Does the recently confirmed existence of UfO's pose a threat to Christianity?

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I'm having a bit of trouble understanding how this is a threat to Christianity. Can you elucidate?

In the UFO narrative - aliens evolved - some suppose they (ufo-aliens) are concerned that mankind is going off the rails. Evolution is king in that narrative not the Bible account of origins - so the longer a given race of beings evolves the more advanced they are, in that story. According to them - in theory we could meet good beings, or bad ones or neutral ones as far as I know - there is no limit that they put in their stories in that regard.

By contrast in the Bible, God creates mankind, and He creates angels. Only sinful man and fallen angels are subject to the lost condition. Christ died on the cross for fallen man - but not for fallen angels. The Bible does not say that man evolved from apes or from bacteria. It does not present a case for other life forms evolving from bacteria into intelligent beings capable of travel from start to star.

(I suppose we could argue that God created other worlds and other intelligent beings - but given that the Bible says Lucifer-turned-Satan is using earth as home-base it is not very likely that sinless beings from other worlds come here on vacation to visit with Satan and his demon-fallen-angels, or to dangle their superior technology in front of our military jets ).
 
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Like leopards !? WHOW !
I read a book once about a man that went high into the Himalayan mountains looking to see a white snow leopard. He did manage to see one way off in the distance. If he had gone to a magic act in Los Vegas then he could have seen a White Tiger.
 
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Look, I love Christ, but if we have a moment where the aliens come down and open up their doors and wave at us. I'm going with them. Screw this planet.
No one has ever claimed that they were taken to another planet and brought back again. We would not function well on a planet other then the earth. We have evolved for a planet this size, this distance from the sun. This is all pretty exact and precise. The Universe is fine tuned.
 
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HEY! COOL DUDE!.... I saw that same thing on stark wreck several times ! :)
It's more likely than aliens. Even if they are out there, it is too far to come. And if aliens can discover antigravity, why not humans?
 
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It's more likely than aliens. Even if they are out there, it is too far to come. And if aliens can discover antigravity, why not humans?
We don't have to discover it.

If we need it, if it is good for us, if it is the Father's Plan, He will reveal it ....

Remember how Jesus left the earth ? :)
 
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No one has ever claimed that they were taken to another planet and brought back again. We would not function well on a planet other then the earth. We have evolved for a planet this size, this distance from the sun. This is all pretty exact and precise. The Universe is fine tuned.

Just keep me in space in artificial gravity suited to a human. I'd be happy.
 
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Sept 2019 the U.S. Navy confirms existence of UFOs
That's kind of like confirming that water is wet and that fire is hot, innit? Any flying thing that you can't recognize is, by definition, an Unidentified Flying Object. Now if the Navy has identified some of these former UFOs, then they're now IFOs, Identified Flying Objects, right?

My favorite UFO was one I saw on a trip from Kansas City to LA back in '87. Sitting on the port side in the back of an L-1011, looking out the window at darkness. Suddenly a break in the clouds, and there's a steady white light, pacing the plain. Then it was gone, in an instant. Then it was back. still keeping station with the liner. Pointed it out to the guy in the middle seat, who noted that the off-on-off thing with the light was probably clouds between us and the UFO. We watched it for 10 minutes or so, intrigued. Then I happened to look across the plane, and catch a glimpse out of one of the starboard side windows. The was another "UFO" on the other side, also pacing the plane. And then we identified them. Mid-seater was right, it was clouds that we couldn't see passing between us and the light creating the illusion that it was blinking off and on. . But they were clouds we were passing through. The now identified flying object was a light on the port side wingtip. We couldn't see the wing in the darkness, so it looked like the light was flying alongside us.

Are there things out there, advanced aircraft and stuff that we don't know about? I'd bet on it. I still remember when the F-117 and the B-2 inspired UFO reports. Are there, as I think you'd like to imply, flying saucers, piloted by either spacemen or demons? If there are, there's zero evidence of it.

If you want to believe in flying saucers, be my guest. Just be good enough to admit that it's a matter of faith, on a par with believing that bugs have immortal souls. "UFOs" may all be flying saucers from the planet Glarb or chariots of demons, but there's no particular reason to believe that they are. Most UFOs are simply airplanes. Yeah, airplanes exist, even, I suspect, ones advanced enough to make a credulous observer think they "defied the laws of physics". (BTW, nothing "defies the laws of physics", because the law of physics were established by God, not the state legislature.)

So, do UFOs, of whatever source, have any bearing on the Christian faith? NO, not in the least. The whole universe is God's, not just selected bits of it. Europeans used to think that the Mysterious East was populated by devils transmarine, who spoke diabolical tongues and had diabolically slanty eyes and stygian black hair. Turned out they were just people after all.

Let's try to keep grounded in reality and the transcendence of the Faith.
 
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Does your view of Christianity view this as a threat to Christianity? a threat to evangelism in the context of a public being informed that UFO's are real and not merely swamp gas?
Some UFO's are swamp gas. Most are airplanes. Some, we don't know what they are, insufficient data.

Many people who have been discussing this idea for a long time ... claim that publicly admitting to it would be a problem for Christianity.
Admitting what? That people have seen flying things they couldn't identify? Wow.

Unidentified objects have been around for a long, long time.
Not one of them is an alien from out there, ever.
And will be for as long as people are imperfect observers
 
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Lets see in the deception line, first there was the globe earth, then came evolution, now aliens.
Lessee - homey sees some silvery flying thing, can't tell what it is. The probability is that it's A)an airplane, B) and experimental high performance flying thing, C) some other fairly mundane thing if you could see it clearly, D) aliens from another galaxy or demons from hell. Anyone who picks D has serious problems with logic.
 
