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I was reading Daniel Chapter 8 and these passages stood out.
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Hello and welcome to CF.I was reading Daniel Chapter 8 and these passages stood out. Could this passage be about Trump?
There's a few things that stand out here. And his power shall be mighty but not by his own power (democracy?).
He shall magnify himself in his heart. Trump has called himself King of the Jews and the Chosen One.
I was reading Daniel and this popped into my head so I wanted to share it.
Why is there no reference to Jesus Christ in the "prophecy", or the movie? Have all of the parts of the "prophecy" come to fruition? Does this "prophecy" promote Dual Covenant Theology?
Commander in Chief ~ by Mark Taylor
Who visited Mark Taylor during his dreams before this "prophecy" was revealed to him?
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OTOH: black and white, rich and poor, male and female human beings who are citizens of this GREAT AGAIN USA are in great support of our President.
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OTOH: black and white, rich and poor, male and female human beings who are citizens of this GREAT AGAIN USA are in great support of our President.
Donald J. Trump on Twitter
This is why I love election years.........A better prophecy, and hopefully more accurate, is that we have all heard the 'last trump'
No sir, Dan. 7 says the Little Horn comes out of the Fourth Beast {Europe}. Dan. 8 speaks about an End Times Little Horn {same one as Dan. 7} who has to be born in one of the Four Generals Kingdoms, thus only Greece can be that Nation where he must be born. Greece is in the E.U. and this little Horn has to be born in BOTH PLACES at once, he must arise from one of the Four Generals Kingdoms AND come to power in the E.U. And since Greece is the only one of the Four Generals Kingdoms that is in the E.U. we have the obvious answer where the Anti-Christ will be from. Now, does the rundown of the Dan. 11 Greek Kings in such a detailed way make more sense ?I was reading Daniel Chapter 8 and these passages stood out.
Could this passage be about Trump?
It means Satan gives him his power........Rev. 13 says so. Rev. 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon{Satan} gave him his{AC} power, and his seat, and great authority.There's a few things that stand out here. And his power shall be mighty but not by his own power (democracy?).
He shall magnify himself in his heart. Trump has called himself King of the Jews and the Chosen One.
Dan. 12 only has 13 verses, you are speaking about Dan. 11, and I have detailed what each verse of Dan. 11 means in a thread on this very site. SEE BELOW:By Peace he shall destroy many. This is a very interesting passage because you have a strong man of fierce countenance that wants peace. This is a unique individual and Trump has a fierce countenance but he wants peace. He speaks out against war and he has Kushner working on a peace plan that's just waiting for the Israeli election to be resolved.
It doesn't end there. Go to Daniel 12. I believe Daniel 12 in verse 16-19 is talking about the same king of fierce countenance. Verse 20 is where it gets interesting.
No sir, Dan. 7 says the Little Horn comes out of the Fourth Beast {Europe}. Dan. 8 speaks about an End Times Little Horn {same one as Dan. 7} who has to be born in one of the Four Generals Kingdoms, thus only Greece can be that Nation where he must be born. Greece is in the E.U. and this little Horn has to be born in BOTH PLACES at once, he must arise from one of the Four Generals Kingdoms AND come to power in the E.U. And since Greece is the only one of the Four Generals Kingdoms that is in the E.U. we have the obvious answer where the Anti-Christ will be from. Now, does the rundown of the Dan. 11 Greek Kings in such a detailed way make more sense ?
Hes also an Assyrian {Isaiah 10}, which was basically Northern Iraq, Southern Turkey and parts of Syria. Turkey has a common border with Greece, so I assume he is born in Greece but has Turkish roots/Assyrian Roots.
It means Satan gives him his power........Rev. 13 says so. Rev. 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon{Satan} gave him his{AC} power, and his seat, and great authority.
I don't think you get Prophecy at all. And I also don't think you understand SARCASM.
Dan. 12 only has 13 verses, you are speaking about Dan. 11, and I have detailed what each verse of Dan. 11 means in a thread on this very site. SEE BELOW:
Daniel 11 & 12 historically explained step by step.
