America is the Best, Most Free, and Most Prosperous Country on Earth: Change My Mind

[brinny]

If you didn't notice in the video --

today Aynaz Anni Cyrus
could not enter United States, as a refugee, as she was.

Why?

Because as a refugee without wealth, she would not have been able to meet this new restriction:

Trump Will Deny Immigrant Visas to Those Who Can’t Pay for Health Care
Visa applicants will have to prove they have insurance or the financial resources for medical costs.

(pick any news source; every major news outlet has it I think that reports all the main news)

So...Aynaz Anni Cyrus's fellow Iranian victims of rape, tortues, brutalities....cannot get safety here, today.

Did you know this?

How does it seem to you? Is that ok with you?

It's not ok with me.

Aynaz Anni Cyrus IS a citizen. She advocates for others needing to be free of Sharia Law. She will continue. I've done the same. You stated that "today" Aynaz Anni Cyrus could not enter the US, thus my confusion.

She IS here, now. She will continue advocating for others needing to escape Sharia Law, regardless of any obstacles. The bottom line, is that she, as well as so many others, wish to come to the US based on what matters to them most, and that is: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

 

[98cwitr]

Oh yeah! You want to go anywhere that is truly safe if you've been raped or threatened, or people you know have been burned to death, or had acid poured on their face, for instance. (minute 31-32 in the Anni Cyrus talk)

You mentioned Sweden, which was very interesting to me.

Hi, my name is Hal. I love Sweden. We had an exchange student from Sweden live with us for a year.

Do you know any Swedes?

I thought I'd get an update on the Sweden refugee situation, since you suggested Sweden, and I'd not read anything on it in the last year.

Make sense?

Instead, Sweden now has a situation where some young Afghans have been given protection while others only have precarious, temporary permits. Many have no legal status at all or have left Sweden for other E.U. countries because they feared deportation. Some have been deported to Afghanistan.
...
Then, a combination of Swedish and European measures to reduce the number of incoming asylum seekers kicked in. The E.U. struck a controversial refugee deal with Turkey, and Sweden temporarily refused to let anyone without identity documents cross the Swedish border from Denmark. Sweden also changed its asylum laws, introducing temporary (instead of permanent) residence permits, excluding large groups from the right to be joined by family members and canceling certain types of protection on humanitarian grounds.

Last year, Sweden recorded its lowest asylum seeker intake since 2005. ...
Lessons from Sweden: How Not to Solve an Asylum Crisis

So maybe being so inviting of people without considering how well they will assimilate, or if their ideologies are counter to individual freedoms and liberty, isn't a good idea? We, based on your evidence above, should learn from Sweden's obvious failures. If you invited the devil into your home, would you expect him to be nice?

 

[Halbhh]

So maybe being so inviting of people without considering how well they will assimilate, or if their ideologies are counter to individual freedoms and liberty, isn't a good idea? We, based on your evidence above, should learn from Sweden's obvious failures. If you invited the devil into your home, would you expect him to be nice?

Talk to Brinny about that perhaps.

I know that I think refugees should be allowed to safety in the U.S., after screening for whether they are criminal.

They should be allowed even if they are poor and cannot afford health insurance at first, initially.

 

[brinny]

Talk to Brinny about that perhaps.

I know that I think refugees should be allowed to safety in the U.S., after screening for whether they are criminal.

They should be allowed even if they are poor and cannot afford health insurance at first, initially.

Aynaz Anni Cyrus is evidence of someone being allowed safety in the US. That is why she loves America so much, and why she continues and will continue advocating for others who are in need of this safety, obstacles n' all, as will many others who advocate as well.

These obstacles mentioned are not "impossible". There have always been obstacles. There have always been those who advocate for those in Anni's circumstances. She's a gifted advocate and passionate about it. So are many, including myself.

 

[Halbhh]

The problem for everyone that wants to keep poor refugees -- most refugees! -- someone like Anni Cyrus and poor, without a lot of money -- keep them out! of the U.S....the problem with that policy isn't from me.

Halbhh isn't your problem. It's not me you have to really justify yourself to about that attitude.

It's Someone else.

You have to face the One Who said:

Leviticus 19:34 You must treat the foreigner living among you as native-born and love him as yourself, for you were foreigners in the land of Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

And He expanded that:

Matthew 7:12 In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the Prophets.

And the fact you will have to stand before Him on the Day of Judgement to come.

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So, I'd be rushing to let a poor refugee just like Anni Cyrus , fleeing violence, rape, brutality -- even if penniless! -- to find safety here in the U.S. today!

Because Someone smarter and wiser and far more important than me has taught me that is the right way to believe.

 

[renniks]

An entire generation that has grown up under the threat of being killed in the classroom. In the 1950's, children prepared for nuclear war - that fortunately, never came. Today, they prepare for the next shooter -- which is happening all too often. I expect we'll be dealing with the psychological impact for decades to come.

