz]

He's revealed in Scripture that he hates murder and war crimes. Why would more violence be God's will for us?

I didn't say it was.

 

[Hazelelponi]

You're just proving your ignorance. Cite the law. And answer the question originally posed. Unconstitutional laws have no legal force.

I'm confused as to what constitutional law you feel was broken... truly I am.

We are in Iraq, there in wartime by congressional authority and by the permission of the Iraqi government, moreover, we have the legal right to self defense. The present military operations was ordered under a previous president - president Obama - and our operations today is a continuation of the same. Iranian backed militias attacked U.S. troops lawfully present in a combat zone under valid legal authorities. America's military response isn't limited to immediate self defense, we can also act to remove an active threat. That threat includes enemy commanders.

The true act of war was thus Iran's by putting one of its commanders, boots on the ground, in Iraq to assist in planning and directing attacks on U.S. forces. America is entitled to respond to that threat.

So my question to you is this - where in the constitution does it say our president didn't have this authority?

Your the one challenging this, so where is your proof that the president of the United States doesnt have the right to defend U.S. troops and our embassy (an embassy is sovereign U.S. soil) in a time of war by killing commanders plotting further attacks against us?

 

[Always in His Presence]

I'm confused as to what constitutional law you feel was broken... truly I am.

We are in Iraq, there in wartime by congressional authority and by the permission of the Iraqi government, moreover, we have the legal right to self defense. The present military operations was ordered under a previous president - president Obama - and our operations today is a continuation of the same. Iranian backed militias attacked U.S. troops lawfully present in a combat zone under valid legal authorities. America's military response isn't limited to immediate self defense, we can also act to remove an active threat. That threat includes enemy commanders.

The true act of war was thus Iran's by putting one of its commanders, boots on the ground, in Iraq to assist in planning and directing attacks on U.S. forces. America is entitled to respond to that threat.

So my question to you is this - where in the constitution does it say our president didn't have this authority?

Your the one challenging this, so where is your proof that the president of the United States doesnt have the right to defend U.S. troops and our embassy (an embassy is sovereign U.S. soil) in a time of war by killing commanders plotting further attacks against us?

well said

 

[charity1]

The world is unsafe irrespective of the attack.

that sums up my own thoughts succinctly.

Trump didn't make the problem but he gets blamed as per usual for it just the same (by extremists)

he is trying to clean up a lot of messes. Does he get credit?

well, he gets credit from those who have decided to be reasonable people. Some have let hate blind them.

the thing that puzzles me is: why all that hate from the very beginnng, even b4 anyone knew exactly waht he would do??

3 words suffice as an answer: corrupted human nature

 

[Oldmantook]

that sums up my own thoughts succinctly.

Trump didn't make the problem but he gets blamed as per usual for it just the same (by extremists)

he is trying to clean up a lot of messes. Does he get credit?

well, he gets credit from those who have decided to be reasonable people. Some have let hate blind them.

the thing that puzzles me is: why all that hate from the very beginnng, even b4 anyone knew exactly waht he would do??

3 words suffice as an answer: corrupted human nature

agree, by people bent on evil

 

[Al Touthentop]

I'm confused as to what constitutional law you feel was broken... truly I am.

We are in Iraq, there in wartime by congressional authority

This is demonstrably false. No declaration of war was passed.

The true act of war was thus Iran's by putting one of its commanders, boots on the ground, in Iraq to assist in planning and directing attacks on U.S. forces. America is entitled to respond to that threat.

Iraq is not our country. We have no jurisdiction there. This is Iraq's problem to handle and they are upset with us for meddling in their affairs. Rightly so.

So my question to you is this - where in the constitution does it say our president didn't have this authority?

That's not how the constitution works. It lists explicitly the powers of the various branches of government. War powers are reserved for Congress, the President commands the military when the Congress declares war.

We're not at war and even were we, assassination is not a power granted to the President.

 

[Al Touthentop]

I think you are mistaken. The Senate does not have the judicial power to try a foreign person for anything.

unless you can show me a link stating they can.

