BEWARE OF UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION

[FineLinen]

Dear F.L., thank God for you brother!

Dear Shrewd: There appears to be a line of individuals who are not resonating the same kudo, including my precious wife. I told her everybody hates me, her response=

Everybody does not hate you, everybody has not met you yet.

 

[Hillsage]

I love the way we camp out on an anti-UR topic and just make ourselves at home. - lol

I was watching a video with Baxter Kruger speaking. He just pointed this out about the Holy Spirit. This is rich. (all flesh)

Acts 2:17 KJV
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Dr. C. Baxter Kruger, theologian, writer and fishing lure designer is the Director of Perichoresis Ministries. Baxter is a native of Prentiss, Mississippi. He and his wife Beth have been married for 30 years and have 4 children. A life long student of psychology, Baxter has a degrees in political science, divinity, and earned his Doctor of Philosophy from Kings College, Aberdeen University in Aberdeen, Scotland under Professor James B. Torrance. He is the author of 8 books, including The Great Dance, Jesus and the Undoing of Adam and Across All Worlds, and recently the international bestseller, The Shack Revisited. He teaches around the world. He is an avid outdoorsman and holds two United States patents for his fishing lure designs. He is also the founder and President of Mediator Lures.

I've watched a number of videos of him and William Young, the author of The Shack. I also have the book 'The Shack Revisited'. Read it a couple of years ago then watched the video series they both did. Unless he has changed his 'public' testimony, neither he or William would go flat out on a limb and say they believed in UR/UNI. I could never understand that because they did such a influential job of proving but would stop at confessing it. Is this video different?

 

[Lazarus Short]

<LS>For once, I read your entire post carefully, as it lacked multi-colors and references to those "irrefutable sources." I agree with your analysis of verse 7, in which the overcomer inherits all, and others less, little or nothing. As I have said before, I do not believe in the idea that ALL will be ushered into the Holy City under a shower of rose petals, and get all the rewards. Rewards is not the same as being simply saved, and even the saved must suffer some - otherwise they are better than their Master.
Back to verse 4. Death, sorrow, crying and pain are all behind us at that point, so no one dies after that, right? So when we get down to verse 8, those consigned to the LoF do not die there, correct?
In verse 5, the One on the throne says, "I make all things new." Does the Greek for "make" imply a thing or things completed, finished or in progress?<LS>
Ah yes the old argument about Greek. If you want to refute what I say please consult a parsed NT which will answer your questions. I have an answer but I would like for you to harmonize vss. 4 and 8 without twisting the vss. beyond recognition.
Now about your argument re: vs. 8. let us read it.

"(8) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."​

Note it says "the lake which burns with fire and brimstone [sulphur] which IS the second death." For your argument to be correct it must read "which is 'called' the second death,"

About the Greek, no, I was not wanting to refute what you said - I was asking a question.

For chapter 21, verse 8, I need to go back to chapter 20, verses 14. This is not the first mention, but it is the first verse that tells us what the Second Death is. But I find the wording in verses 13 - 15 confusing, and I wonder if they put the sentences together properly in English. I see that a lot of versions state that the LoF is the Second Death, but I'm not entirely certain of that.

What I do know from other studies is that God is a Refiner with wrath and fire...and sometimes soap. I therefore see fire as a refining/cleansing agent. So is sulfur. Knowing that, I am impelled to see the LoF as an agent of refining, not punishment. We also know that punishment and discipline are not pleasant, but they do produce good results.

 

[Hillsage]

That's our loving God all over, wakes up the dead to roast them at His pleasure and then vaporise them. Ah, behold the holiness, the light, the grace!

And, according to 'them', He holds us to a higher standard of 'always forgive' than God Himself can live up to. Hmmm.

Still, some would say, it's better than they deserve. This kind of thinking is exhibit A in the case against the historical church's darkest works. Starts to give one insight into how heretics got sentenced to auto-da-fe with the slow-burning green wood.

And the 'some that would say' such a thing always makes me wonder if they have not made God in their likeness and after their image? Never considering that 'just maybe' everyone claiming they are the image of God like Adam was created, don't even know their true heritage....coming from ADAM.

GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

GEN 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image;

 

[Hillsage]

I came into Universalism kicking and screaming, so hopefully the resistance is a good sign. We were allies on a tongues topic. He seemed to warm up to me better with that common belief.