The PEACE means the Little Horn will have Peace Agreements with Israel and MANY Nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region, and those deals are already in place, and they are 7 year deals. See the European Neighborhood Policy which includes MANY Nations.
The European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) is a foreign relations instrument of the European Union (EU) which seeks to tie those countries to the east and south of the European territory of the EU to the Union. These countries, primarily developing countries, include some who seek to one day become either a member state of the European Union, or more closely integrated with the European Union. The countries covered include Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Palestine, Syria, Tunisia in the South...........
The EU offers financial assistance to countries within the European Neighbourhood, so long as they meet the strict conditions of government reform, economic reform and other issues surrounding positive transformation. This process is normally underpinned by an Action Plan, as agreed by both Brussels and the target country.
Now go read Daniel 11:40-43 and you will see these SAME Nations are overcome by the Anti-Christ or Little Horn. All of North Africa, Syria, Lebanon, Israel etc. etc. and only Jordan escapes, because that is where the Woman {Israeli Jews who REPENT} flee to. So the MANY means MANY Nations whom the Beast has agreements with.
And now what does the E.U. look like ? Well with all of these North African Countries and Israel, Syria and Lebanon, combined with the E.U., it looks EXACTLY like the old Roman Empire on a map!!
Verse 21 is where Antiochus comes in. Verse 36 is where the Anti-Christ/Little Horn comes in. A portion of my work below.
Dan. 11:16 But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed.
This of course is the Fifth Syrian War. Antiochus III returned some years later with a much larger army and took the land of Israel by force.
17 He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him.
Antiochus III gave his daughter Cleopatra to Ptolemy V for a wife, but she ended up siding with Ptolemy V over her father. Blood is not always thinker than water it seems !!
18 After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him. 19 Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found.
Antiochus III ventured to take more lands, against the will of the Romans. He angered his former ally Macedonian king Philip V also, and was eventually killed in his homeland while plundering a pagan temple.
20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.
Antiochus III's son Seleucus IV became king and had to raise taxes because Rome was forcing him to have to pay for all his fathers wars, he was soon poisoned to death it seems.
21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
Antiochus IV then became king, he is called a vile person. He became king via a series of maneuvers which included flattering the king of Pergamum to gain his allegiance and by the death of the heir to the throne.
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No use going any further.
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.
13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
There is one major difference, I am both called to prophecy and understand it. If you were called unto prophecy, you left the boat somewhere way back brother with these observations.You made several mistakes.
First, you make the common mistake of thinking that your interpretation is the end of the discussion. I'm reminded of what Jesus told the Pharisee's when he said "Blind guides." There's many interpretations of these scriptures that differ from yours.
WRONG.....I understand the Last Beast is a 5th Beast or a 7th Head counting Egypt and Assyria, nothing is revived, those are YOUR WORDS, the Beast {7 Headed Beast is HEALED} because the Anti-Christ Conquers Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region again, like all the other Beasts did. The Last Beast is a MAN !! As Daniel 7:11 says and Revelation 19:20 says. He is the ONLY Beast to both Arise AND Fall as the Beast !!Secondly, you think there will be some revived Roman Empire, I don't think Europe will ever be dominant like Ancient Rome. I think a powerful Islamic alliance will occur before any revived Roman Empire.
This is because you are not grasping what the anti-christ/God spirit is, ITS HAS ALWAYS BEEN !! With a Holy God being ETERNAL that means you have to have an opposite spirit which is eternal also. That spirit led Satan to rebel. So yes, there are many who are against God, we know that because a 1/3 of the Angels rebelled and most people follow evil unto death. But you miss the whole point John was making by trying to insist there is no coming Anti-Christ/Little Horn/Beast. The name is NOT IMPORTANT !! But John, if you will step back and listen, points out that there will be a SPECIFIC Anti-Christ..............he says THAT Anti-Christ meaning ONE MAN !!Third, A lot of people see Antiochus Epiphanes and others as Archetypes of future Antichrists. This leads to your biggest fallacy. You think the Antichrist will be one person, an Assyrian. The Bible tells us something different. In 1 John 2:18 it says:
Once again, don't get hung up on the word Anti-Christ, we can call him the Little Horn/Beast if you like, hes still ONE MAN. And he is anti-Christ/anti-God. Whenever I see anyone make this point, I really just wonder why. We can call him concrete if you like, its still pointing to ONE MAN.The spirit of the antichrists will embody multiple individuals. In this instance, you strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. While you're looking for this one Assyrian, there could be antichrists rising right here in America.