What generation does not live under some threat or another? Actually the risk of a school kid being shot is far lower than almost any other mortality risk a kid faces, including traveling to and from school, catching a potentially deadly disease while in school or suffering a life-threatening injury playing interscholastic sports.

 

[brinny]

The problem for everyone that wants to keep poor refugees -- most refugees! -- someone like Anni Cyrus and poor, without a lot of money -- keep them out! of the U.S....the problem with that policy isn't from me.

Halbhh isn't your problem. It's not me you have to really justify yourself to about that attitude.

It's Someone else.

You have to face the One Who said:

Leviticus 19:34 You must treat the foreigner living among you as native-born and love him as yourself, for you were foreigners in the land of Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

And He expanded that:

Matthew 7:12 In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the Prophets.

And the fact you will have to stand before Him on the Day of Judgement to come.

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So, I'd be rushing to let a poor refugee just like Anni Cyrus , fleeing violence, rape, brutality -- even if penniless! -- to find safety here in the U.S. today!

Because Someone smarter and wiser and far more important than me has taught me that is the right way to believe.

This post makes no sense.

 

[Halbhh]

This post makes no sense.

If today was the day, right now, that she was fleeing Iran, and seeking a safe new home country, could she get into the United States today as a refugee?

Past this new restriction --

Trump Will Deny Immigrant Visas to Those Who Can’t Pay for Health Care
Visa applicants will have to prove they have insurance or the financial resources for medical costs.

 

[brinny]

If today was the day, right now, that she was fleeing Iran, and seeking a safe new home country, could she get into the United States today as a refugee?

Past this new restriction --

Trump Will Deny Immigrant Visas to Those Who Can’t Pay for Health Care
Visa applicants will have to prove they have insurance or the financial resources for medical costs.

This makes no sense.

She IS a citizen of the US. She continues to advocate for those under Sharia Law, as we speak, regardless of any said obstacles.

That's what advocates do.

 

[Halbhh]

This makes no sense.

She IS a citizen of the US. She continues to advocate for those under Sharia Law, as we speak, regardless of any said obstacles.

That's what advocates do.

The new rule that would block someone like Aynaz Anni Cyrus from becoming American --

Trump Will Deny Immigrant Visas to Those Who Can’t Pay for Health Care
Visa applicants will have to prove they have insurance or the financial resources for medical costs.

I think Brinny you do care if other women like Anni Cyrus are allowed to immigrate into the U.S.

Right?

If yes -- then the new barrier that will now prevent real refugees we do want to have, and stops them from being able to immigrate here into the U.S., is an kind of crisis for you and me, who care about refugees.

Right?

 

[98cwitr]

Talk to Brinny about that perhaps.

I know that I think refugees should be allowed to safety in the U.S., after screening for whether they are criminal.

They should be allowed even if they are poor and cannot afford health insurance at first, initially.

If the churches, synagogues, and mosques are willing to fit their medical bills and will openly appeal for their entry, then so be it. I just know that I pay $700 per month (myself and 3 dependents) in health insurance, on top of $350/mo in medicare that I cannot leverage, on top of $85/visit copays for myself and my wife, on top of the $1500/mo I pay in federal income tax. So you tell me why tax dollars should fund non-citizen healthcare...and tell me why tax dollars should fund anyone's healthcare. Look at St. Jude's....that's how healthcare should be funded for those who can't afford it.

 

[Halbhh]

If the churches, synagogues, and mosques are willing to fit their medical bills and will openly appeal for their entry, then so be it. I just know that I pay $700 in insurance per month in health insurance, on top of $350/mo in medicare that I cannot leverage, on top of $85/visit copays for myself and my wife, on top of the $1500/mo I pay in federal income tax. So you tell me why tax dollars should fund non-citizen healthcare...and tell me why tax dollars should fund anyone's healthcare. Look at St. Jude's....that's how healthcare should be funded for those who can't afford it.

Right.

So....if you care about true, real, genuine refugees, then you want a better solution than the United States now has put in place, just lately.

I totally agree that churches could help them!

It was the first thing many of us thought of I bet.

The problem that can happen is that if there is a big surge of refugees in one year, such as what if Iran or Mexico suddenly gets much worse for example, and then a big surge is wanting to flee?

In that situation, should the U.S. block most of them entirely then -- the law-abiding but too poor to buy insurance and for which charities cannot meet the surge demand?

Why not let those law-abiding poor in, even if some will end up underinsured with only a very limited insurance for instance, like only catastrophic, for example?

 

[brinny]

brinny said: ↑
This makes no sense.

She IS a citizen of the US. She continues to advocate for those under Sharia Law, as we speak, regardless of any said obstacles.

That's what advocates do.