As was/did someone else....if memory serves me correctly.....

 

[Skidder]

Dear Skid" what gave you the most remote idea that our Father bringing His entire creation back Home to Himself is not by way of the Lord Jesus Christ?

He is the Saviour of Jehovah, that is His middle Name. He saves the especially, He saves all mankind. He is the Way, He is the Truth, He is the Way!

You must learn to sing in spontaneous vibrations. There is ONLY one way to gain entrance to the Choir; it is the Road of at-one-ment.

God IS the Saviour of ALL mankind, especially those who trust in His Name/ who believe. Teach & command this..

There is no sin free zone outside or apart from Christ in anyway. He is salvation, redemption, sanctification, love, joy, peace,etc.. all IN HIM and THROUGH HIM. He is redemption because He is the sacrifice; therefore redemption, the forgiveness of sins, is only IN CHRIST. By proclaiming those who reject Christ are washed from their sins in His blood, you are separating the blood from salvation and handing it out apart from Christ. Only those who are partakers of His body and blood are washed from their sins in His blood. This place of washing is ONLY IN CHRIST not outside of Christ. There is no sin free zone outside of Christ. HE IS EVERYTHING including redemption! No matter how hard you try to remove redemption (the forgiveness of sins) from IN CHRIST, it can never be done, because HE IS REDEMPTION! Only IN CHRIST has a person been washed from their sins.

Ephesians 1:7
IN HIM we have redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace

Colossians 1:14
IN WHOM we have redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins.

Romans 3:24
being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is IN CHRIST JESUS,

1 Corinthians 1:30
But of Him you are IN CHRIST JESUS, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption

 

[Hillsage]

Encouraging, I'm optimistic a breakthrough is coming.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. (Schopenhauer)

I recently read somewhere that the church is ripe for a universalism revival. It grows in sin sickness, theological self righteousness and bears the blame for being a spiritually divisive embarrassment to the world concerning the "unity of the SPIRIT" for the body of Christ. Therefore leaving the world with nothing to blame, that 'state' of being for, other than the very God one claims to follow after.

 

[FineLinen]

Ephesians 1:7
IN HIM we have redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace

Dear Saint Paul: Do you know there is nothing outside of the Lord Jesus Christ? NOTHING!

I just looked at your letter to the Ephesians, Skid chopped of the lower part, shame on him.

“Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, To the praise of the glory of His grace , wherein He has made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace ; Wherein He has abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made known unto us the mystery of His will , according to His good pleasure which He has purposed in Himself. That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who works all things after the counsel of His own will .”

 

[FineLinen]

Dear Skidd: Do you know the difference between us and them? He is the Mercy-Seat for us and them. We are propitiated, but not just us, but them, (the whole world). Most do not know it yet, they shall!

Your question for today=

What is scope of the predestined will of God & His good pleasure?

 

[Jord Simcha]

I declare the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come, saying: ’My purpose will stand, and all My good pleasure I will accomplish.’ Isaiah 46:10

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 4:9-10

I know that you can do anything, and no one can stop you. Job 42:2

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:40

And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:17

 

[Skidder]

Dear Saint Paul: Do you know there is nothing outside of the Lord Jesus Christ? NOTHING!

I just looked at your letter to the Ephesians, Skid chopped of the lower part, shame on him.

“Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, To the praise of the glory of His grace , wherein He has made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace ; Wherein He has abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made known unto us the mystery of His will , according to His good pleasure which He has purposed in Himself. That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who works all things after the counsel of His own will .”

So if salvation is IN HIM, why do you proclaim unbelievers (those who reject Christ) are washed in His blood?

 

[FineLinen]

So if salvation is IN HIM, why do you proclaim unbelievers (those who reject Christ) are washed in His blood?

Dear Skidd: There is no if!

Salvation comes from Him, and ends in Him. It has zero to do with what we believe or no.

God IS the salvation of ALL mankind....

Many individuals who have chosen to follow Jesus are still unbelieving believers.

The Unbelievers Bible is as follows>>>

All does not mean all

1 Cor. 15:22

“For as in Adam some die, so also in Christ some shall be made alive. But each in his own order; Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished some rule and some authority and power.”

Rev. 5:13

“And some created things that are in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and some things in them, I heard saying, To Him who sits on the throne and the Lamb, be blessing and honour and glory and dominion and power forever.”