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It's more likely than aliens. Even if they are out there, it is too far to come. And if aliens can discover antigravity, why not humans?
They have to have a Warp Drive, or Worm Hole, or a Bergenholm Converter, or some other rubber science means of traveling interstellar distances. Or a rocket with unlimited reaction mass. Or magic. Forget artificial gravity, just spin the ship.
 
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He came home one day (this was about 1960) and announced that the R&D team had discovered how to overcome gravity.
I don't think that one made it out of the lab.. but then again, right?

My fave UFO. Early 60's (a lot happening then, wasn't there?) Standing in my back yard, doing little kid stuff Suddenly, off in the west, what sounded like an explosion, and then it was wham-wham-wham-wham-Wham[ WHam-WHAMWHAMWHAMWHAM-wham...wham... wham...gone. All I saw was a tiny silver dot moving faster than anything I'd ever seen before, horizon to horizon in - what? - 3 seconds?, leaving a contrail that looked like a string of pearls. Dunno whether it was sonic booms or the thing's engine(s) or what. Everybody on the street came running out to see what it was, but except for me, all they saw was the contrail. No explanation to this day what it might have been. Ergo I assume it was a flying saucer driven by spacemen.

Why anyone would say that such things threaten Christianity is a mystery to me.
Utter nonsense.

Take care mate!
 
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First of all, UFO means "unidentified flying objects", which means we have no idea what they were. Secondly, nothing that can occur in this universe is a "threat" to Christianity. God's truth rules over anything else that can exist.
 
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Sept 2019 the U.S. Navy confirms existence of UFOs with hard evidence including visual sightings over a period of years -- and also tracking them on radar as well as engaging them in arial maneuver (dog fights) where they are not firing on anything just trying to follow/track it.

Does your view of Christianity view this as a threat to Christianity? a threat to evangelism in the context of a public being informed that UFO's are real and not merely swamp gas?

Sept 2019 the U.S. Navy confirms existence of UFOs with hard evidence including visual sightings over a period of years -- and also tracking them on radar as well as engaging them in arial maneuver (dog fights) where they are not firing on anything just trying to follow/track it.

Does your view of Christianity view this as a threat to Christianity? a threat to evangelism in the context of a public being informed that UFO's are real and not merely swamp gas? Or will it increase the ability to evangelize the public in favor of Christianity in your view?

Many people who have been discussing this idea for a long time ... claim that publicly admitting to it would be a problem for Christianity.

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CNN Sept 2019..

May 2019 ABC News GoodMorningAm George Stephanopoulos, Chris Mellon interview with lots of vid
– 4:35 "how do you explain all this full disclosure yet no reaction??

--Fox news 00:00 Sep 19 starts with Navy official acknowledgement Sept 2019
00:35 this seems like a “change” in the way govt/navy is addressing the topic
1:25 so US Govt admitting … this is watershed moment.. but not getting public reaction? Why?

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ufo news 2019 Nov - Bing video

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How all this news - came about - in the first place.

3:15 len: Fox News Christofpher Mellon May 2019

00:25“we know UFOs exist
02:13 – History channel clip from unexplained.
03:00 operating in and around military installations


The Bible tells us that there is God, there is man, there are angels and there are fallen angels(demons) If those are the choices it logically follows on from that what alien sightings are.

UFO means Unidentified Flying Object. If in this day and age of flight there had been no unidentified flying objects seen then people must be walking around blindfolded. UFO does not mean alien aircraft or sighting. So we can sweep a good 80% or more away as simply being something people don't recognize.

Since actual sightings (real ones not hallucinations from drugs or fakes) are demons, why would Christianity not expect them? Demons are as much as a threat as they have ever been. They are ready for people to dabble in the occult and take possession of them, to lead people away from grace down the road to hell or to simply give bad thoughts. Just because the modus operandum has changed from scaring tribes into sacrificing young women to make sure their crops grew well to today's alien cults where people worship 'aliens' doesn't mean the original objectives have changed. To get as many people as possible from worshipping the one true God and to worship them and Satan.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 
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I don't think that one made it out of the lab.. but then again, right?

My fave UFO. Early 60's (a lot happening then, wasn't there?) Standing in my back yard, doing little kid stuff Suddenly, off in the west, what sounded like an explosion, and then it was wham-wham-wham-wham-Wham[ WHam-WHAMWHAMWHAMWHAM-wham...wham... wham...gone. All I saw was a tiny silver dot moving faster than anything I'd ever seen before, horizon to horizon in - what? - 3 seconds?, leaving a contrail that looked like a string of pearls. Dunno whether it was sonic booms or the thing's engine(s) or what. Everybody on the street came running out to see what it was, but except for me, all they saw was the contrail. No explanation to this day what it might have been. Ergo I assume it was a flying saucer driven by spacemen.

Utter nonsense.

Take care mate!
Or a pulse jet. Even if antigravity devices are possible, applying the technology to an aircraft is another step again. It's still more likely than aliens. Maybe only just.............
 
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I have a friend who told me he used to look at UFO books all the time. His dad, an officer in the air force, noticed him reading. He said, "you like those kinds of books, don't you?" To which he replied in the affirmative. Then his dad said, "those are secret military aircraft." To him, there was no mystery.

On the other hand, I like what Larry Norman said something to the effect in the song God Part III, "If there are aliens, I know that You died for them too."

I also heard a programme that said that most of the alien encounters matched up with the occult which suggests demon activity.

In my mind, this kind of thinking is another distraction that the enemy uses to take our eyes and our focus off of Jesus. No, we don't know everything. We would be arrogant to say that we know for a fact one way or the other. What we do know, is Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and we should concentrate our focus on seeking and reaching the lost because the time is short and not be distracted by anything else. It is all about Jesus.
 
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