The new rule that would block someone like Aynaz Anni Cyrus from becoming American --

Trump Will Deny Immigrant Visas to Those Who Can’t Pay for Health Care
Visa applicants will have to prove they have insurance or the financial resources for medical costs.

I think Brinny you do care if other women like Anni Cyrus are allowed to immigrate into the U.S.

Right?

If yes -- then the new barrier that will now prevent real refugees we do want to have, and stops them from being able to immigrate here into the U.S., is an kind of crisis for you and me, who care about refugees.

Right?

 

[98cwitr]

Right.

So....if you care about true, real, genuine refugees, then you want a better solution than the United States now has put in place, just lately.

I do. I just don't want criminals coming in on their coat tails, and I don't want them living in perpetual poverty due to dependency on government. Many come here, assimilate, and love this country and get jobs. I support them. Many don't...many are here with alternative agendas and carry out their daily doings completely funded on tax dollars and dark money.

 

[Halbhh]

I do. I just don't want criminals coming in on their coat tails, and I don't want them living in perpetual poverty due to dependency on government. Many come here, assimilate, and love this country and get jobs. I support them. Many don't...many are here with alternative agendas and carry out their daily doings completely funded on tax dollars and dark money.

Nobody wants criminals coming in.

If someone shows up and suggests to let in criminals, show me, so I can talk with them.

So, do you mean just like I've been saying above several times, that after screening to block criminals, we should let true, genuine law-abiding refugees enter the U.S., to seek asylum? (where some/many would then qualify, but some wouldn't then qualify after that further process but would instead get deported)

 

[98cwitr]

Nobody wants criminals coming in.

If someone shows up and suggests to let in criminals, show me, so I can talk with them.

So, do you mean just like I've been saying above several times, that after screening to block criminals, we should let true, genuine law-abiding refugees enter the U.S., to seek asylum? (where some/many would then qualify, but some wouldn't then qualify after that further process but would instead get deported)

Any politician advocating for open borders doesn't care if they are criminals or not. It's not about wanting (specifically) criminals permitted in, it's about not caring about those coming in to be vetted:

Illegal Immigration: Yes, Democrats Are Now The Party Of Open Borders

And this is not a partisan issue: Billionaire Koch Brothers Launch SuperPAC to Support Open Borders Politicians

Anyway, you need to ask AOC what she thinks about vetting immigrants:

AOC's Immigration Plan: No More Jailing Border Crossers, Fund Caravan Countries - Big League Politics

This country can't stay as the OP espouses if we are importing criminals; willingly or not.

 

[Halbhh]

I think you like or love Aynaz Anni Cyrus.

I love her too.

I think we both want people just like her to be able to immigrate and become citizens. (I think you do just like me)

So, any rules that block and stop and prevent that aren't good. Such rules would not be ok with us.

 

[Halbhh]

Any politician advocating for open borders doesn't care if they are criminals or not. It's not about wanting (specifically) criminals permitted in, it's about not caring about those coming in to be vetted:

Illegal Immigration: Yes, Democrats Are Now The Party Of Open Borders

And this is not a partisan issue: Billionaire Koch Brothers Launch SuperPAC to Support Open Borders Politicians

Anyway, you need to ask AOC what she thinks about vetting immigrants:

AOC's Immigration Plan: No More Jailing Border Crossers, Fund Caravan Countries - Big League Politics

This country can't stay as the OP espouses if we are importing criminals; willingly or not.

I'm unclear on how you feel.

Talking about "screening against criminals", and only allowing "refugees" (not just economic immigrants, but "refugees") is causing you to worry about "OPEN BORDERS"?

I'm not judgemental, and you can tell me. I won't judge you.

Do you sincerely feel that Aynaz Anni Cyrus should not have been allowed to come here to the U.S.?

Is it too much?

Too many?

No Iranians?

You can tell me. If you prefer you can PM me.

 

[98cwitr]

I'm unclear on how you feel.

Talking about "screening against criminals", and only allowing "refugees" (not just economic immigrants, but "refugees") is causing you to worry about "OPEN BORDERS"?

I'm not judgemental, and you can tell me. I won't judge you.

Do you sincerely feel that Aynaz Anni Cyrus should not have been allowed to come here to the U.S.?

Is it too much?

Too many?

No Iranians?

You can tell me. If you prefer you can PM me.

I should probably research her a bit more. It doesn't seem, from what I can gather, that she is a criminal or a jihadist/terrorist, so I see no reason why she shouldn't come here. She's a writer for jihadwatch.org too? Seems she critical of the extremism that is plaguing Islam. If all that is true on face value, I support her.

 

[rjs330]

You are quite right, it is not a debatable topic. On a yearly basis several organizations publish the results of surveys on similar topics to those raised in the OP. Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Norway and Switzerland all regularly place ahead of the USA. Whenever I return to Canada from the USA, I instantly feel a real sense of relief.

Why?