Col. 1:18-20

“He too is that head whose body is the Church, the Firstborn from the dead, he is to the Church the Source of its life, that in some things He might occupy the foremost place/ to be in some things alone supreme. For it pleased the Father that in him the divine nature in some of its fulness should dwell. And, having made peace through the blood of His cross, by him to reconcile some things unto Himself; by him, I say, whether they be things on earth, or things in heaven. And you that were sometimes alienated…”

Acts 3:20,21

“And He will send Jesus, your destined Christ, yet heaven must retain Him, until the restitution of some things. (when some things are put right)”

1 Cor. 15:28

“And when some things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him that put some things under Him, that God may be some in some.”

1 Cor. 15:25,27

“For He must reign until He hath put some enemies under His feet…For He hath put some things under His feet. But when He saith some things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted, which did put some things under Him.”

Romans 11:32

“For God has consigned some men to disobedience that He might have mercy upon some.”

Eph. 4:10

“Yea, He who came down is the same who is gone up, far above some heavens, that He might fill some things with His Presence.”

John 5:28

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which some that are in the graves shall hear His voice. Those who have done good will to live and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.”

1 Timothy 2:4

“For this is good and pleasing in the eyes of God our Saviour; who will have some men to be saved and come to an increasing knowledge of the truth.”

1 Timothy 2:6

“For there is one intermediary (One who brings God and men together) who gave Himself a ransom in behalf of some to be testified in due time.”

Cor. 5:15

“For the love of God overmasters us because we judge that if one died for some, then were some dead; And that His purpose in dying for some was that men, while still in life, should cease to live for themselves, and should live for Him who for their sake died and was raised to life.”

Col. 1:16

"For by Him were some things created, of things in heaven and on earth, things seen and things unseen (angels or archangels and some of the powers of Heaven)…some things were created by Him, and for Him (some were made by Christ for His own use and glory.)

John 3:35

“The Father loves the Son, and has given some things into His hand (has given Him control over less than everything). Whoever trusts on the Son possesses eternal life and he who does not obey the Son, God’s displeasure hangs over him continually.”

Gal. 3:20

“But the Scripture has concluded/consigned some without exception to the custody of sin, in order that the promise by faith in Christ Jesus might be given to those who believe in Him.”

Heb. 1:2

“God…hath in these days spoken unto us in His Son who is the predestined Lord of the universe. (whom he has appointed heir of some things)”

2 Cor. 5:14

“For the love of Christ constraineth/overmasters/compels/controls us, and this is the conviction we have reached; if one man died on behalf of some, then some thereby became dead men. Christ died for some, so that being alive should no longer mean living with our own life, but with his life who died for some of us and has risen again.”

Heb.8:11

“And they shall not teach some men his neighbor, and some his brother, saying get to know the Lord, for some of them shall know me from small to great. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness…”

Acts 10:36

"The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: He is Lord of some.

Rom. 11:36

“For from him some things come; through Him some things exists; and in him some things end.” (For of him and through him, and to him are some things.)

Eph. 4:6

“One Lord, one faith, one baptism. One God and Father of some, who is over some, and works through some, and dwells in some.”

Heb. 12:23

“To the festal gathering and Church of the first-born, enrolled as citizens in heaven, and to God the Judge of some men and unto the spirits of righteous ones made perfect.”

James 2:10

“For whomsoever shall keep the whole law, but fails in a single point, has become guilty of violating some.”

Romans 3:22,23

“…the righteous of God which comes by believing in Jesus Christ. …For some have sinned/ none have attained the glorious likeness of God/lack the glory that comes from God/ are deprived of the Divine splendour.”

John 17:2

“As thou has made him sovereign over some of mankind that he should give aeonios life to as many as thou hast given him.”

Romans 9:5

“The patriarchs are theirs and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. May God who is supreme above some, be blessed throughout the ages.”

2 Peter 3:9

“The Lord is not slack/does not loiter/ is not dilatory concerning his promise, according to some people’s conception of slowness; but He bears patiently with you, because it is not His will for any to be lost, but for some to come/reach repentance.”

Phil. 2:10,11

In order that in adoration of the Name of Jesus some knees will bow themselves and openly acknowledge with joy, in celebration and praise, that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. This profession and confession of His lordship shall be open and freely proclaimed, acknowledged joyfully by some beings in the heavens, by some beings on the earth and by some beings in the underworld.

