BEWARE OF UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION

[Skidder]

Dear Skidd: I have patiently taken your youth and inexperience into consideration in all (pas) your posts.

But there is a limit to forgiveness credits of which you are rapidly reaching the outside limit.

The love of the Lord never ceases: it is without end.

However: The love of F.L. is very much (polus), but reaches limits.

70 X 7 =490

Saved = salvation from sin. It's not that complicated. And the only way to be saved (salvation from sin) is by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Those who reject Christ are not SAVED, they do not have SALVATION from sin. Until you figure out this simple equation "Saved = salvation from sin" you will keep on preaching the FALSE GOSPEL of UR. The FALSE GOSPEL that proclaims unbelievers (those who reject Christ) are SAVED.

 

[FineLinen]

Saved = salvation from sin. It's not that complicated.

Dear Skidd: Salvation is in three tenses, all flowing in the present progressive tense. It is NOT only being saved from sin, it is being made unto God.

Do you know the difference between us and them? He is the Mercy-Seat for us and them. We are propitiated, but not just us, but them, (the whole world). Most do not know it yet, they shall!

Your question for today=

What is scope of the predestined will of God & His good pleasure?

 

[FineLinen]

First---I am not a lady in shackles!! I have been set free by Christ--I have no shackles from Satan, I am bound with the love of Jesus and He freed me from false doctrines!
2nd---
Rev_2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

It is only the saved that are not hurt by the 2nd death! The lost are in the devouring fire and are more than hurt---they will die--they will cease to exist.

Dear lady: The elect of Christ, in particular those who follow the Lamb in the withersoever, AKA the overcomer, are not "hurt" by the Lake of Theos, but the lost sons of Adam 1 cease to exist?

You must at your earliest convenience contemplate the scope of ta pante.

From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists, in Him the all ends.

 

[mmksparbud]

Dear lady: The elect of Christ, in particular those who follow the Lamb in the withersoever, AKA the overcomer, are not "hurt" by the Lake of Theos, but the lost sons of Adam 1 cease to exist?

You must at your earliest convenience contemplate the scope of ta pante.

From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists, in Him the all ends.

Exactly! They do not have the protection of the love of God--His blood, to cover their sins. The wages of sin is death, not eternal life. The saved can not be hurt by God's consuming fire---the lost will be devoured by it. You need to spend less time on human concepts and more time with those of God.

 

[Skidder]

Dear Skidd: Salvation is in three tenses, all flowing in the present progressive tense. It is NOT only being saved from sin, it is being made unto God.

Do you know the difference between us and them? He is the Mercy-Seat for us and them. We are propitiated, but not just us, but them, (the whole world). Most do not know it yet, they shall!

Your question for today=

What is scope of the predestined will of God & His good pleasure?

We have every Spiritual blessing and are without blame before Him according to the good pleasure of HIS WILL. This is ONLY IN CHRIST, not outside of Christ... including FORGIVENESS OF SINS!!

And the only way to be IN CHRIST is by faith through the gospel of our SALVATION! Again, salvation from what? Salvation from SIN!!!

Ephesians 1:3-14
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your SALVATION; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

 

[FineLinen]

Exactly! They do not have the protection of the love of God--His blood, to cover their sins. The wages of sin is death, not eternal life. The saved can not be hurt by God's consuming fire---the lost will be devoured by it. You need to spend less time on human concepts and more time with those of God.

Dear lady: The entire world of the heavens, the earth & the underworld are centered in the love of God. Not some of it, the radical all of it.

He is the Source, Guide & Goal of the all! Not "tis", "ta pante."

 

[Lazarus Short]

Here you are taking pieces of disparate verses out-of-context, cramming them together trying to make scripture say what you want it to.

I got that far, and I doubt I'll ever reply to you again.

 

[Der Alte]

I got that far, and I doubt I'll ever reply to you again.

That hurts me to the quick. But I shall trudge on bearing this painful loss in silence.

 

[FineLinen]

Dear Lady in shackles: God is indeed just, it flows from His glorious essence of unrestrained love & affection. The Lake of theion will not, cannot be avoided. Remember, the ONLY group of Christians NOT "hurt by the glorious Lake of Theos are "overcomers". They have already tasted of "hurt" over & over & over again, there simply is nothing left to hurt!

Welcome to our God the consuming Fire

Is your God the God of the "tis" or the God of "ta pante"?

God IS the Source, Guide & Goal of the all!

Not "tis", "ta pante."

Shackle =

To deprive of freedom especially of action by means of restrictions or handicaps.

To bind/ chain/fetter.

Limitation =

To be deprived of freedom by means of restrictions or handicaps.

Bound/ confine/ limit

"You have limited the Holy One of Israel."

 

[FineLinen]

We have every Spiritual blessing and are without blame before Him according to the good pleasure of HIS WILL. This is ONLY IN CHRIST, not outside of Christ... including FORGIVENESS OF SINS!!

Dear Skidd: There is nothing outside of Christ of lasting value. He forgives 70 X 7 because His Nature is foriveness, NOT condemnation and despair!

I asked you what is His good pleasure & what our God's ultimate purpose is?

“Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, To the praise of the glory of His grace , wherein He has made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace ; Wherein He has abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made known unto us the mystery of His will , according to His good pleasure which He has purposed in Himself. That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who works all things after the counsel of His own will .”

