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Featured Does the recently confirmed existence of UfO's pose a threat to Christianity?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by BobRyan, Nov 23, 2019.

  1. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    A foundation of quicksand, hmmmm...... is it okay to build upon that ?!
     
  2. BobRyan

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    The problem with the man-made option is that these sightings by our military are cases where the objects are in or near military air space, are "on display" for days or weeks at a time and exhibit characteristics in flight centuries beyond our own. So why would a top-secret Russian or Chinese project want to constantly "out itself" specifically in front of our military for the past 20 years? When we ourselves have not yet "discovered" the top secret program that our adversaries have?

    There is no such thing in all of the existence of the U.S. were our adversaries where so persistent and dedicated to exposing their own top secret programs specifically in front of our military, while not claiming credit for them.

    One could argue that when the U.S. dropped the A-bomb and tested the H-bomb they did it so all the world could see -- but that would be a case of slapping our name on the technology and telling everyone we had it so don't mess with us. In that case it is clear that it is being exposed and why.

    Which then leads to the OP videos. if the non-Christian accepts the narrative as "science fact" then what is their incentive to accept Christianity and declare that UFO fact to "be of the devil" when it is supposedly accepted science observation fact?
     
  3. Dorothy Mae

    Dorothy Mae Well-Known Member

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    While the reports confirm superior intelligence, they also confirm greatly inferior morals.
     
  4. BobRyan

    BobRyan Junior Member

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    well that's certainly a bad combination
     
  5. Basil the Great

    Basil the Great Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You may well be correct.
     
  6. Jipsah

    Jipsah Blood Drinker

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    Which still doesn't mean gthat any flying thing we don't recognize is a flying saucer. That is simply ridiculous.
    And concludes that if they're unexplained, then they must be flying saucers? If so, then it's utter nonsense.

    We know that swamp gas at least actually exists. Flying saucers? We have no such knowledge.
     
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  7. RickardoHolmes

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    AND if you read the works of Michio Kaku, one of my favorite futurists, the energy required for such a phenomenon is currently greater than our technology today can allow.

    I have always said that just because something is a UFO does not mean it is Aliens. But it does make for great ideas and good stories.
     
  8. Jipsah

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    Ah, I see. Any flying thing you can't identify, and isn't swamp gas, must be a flying saucer driven either by spacemen or demons. Got it.

    Denier of what, precisely? That people see aerial objects they can't identify? Of course they do, all the time. The Navy even says so. It's the claim that such things must necessarily be spaceships or demons is really too goofy to be taken seriously.

    You take your "identification" of unidentified flying objects as a matter of faith. You "know", without evidence, that they must be spacemen or devils. It may well be a tenet of your religion, I don't know. But to me it makes as little sense as believing people who look strange to you must be devils. Same mindset, really.
     
  9. Jipsah

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    I posted one of my UFO sightings here, a seemingly hypersonic craft leaving a string-of-pearls contrail, that meets the description of no aircraft from that time that I have ever found. (And I've looked). Using your logic, it must necessarily have been either a flying saucer, a demonic manifestion, or swamp gas. So which was it? What kind of theological ramifications does it have? If it was spacemen, should we be arming against them, welcoming them as the Bearers of True Enlightenment, or extending them a civil greeting but keeping a wary eye on 'em? If it was demons, then to hell with 'em. I don't think swamp gas adequately explains its behavior. What say you?
     
  10. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    UFO = unidentified flying object.
    UFO =/= aliens/demons/flying spaghetti monsters

    Acknowledging that there is unexplained phenomenon means that there is unexplained phenomenon.

    If it was confirmed that UFO's were otherworldly visitors, then they wouldn't be UFOs, they'd be IFOs, identified flying objects.

    That "unidentified" part is critically important.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  11. JacksBratt

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    Many things are explained... however many do things that is not possible with our technology.. My point was that things once written off as swamp gas or drunken hallucinations... are now on video.

    Many are found to be hoaxes... fabricated... that is what is meant by "explained". Many are plain supernatural and "unexplained".


    Obviously..... as expected.... you sat in front of your computer and responded, without checking out the site...

    How does that go? Don't comment on something you haven't explored?
     
  12. JacksBratt

    JacksBratt Searching for Truth

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    I agree except they are not "man made systems"
     
  13. fwGod

    fwGod Psalm 119:63

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    The letters "UFO" are too closely associated with extraterrestrial (highly intelligent) beings from another part of the galaxy.
    Atheism allows for such beings due to their evolutionary doctrine.

    However, the Bible focuses it's attention on the earth, speaking of God who has made Man in His own image. From that I conclude that there is no other greater intelligent life anywhere else.

    Therefore, the use of "UFO" by any trusted branch of the media.. is according to the non conspiracy theory usage, unidentified flying objects.

    There is nothing of man that is a threat to Christ, nor His Body.
     
  14. coffee4u

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    Firstly most people don't give much thought to UFO's. I don't see it as a huge stumbling block to the unbeliever. What is a huge stumbling block is creation since science has 'proved' it didn't happen. Since people these days tend to believe God wasn't even needed to create complex life forms I hardly think aliens matter. Anyway, nobody comes to faith unless God calls them and their hearts are open.
     
  15. BobRyan

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    Seriously? Have you ever tried to share the gospel with some unbeliever that thought that UFOs were legit science confirmed?

    Certainly I agree that that one is a huge road block to unbelievers when they look at the Bible, the Gospel the book of Genesis the fall of Adam etc, if they can't shake the notion that humans evolved from bacteria instead of the Bible account for creation and the fall of man.
     
  16. BobRyan

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    Agreed. It fits the atheist paradigm - but could be a problem for someone trying to share the gospel with someone who thinks that UFOs are "science fact" as of Sept 2019 as Michio Kaku has also seemed to admit.
     
  17. BobRyan

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    No doubt "Something unexplained" the OP however points to a "change" and as that OP video points out with Michio Kaku - the "burden of proof has shifted" since that Sept confirmation about UFOs.
     
  18. BobRyan

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    When it dogfight-out-maneuvers our best jet fighters - zips off over the horizon "and back" in 2 or 3 second period of time - and did it 15 years ago with ability that is still a century beyond our best today... it simply means it is "very incredibly talented/gifted/advanced" but "from where" is another question.

    Of course that is just the video/radar track/ evidence we have at this point - there is probably a lot more where that came from -- but my point is not that some ability "exists" my point is that unbelievers who take this "UFOs just became science fact" POV might be a little more difficult to reach with the gospel.
     
  19. JacksBratt

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    I disagree with this.. UFO's and aliens are contrary to the biblical narrative of a creator, a savior and revelation. Saying that it doesn't... is dangerous.


    Science wishes it could prove it didn't happen. However, they still cannot produce life, protein or DNA from a nothing.. It's a bust.

    See, already people don't believe God was needed... which, if evolution was true, would be true itself..then beings on other planets is right up the same story line.

    Add that "aliens" are demons and fallen angels... inter dimensional beings that parallel the bible... now you are getting them back on track.


    Absolutely 100% True.... two thumbs way up......
     
  20. Mathetes66

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    And if you believe these stories WITHOUT VERIFIABLE proof, then I've got some swamp land in the Mohave desert for cheap.
     
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