John 12:32

“If I be lifted up, I will draw all unto Me.”

Radical Unbelievers Bible=

If I be lifted up, I will draw some unto Me.

Please Remember…

All does not radically mean all.

Whole is not whole.

All = Some

 

[FineLinen]

Dear Skidd: There is no if!

Salvation comes from Him, and ends in Him. It has zero to do with what we believe or no.

God IS the salvation of ALL mankind....

Many individuals who have chosen to follow Jesus are still unbelieving believers.

The Unbelievers Bible is as follows>>>

All does not mean all

1 Cor. 15:22

“For as in Adam some die, so also in Christ some shall be made alive. But each in his own order; Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished some rule and some authority and power.”

Rev. 5:13

“And some created things that are in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and some things in them, I heard saying, To Him who sits on the throne and the Lamb, be blessing and honour and glory and dominion and power forever.”

Col. 1:18-20

“He too is that head whose body is the Church, the Firstborn from the dead, he is to the Church the Source of its life, that in some things He might occupy the foremost place/ to be in some things alone supreme. For it pleased the Father that in him the divine nature in some of its fulness should dwell. And, having made peace through the blood of His cross, by him to reconcile some things unto Himself; by him, I say, whether they be things on earth, or things in heaven. And you that were sometimes alienated…”

Acts 3:20,21

“And He will send Jesus, your destined Christ, yet heaven must retain Him, until the restitution of some things. (when some things are put right)”

1 Cor. 15:28

“And when some things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him that put some things under Him, that God may be some in some.”

1 Cor. 15:25,27

“For He must reign until He hath put some enemies under His feet…For He hath put some things under His feet. But when He saith some things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted, which did put some things under Him.”

Romans 11:32

“For God has consigned some men to disobedience that He might have mercy upon some.”

Eph. 4:10

“Yea, He who came down is the same who is gone up, far above some heavens, that He might fill some things with His Presence.”

John 5:28

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which some that are in the graves shall hear His voice. Those who have done good will to live and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.”

1 Timothy 2:4

“For this is good and pleasing in the eyes of God our Saviour; who will have some men to be saved and come to an increasing knowledge of the truth.”

1 Timothy 2:6

“For there is one intermediary (One who brings God and men together) who gave Himself a ransom in behalf of some to be testified in due time.”

Cor. 5:15

“For the love of God overmasters us because we judge that if one died for some, then were some dead; And that His purpose in dying for some was that men, while still in life, should cease to live for themselves, and should live for Him who for their sake died and was raised to life.”

Col. 1:16

"For by Him were some things created, of things in heaven and on earth, things seen and things unseen (angels or archangels and some of the powers of Heaven)…some things were created by Him, and for Him (some were made by Christ for His own use and glory.)

John 3:35

“The Father loves the Son, and has given some things into His hand (has given Him control over less than everything). Whoever trusts on the Son possesses eternal life and he who does not obey the Son, God’s displeasure hangs over him continually.”

Gal. 3:20

“But the Scripture has concluded/consigned some without exception to the custody of sin, in order that the promise by faith in Christ Jesus might be given to those who believe in Him.”

Heb. 1:2

“God…hath in these days spoken unto us in His Son who is the predestined Lord of the universe. (whom he has appointed heir of some things)”

2 Cor. 5:14

“For the love of Christ constraineth/overmasters/compels/controls us, and this is the conviction we have reached; if one man died on behalf of some, then some thereby became dead men. Christ died for some, so that being alive should no longer mean living with our own life, but with his life who died for some of us and has risen again.”

Heb.8:11

“And they shall not teach some men his neighbor, and some his brother, saying get to know the Lord, for some of them shall know me from small to great. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness…”

Acts 10:36

"The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: He is Lord of some.

Rom. 11:36

“For from him some things come; through Him some things exists; and in him some things end.” (For of him and through him, and to him are some things.)

Eph. 4:6

“One Lord, one faith, one baptism. One God and Father of some, who is over some, and works through some, and dwells in some.”

Heb. 12:23

“To the festal gathering and Church of the first-born, enrolled as citizens in heaven, and to God the Judge of some men and unto the spirits of righteous ones made perfect.”