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Dear Shrewd: There appears to be a line of individuals who are not resonating the same kudo, including my precious wife. I told her everybody hates me, her response=

Everybody does not hate you, everybody has not met you yet.

There's a compelling certitude in that line that convinces me that the Spirit is speaking. We might well redirect: If everybody does not love Jesus, it's only that everybody has not met him yet.

Ps forgive me but I confess my love for your wife, it seems trouble is her business.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

And the 'some that would say' such a thing always makes me wonder if they have not made God in their likeness and after their image? Never considering that 'just maybe' everyone claiming they are the image of God like Adam was created, don't even know their true heritage....coming from ADAM.

Hence the 'sons of the devil' moniker with which Jesus saddles the Pharisees, everything upside down: woe unto them who put good for evil, those idolaters who in claiming they can see only render themselves without excuse. How do they think they'll escape the wrath to come, the harvest of the burdens of guilt and fear they place on others but they themselves won't bear?

 

[Shrewd Manager]

There is no sin free zone outside or apart from Christ in anyway. He is salvation, redemption, sanctification, love, joy, peace,etc.. all IN HIM and THROUGH HIM. He is redemption because He is the sacrifice; therefore redemption, the forgiveness of sins, is only IN CHRIST. By proclaiming those who reject Christ are washed from their sins in His blood, you are separating the blood from salvation and handing it out apart from Christ. Only those who are partakers of His body and blood are washed from their sins in His blood. This place of washing is ONLY IN CHRIST not outside of Christ. There is no sin free zone outside of Christ. HE IS EVERYTHING including redemption! No matter how hard you try to remove redemption (the forgiveness of sins) from IN CHRIST, it can never be done, because HE IS REDEMPTION! Only IN CHRIST has a person been washed from their sins.

Ephesians 1:7
IN HIM we have redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace

Colossians 1:14
IN WHOM we have redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins.

Romans 3:24
being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is IN CHRIST JESUS,

1 Corinthians 1:30
But of Him you are IN CHRIST JESUS, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption

Love your zeal Skidder, but you're just grandstanding now. All those things apply. The only reason everyone doesn't love Christ is cause everyone doesn't know him yet.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

I recently read somewhere that the church is ripe for a universalism revival.

Uttering the word 'universalism' in today's churches has all the appeal of shouting 'fraud' to Israeli schoolkids at Auschwitz. The 'strategic approach' apparently is now to lead-in via the lukewarm ecumenism of 'hopeful inclusivism'. As long as Christ's at the centre, why not?

 

[Shrewd Manager]

It is still a lie! The fire will kill you! YOU ARE THE ONES BOUND WITH THE SHACKLES OF SATAN'S LIES! I pray you get free of them.

Yes, the fire kills the 'you' that's yoked to the fire being of an earthly kind. It kills the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars. (Rev 20:8)

Who is not on that list? You?

Heavenly Father, I confess my pitiful inability to overcome without your saving grace. Lord, consume my cowardice, destroy my unbelief, burn away the abominations, kill my murderous intent, purge my sexual immorality, scrub away the sorceries and idolatries that beset me. Renew me in the blood of the Lamb and raise me up with your Son in your Holy Spirit, I pray Lord in Jesus' mighty name. Amen.

 

[mmksparbud]

Yes, the fire kills the 'you' that's yoked to the fire being of an earthly kind. It kills the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars. (Rev 20:8)

Who is not on that list? You?

Heavenly Father, I confess my pitiful inability to overcome without your saving grace. Lord, consume my cowardice, destroy my unbelief, burn away the abominations, kill my murderous intent, purge my sexual immorality, scrub away the sorceries and idolatries that beset me. Renew me in the blood of the Lamb and raise me up with your Son in your Holy Spirit, I pray Lord in Jesus' mighty name. Amen.

Those are sins that we are to overcome in this world, for there is no chance of overcoming in the next. It is in this world that we are to learn to love and obey God, not in the next. Jesus did everything in this world, before He died, not after His death. We are to have that dross experience in the here and now. The 2nd death does not entitle anyone to come out and get to know the Lord. It is death, not a get acquainted with the Lord potluck. The Holy Spirit leads us to overcome in this world.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Those are sins that we are to overcome in this world,

Ah, so it's about making the cut for the entry. That may be so for the wedding of the Lamb and the Bride, but these are the emoluments of inheritance.

Lord forgive me for I am a sinner without hope but for your grace and mercy. May we take heart in Jesus and be renewed daily in his faith by your perfect gifts, for he has overcome the world.

 

[mmksparbud]

Ah, so it's about making the cut for the entry. That may be so for the wedding of the Lamb and the Bride, but these are the emoluments of inheritance.

Lord forgive me for I am a sinner without hope but for your grace and mercy. May we take heart in Jesus and be renewed daily in his faith by your perfect gifts, for he has overcome the world.

It's about loving and obeying God---when you do that, you "make the cut." Just as Jesus did--before His death.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

It's about loving and obeying God---when you do that, you "make the cut." Just as Jesus did--before His death.

Sure many Pharisees believed they were doing all that.

Lord forgive me for I have not loved you with my whole heart and I have not loved my neighbour as myself.

 

[Saint Steven]

It's about loving and obeying God---when you do that, you "make the cut." Just as Jesus did--before His death.

That makes salvation dependent on our own works.