Will people go to Hell for worshipping on Sunday?

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what do you mean ? > as if it requires "Only conviction" ??
Conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit, as pointed out in Scripture, requires a response. This is Soteriology 101. No national Sunday law is required. I was convicted of my duty to observe the fourth commandment decades ago. I was not then given license to delay my obligation until eschatological events ran their course. I believe we do our neighbors a great evil when we give them the impression that it is safe to disregard God's commandments until a worldwide alarm is sounded. Alarms are sounding today. The three angels' messages are going to the whole world as we type and post.
Act 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
 
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One hundred thousand dollars was offered , perhaps for a hundred years, in the last century, to ANYONE who could answer that question from Scripture.

No one could.

No one collected.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
 
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Conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit, as pointed out in Scripture, requires a response. This is Soteriology 101. No national Sunday law is required. I was convicted of my duty to observe the fourth commandment decades ago. I was not then given license to delay my obligation until eschatological events ran their course. I believe we do our neighbors a great evil when we give them the impression that it is safe to disregard God's commandments until a worldwide alarm is sounded. Alarms are sounding today. The three angels' messages are going to the whole world as we type and post.
Act 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Stop Judaizing
 
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Romans 14:5One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.6He who observes a special day does so to the Lord; he who eats does so to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

This Scripture, however, is not about the weekly Sabbath. I do not believe Shabbat is mentioned in the whole chapter.
 
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Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. - Galatians 2:16
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; - Revelation 7:9

First question, please show me where anyone claimed we were justified through works?

Not sure how that applies as a reply to my post but while you're at it, lets take a look at what I made bold in your post. Do you not think that having "faith" in Christ and "believing" what he says we must do in order to get to heaven is what having faith in and believing in him is all about? None of us are anymore than our words. So there is no confusion to what I'm asking, here is the second question:

Do you feel faith/believing means doing as Christ says, or that one can believe/have faith in him and not be bound to listen to him, and do as he says?

Yes, no?

Regardless of your answer, the third question:

Do you feel we must obey what Christ says to do in the following scriptures in order to get to heaven, or can we disobey him if we like, and still go to heaven?

Matt 25:41-46 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

To cover each scripture separately, and again so there is no confusion
to the questions. In the above scripture. Question 3-A Can we not take care of the poor/needy and still go to heaven, even if Christ makes it crystal clear right there that we go to hell if we do not?

John 5:28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

Question 4-B
Concerning the prior scripture, If we do what is evil over what is good, can we still go to heaven even if we claim to believe in Christ? To be clear on what, in affect, you will be saying with a "yes" answer, believing in Christ does not equate to believing him, when he tells us what we must do.

Thanks for your cooperation, and I look forward to your response/answers to all the questions.
 
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Or being eliminated, whatever.

Is that really what Sabbatarians believe?

If this is true, then wouldn't God be evil? He is going to kill you for mistakenly worshiping him on a specific day?

For people who believe that Satan deceives many, you can tell how valid it is just based on the beliefs and questions such as the OP. How can you believe that God is good and is the source of all good yet think that he is going to kill you (in ways you are can't fathom) because you mistakenly worshipped on a certain day?

Even if it is true that he will send you to hell for this, why would you want to go to heaven and worship a god like that anyway? Your whole belief in him isn't because of love or anything, it's all just complete fear.
 
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Not keeping the Sabbath holy is actually a sin worthy of death - it’s in the league of adultery, homosexuality, and murder.

If adulterers, homosexuals and murders aren’t getting into the kingdom of God, how are people getting in who don’t keep the Sabbath holy?
 
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again there is no law against worshiping on the 1st day.
I did not say there was.
There is a law, TORAH, AGAINST doing BOTH : sinning AND worshiping on the 1st day (or sinning and worshiping on ANY day(S) ) .
See? Those who sin daily, regardless of what day , are transgressing the law (NOT about 1st day or any day, unless it applies at the time) .
 
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how are people getting in who don’t keep the Sabbath holy?
Perhaps for clarity or perspective if possible,

when (some of) the Jews "did honor the Sabbath" (outwardly at least) ,
yet disobeyed and rejected Jesus at first in their lives/
HOW did they get in to Jesus' Kingdom ? (the ones who did)
And relatedly: what happened to those Jews who may have honored the commandments, but still rejected Jesus ?
 
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Perhaps for clarity or perspective if possible,

when (some of) the Jews "did honor the Sabbath" (outwardly at least) ,
yet disobeyed and rejected Jesus at first in their lives/
HOW did they get in to Jesus' Kingdom ? (the ones who did)
And relatedly: what happened to those Jews who may have honored the commandments, but still rejected Jesus ?
If you reject the Messiah or any of the prophets prior to him, they won’t make it into the kingdom.

I don’t think one can reject the Messiah, but obey the commandments. How can you reject any of the prophets yet obey the commandments?

if somebody is truly obeying God’s commandments, they will accept the Messiah, and all of the prophets prior to him.
 
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If adulterers, homosexuals and murders aren’t getting into the kingdom of God, how are people getting in who don’t keep the Sabbath holy?
In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
Acts 17:30
Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.
James 4:17
 
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I did not say there was.
There is a law, TORAH, AGAINST doing BOTH : sinning AND worshiping on the 1st day (or sinning and worshiping on ANY day(S) ) .
See? Those who sin daily, regardless of what day , are transgressing the law (NOT about 1st day or any day, unless it applies at the time) .
and there's the big riddle. Sin is a part of us all, but it is not erased by the observance of a day. One who obverses the Sabbath according to the law is as guilty as one who doesn't.
 
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and there's the big riddle. Sin is a part of us all, but it is not erased by the observance of a day. One who obverses the Sabbath according to the law is as guilty as one who doesn't.
Jesus observed the Sabbath according to the TORAH.
He directed all His disciples to also, and said this would never change, even to the ends of the earth (and heaven?) ....
 
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I think there are some well known groups who attempt to always keep the commandments or at least say they are supposed to keep them,
but they reject Jesus (I don't know if they reject the prophets or not).

If you reject the Messiah or any of the prophets prior to him, they won’t make it into the kingdom.

I don’t think one can reject the Messiah, but obey the commandments. How can you reject any of the prophets yet obey the commandments?

if somebody is truly obeying God’s commandments, they will accept the Messiah, and all of the prophets prior to him.
 
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