James 2:10

“For whomsoever shall keep the whole law, but fails in a single point, has become guilty of violating some.”

Romans 3:22,23

“…the righteous of God which comes by believing in Jesus Christ. …For some have sinned/ none have attained the glorious likeness of God/lack the glory that comes from God/ are deprived of the Divine splendour.”

John 17:2

“As thou has made him sovereign over some of mankind that he should give aeonios life to as many as thou hast given him.”

Romans 9:5

“The patriarchs are theirs and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. May God who is supreme above some, be blessed throughout the ages.”

2 Peter 3:9

“The Lord is not slack/does not loiter/ is not dilatory concerning his promise, according to some people’s conception of slowness; but He bears patiently with you, because it is not His will for any to be lost, but for some to come/reach repentance.”

Phil. 2:10,11

In order that in adoration of the Name of Jesus some knees will bow themselves and openly acknowledge with joy, in celebration and praise, that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. This profession and confession of His lordship shall be open and freely proclaimed, acknowledged joyfully by some beings in the heavens, by some beings on the earth and by some beings in the underworld.

John 12:32

“If I be lifted up, I will draw all unto Me.”

Radical Unbelievers Bible=

If I be lifted up, I will draw some unto Me.

Please Remember…

All does not radically mean all.

Whole is not whole.

All = Some

Are you an unbelieving believer?

Do you substitute the radical all of "pas" with "tis" in its singular or plural form?

That is your question to decide

 

[FineLinen]

I declare the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come, saying: ’My purpose will stand, and all My good pleasure I will accomplish.’ Isaiah 46:10

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 4:9-10

I know that you can do anything, and no one can stop you. Job 42:2

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:40

And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:17

"Good grief" says Charlie Brown AKA Dr. Charles Brown. Are my eyes deceiving me?

We have another individual who beholds what we are contemplating on this wonderful "beware" link.

Dear Jord: welcome to our wee fellowship. Thankyou for a great post!

The glorious mystery of His will is a fire that consumes dross and opens one to the majesty of the One who accomplishes completely what He sets out to do!

We believe in the One who is successful: 100%

 

[Skidder]

Dear Skidd: There is no if!

Salvation comes from Him, and ends in Him. It has zero to do with what we believe or no.

God IS the salvation of ALL mankind....

Many individuals who have chosen to follow Jesus are still unbelieving believers.

The Unbelievers Bible is as follows>>>

All does not mean all

1 Cor. 15:22

“For as in Adam some die, so also in Christ some shall be made alive. But each in his own order; Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished some rule and some authority and power.”

Rev. 5:13

“And some created things that are in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and some things in them, I heard saying, To Him who sits on the throne and the Lamb, be blessing and honour and glory and dominion and power forever.”

Col. 1:18-20

“He too is that head whose body is the Church, the Firstborn from the dead, he is to the Church the Source of its life, that in some things He might occupy the foremost place/ to be in some things alone supreme. For it pleased the Father that in him the divine nature in some of its fulness should dwell. And, having made peace through the blood of His cross, by him to reconcile some things unto Himself; by him, I say, whether they be things on earth, or things in heaven. And you that were sometimes alienated…”

Acts 3:20,21

“And He will send Jesus, your destined Christ, yet heaven must retain Him, until the restitution of some things. (when some things are put right)”

1 Cor. 15:28

“And when some things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him that put some things under Him, that God may be some in some.”

1 Cor. 15:25,27

“For He must reign until He hath put some enemies under His feet…For He hath put some things under His feet. But when He saith some things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted, which did put some things under Him.”

Romans 11:32

“For God has consigned some men to disobedience that He might have mercy upon some.”

Eph. 4:10

“Yea, He who came down is the same who is gone up, far above some heavens, that He might fill some things with His Presence.”

John 5:28

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which some that are in the graves shall hear His voice. Those who have done good will to live and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.”

1 Timothy 2:4

“For this is good and pleasing in the eyes of God our Saviour; who will have some men to be saved and come to an increasing knowledge of the truth.”

1 Timothy 2:6

“For there is one intermediary (One who brings God and men together) who gave Himself a ransom in behalf of some to be testified in due time.”

Cor. 5:15

“For the love of God overmasters us because we judge that if one died for some, then were some dead; And that His purpose in dying for some was that men, while still in life, should cease to live for themselves, and should live for Him who for their sake died and was raised to life.”