Well your signature has the articles of impeachment in them, it is to that which I thought you were referring. We have no legal jurisdiction to try the man we assassinated even if he was a bad guy. So while due process would be the correct way to deal with him we have no authority to try him unless the crimes listed were against the US. That makes our actions doubly wrong.

 

[Al Touthentop]

agree, by people bent on evil

It is a perpetuation of evil to assassinate somebody. So, it may be that somebody "created" this problem. But it does not absolve one of evil when they resort to using it to fix somebody else's problem.

 

[Hazelelponi]

This is demonstrably false. No declaration of war was passed.



Iraq is not our country. We have no jurisdiction there. This is Iraq's problem to handle and they are upset with us for meddling in their affairs. Rightly so.



That's not how the constitution works. It lists explicitly the powers of the various branches of government. War powers are reserved for Congress, the President commands the military when the Congress declares war.

We're not at war and even were we, assassination is not a power granted to the President.

Congress had to give permission for our troops to be there engaged in war all these years, it's called an authorization of war..

I'm sorry, but this is beyond silly at this point. you and I dont even live on the same planet apparently.

I'm out. Hope you enjoy fantasy land..

 

[Al Touthentop]

Congress had to give permission for our troops to be there engaged in war all these years, it's called an authorization of war..

Which they have no legal authority to do other than a declaration of war. That they do such things is not evidence that the authority exists.

I'm sorry, but this is beyond silly at this point. you and I dont even live on the same planet apparently.

I'm out. I'm really not engaging in this level of ignorance...

You assert might makes right and then run away as soon as your ideas are challenged.

 

[expos4ever]

We are a chosen vessel by God to deliver that message....

Care to defend this strange claim?

 

[Charlie24]

Care to defend this strange claim?

I would dare say that the most important thing that takes place on earth in the eyes of God is the spreading and delivery of His Gospel.

Look around the globe to see who by far delivers that message and at what capacity.

You may say this is by coincidence, I believe nothing is by coincidence concerning His Gospel.

Psalm 18:43-44
43 Thou hast delivered me from the strivings of the people; and thou hast made me the head of the heathen: a people whom I have not known shall serve me.
44 As soon as they hear of me, they shall obey me: the strangers shall submit themselves unto me.

 

[The Barbarian]

I would dare say that the most important thing that takes place on earth in the eyes of God is the spreading and delivery of His Gospel.

And in your opinion, Trump's behavior is "spreading and delivering the Gospel?" Not the one God gave us.

 

[Charlie24]

And in your opinion, Trump's behavior is "spreading and delivering the Gospel?" Not the one God gave us.

I think Jesus said, "render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's."

This is a separation of state. Trump is not expected to spread or deliver the Gospel as our president. That belongs to the church.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Hey, it worked, two out of three...

Obama kept us in Afghanistan with a higher death rate than Bush before his re election

JFK started us in Vietnam before his re-election

Roosevelt started us in WW2 and got himself four terms as a President

Woodrow Wilson started us in WW2 before his re election

seems by your standards, the Democratic Presidents are four for four

 

[The Barbarian]

Obama kept us in Afghanistan with a higher death rate than Bush before his re election

As you realize, Bush put us there, as part of his re-election plan.

JFK started us in Vietnam before his re-election

As you should know, Eisenhower sent troops there, not JFK.

Roosevelt started us in WW2

And here we all thought it was the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor.

seems by your standards, the Democratic Presidents are four for four

And now you know better.

 

[Always in His Presence]

And now you know better.

Heh, yeah, right......

It's hard when someone uses the same failed reasoning on the other side. I did that to demonstrate the (IMHO) inherent weakness in the meme.

 

[The Barbarian]

It's hard when someone uses the same failed reasoning on the other side.

It was probably a surprise to you when you discovered it was republican presidents who first got us into wars in Vietnam and Iraq/Afghanistan. It's harder to understand how you didn't know that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor got us into WWII.

I did that to demonstrate the (IMHO) inherent weakness in the meme.

And now you know better, although you're struggling with the facts a little.