Col. 1:16

"For by Him were some things created, of things in heaven and on earth, things seen and things unseen (angels or archangels and some of the powers of Heaven)…some things were created by Him, and for Him (some were made by Christ for His own use and glory.)

John 3:35

“The Father loves the Son, and has given some things into His hand (has given Him control over less than everything). Whoever trusts on the Son possesses eternal life and he who does not obey the Son, God’s displeasure hangs over him continually.”

Gal. 3:20

“But the Scripture has concluded/consigned some without exception to the custody of sin, in order that the promise by faith in Christ Jesus might be given to those who believe in Him.”

Heb. 1:2

“God…hath in these days spoken unto us in His Son who is the predestined Lord of the universe. (whom he has appointed heir of some things)”

2 Cor. 5:14

“For the love of Christ constraineth/overmasters/compels/controls us, and this is the conviction we have reached; if one man died on behalf of some, then some thereby became dead men. Christ died for some, so that being alive should no longer mean living with our own life, but with his life who died for some of us and has risen again.”

Heb.8:11

“And they shall not teach some men his neighbor, and some his brother, saying get to know the Lord, for some of them shall know me from small to great. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness…”

Acts 10:36

"The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: He is Lord of some.

Rom. 11:36

“For from him some things come; through Him some things exists; and in him some things end.” (For of him and through him, and to him are some things.)

Eph. 4:6

“One Lord, one faith, one baptism. One God and Father of some, who is over some, and works through some, and dwells in some.”

Heb. 12:23

“To the festal gathering and Church of the first-born, enrolled as citizens in heaven, and to God the Judge of some men and unto the spirits of righteous ones made perfect.”

James 2:10

“For whomsoever shall keep the whole law, but fails in a single point, has become guilty of violating some.”

Romans 3:22,23

“…the righteous of God which comes by believing in Jesus Christ. …For some have sinned/ none have attained the glorious likeness of God/lack the glory that comes from God/ are deprived of the Divine splendour.”

John 17:2

“As thou has made him sovereign over some of mankind that he should give aeonios life to as many as thou hast given him.”

Romans 9:5

“The patriarchs are theirs and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. May God who is supreme above some, be blessed throughout the ages.”

2 Peter 3:9

“The Lord is not slack/does not loiter/ is not dilatory concerning his promise, according to some people’s conception of slowness; but He bears patiently with you, because it is not His will for any to be lost, but for some to come/reach repentance.”

Phil. 2:10,11

In order that in adoration of the Name of Jesus some knees will bow themselves and openly acknowledge with joy, in celebration and praise, that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. This profession and confession of His lordship shall be open and freely proclaimed, acknowledged joyfully by some beings in the heavens, by some beings on the earth and by some beings in the underworld.

John 12:32

“If I be lifted up, I will draw all unto Me.”

Radical Unbelievers Bible=

If I be lifted up, I will draw some unto Me.

Please Remember…

All does not radically mean all.

Whole is not whole.

All = Some

UR is a false salvation from sin; therefore it is a false gospel. What do you think salvation means if not salvation from sin? Is it not sin that separates us from God? Is it not sin that brings Gods wrath? Is it not sin that brings condemnation, judgment, and death? According to your false gospel of UR a person who rejects Christ has been saved from their sins apart from faith. Which is no different than proclaiming they are SAVED apart from faith. Therefore UR are is no different than Universal Salvation. Honestly, what do you think the word SAVED means??? Christ came with one purpose and that was save us from our sins. If we are saved from our sins we are SAVED! And that is why UR is nothing but a plain old FALSE GOSPEL!

Can't you see what a contradictory MESS this UR teaching is??? Open your eyes!! Salvation is not that complicated, unless of course you strayed from the SIMPLICITY THAT IS IN CHRIST.

1 John 3:5
And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.

Matthew 1:21
And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”

2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

 

[Der Alte]

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<LS>About the Greek, no, I was not wanting to refute what you said - I was asking a question.
For chapter 21, verse 8, I need to go back to chapter 20, verses 14. This is not the first mention, but it is the first verse that tells us what the Second Death is. But I find the wording in verses 13 - 15 confusing, and I wonder if they put the sentences together properly in English. I see that a lot of versions state that the LoF is the Second Death, but I'm not entirely certain of that.
What I do know from other studies is that God is a Refiner with wrath and fire...and sometimes soap. I therefore see fire as a refining/cleansing agent. So is sulfur. Knowing that, I am impelled to see the LoF as an agent of refining, not punishment. We also know that punishment and discipline are not pleasant, but they do produce good results.<LS>

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Here you are taking pieces of disparate verses out-of-context, cramming them together trying to make scripture say what you want it to. The words "refining" and "cleansing" do not occur anywhere in Revelation.
The lake of fire is called the second death twice. Rev 20:14 and Rev 21:8. Only one verse mentions what happens in the lake of fire and it isn’t cleansing. Rev 20:10 the devil, the beast and the false prophet, who is a person, are thrown into the lake of fire but they are not cleansed and they do not die but are tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:13-15
(13) The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.
(14) Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
(15) Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.​

There seems to be a problem when we read this passage. The phrase lake of fire occurs 5 times in Rev and it is called the second death twice. So how can it be the second death if “death” and “hell” are thrown into it in Rev. 20:14?
…..“Death” is the point in time end of life. It has no physical properties and cannot be literally thrown anywhere. “hell” if the “grave” are holes in the ground and cannot literally be thrown anywhere. “Hell” if the place of punishment could be thrown into the lake of fire.
…..There is a scriptural answer. Two beings that I refer to as the angle of death and the demon of hell are thrown into the lake of fire and their power to kill ended.

Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.​

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Titus 2:14 He gave Himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to cleanse for Himself a people for His own possession, eager to do good works.

James 4:8 Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, sinners, and purify your hearts, double-minded people!

I am not sure how these verses relate.

 

[FineLinen]

UR is a false salvation from sin; therefore it is a false gospel.

Dear Skidd: I have patiently taken your youth and inexperience into consideration in all (pas) your posts.

But there is a limit to forgiveness credits of which you are rapidly reaching the outside limit.

The love of the Lord never ceases: it is without end.

However: The love of F.L. is very much (polus), but reaches limits.

70 X 7 =490

 

[mmksparbud]

Dear Lady in shackles: God is indeed just, it flows from His glorious essence of unrestrained love & affection. The Lake of theion will not, cannot be avoided. Remember, the ONLY group of Christians NOT "hurt by the glorious Lake of Theos are "overcomers". They have already tasted of "hurt" over & over & over again, there simply is nothing left to hurt!

Welcome to our God the consuming Fire

First---I am not a lady in shackles!! I have been set free by Christ--I have no shackles from Satan, I am bound with the love of Jesus and He freed me from false doctrines!
2nd---
Rev_2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

It is only the saved that are not hurt by the 2nd death! The lost are in the devouring fire and are more than hurt---they will die--they will cease to exist. They are not in there to take a bath!! He is a devouring fire to the lost---again---that is the 2nd death, from which there is no resurrection. The bath the saved take is baptism. We are bathed from sin, we are bathed in the blood of Christ which covers our sins---we are bathed in the love of God, the lost have no such protection and the fire will consume them, devour and bring them to ashes and there shall be nothing left. There is no 2nd chance. Salvation is now, before the first death. Take your bath before you go to sleep for there is no bath afterwards and you will be filthy when you are resurrected and the filthy are destroyed. Nothing dirty will reside with God---filth is destroyed, there is no 2nd bath, no 2nd cleansing. That is a lie from |
Satan designed to give a false sense of safety and keep those who would have been bathed by the love of God from doing so. Satan doesn't care how he wins you to his side---he is a liar and the father of lies. He is subtle and the same lie he gave to Eve is still working today--- Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Instead he offers the other lie--don't worry, instead of death you will Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
The fire won't kill you, it will open your eyes and you will come out of the fire knowing good and evil!

It is still a lie! The fire will kill you! YOU ARE THE ONES BOUND WITH THE SHACKLES OF SATAN'S LIES! I pray you get free of them.

 

[Saint Steven]

I've watched a number of videos of him and William Young, the author of The Shack. I also have the book 'The Shack Revisited'. Read it a couple of years ago then watched the video series they both did. Unless he has changed his 'public' testimony, neither he or William would go flat out on a limb and say they believed in UR/UNI. I could never understand that because they did such a influential job of proving but would stop at confessing it. Is this video different?

I think Baxter is pretty straight forward about it, but Young is not. (as I recall)