I see this as a problem for many. They will blindly follow antichrists thinking that there's only one antichrist.
A couple of other things that may point to Mayor Pete being one of the vessels for the antichrist. He's from Malta, a territory that was part of Alexander the Great's Kingdom. When Paul was shipwrecked on Malta, some people see this as an allegory of Satan.
I think Bush, Obama and now Trump have all been guided by an antichrist spirit. This is because there's a war in the spiritual realm that's reflected in the physical realm. Daniel talks about this when he talks about the Princes. It says this in Daniel 10:12-13
This suggests they're Princes in the spiritual realm that represents kingdoms in the physical realm. Some of these Princes are fighting against God's plan like the prince of the kingdom of Persia. If there's a prince for America that loses a battle to another prince that wants to thwart God's plan, then Presidents will become antichrists. What does Ephesians 6:12 tell us?
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
A war in the spiritual realm is playing out in the physical realm and many will miss it looking for a singular Assyrian.
Hi wisdompersonfied,Could this passage be about Trump?
Hi wisdompersonfied,
Welcome to the forum.
It's looks like you been doing a lot of contemplating of the end times passages, to try and make connections and see if you can find a fit(s) for the different characters.
I have studied those passages for 50 years, so I understand where you are coming from. The arch villain of the end times has to be a Jew - because to become the Antichrist, he will have to be anointed the King of Israel for awhile. Christ in function means to be the King of Israel, descended from King David, to lead Israel and the world into the messianic age of peace and safety. "Christ the King of Israel" Mark 15:32.
Anti-Christ just basically means the person who comes in his own name, instead of Jesus the rightful King of Israel, who God sent to be Israel's King, but was rejected by his own people. So the Antichrist person has to be a Jew.
That eliminates Trump.
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I don't know who the person is. But he will come out of Europe, once they go to a ten leader form of government in their executive branch. The EU Council is currently the executive branch of the EU in it's current structure.
I don't know if the person will come out of the current structure or not. The first criteria is the person has to be a Jew.
Here is a chart I made about the person.
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And here is another chart I made that may be helpful to you...
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But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia.
And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
One of the basis for being an "antichrist" as John in 1John2:18 spoke of in likening persons in his day to the coming Antichrist person - is that they were once part of Christianity. Which would eliminate calling the falling angels - antichrists. Regardless, those angels are certainly our enemy and opposers to Christ and the Will of God.There will be many antichrists who prepare the way for the end times.
Mystery Babylon the Great is the mystical kingdom of Satan and the fallen angels overshadowing the world and partaking in the affairs of men to oppose God. It did not start since George Bush and 9/11.The spiritual realm is at war and these Princes have a direct influence over the kingdoms of the earth. The Signs of the Times have been clear since Bush and 9/11.
So it's important to read the signs of the times. The Angels, Archangels and Princes are at war in the spiritual realms and this war directly influences the physical realm and there's antichrists moving towards the end times. So don't focus on just on man, read the signs of the times.
The United States and Canada, at the time the person becomes the beast, will likely be allied with the EU (I don't know that it will be called the EU at the time) as the beast will be the King of West (implied) in the final battles of Daniel 11:40-45.We know this war is being fought by angels and there's a hierarchy for these angels. For now I want to concentrate on the Princes. These Princes seems to be directly involved with the Kingdoms of the earth. I believe these Princes will have direct influence over the Kingdoms that will help lead to the Beast, False Prophet and the end times. It's important to know these things in order to know the signs of the times.
If you want to bring up the point of the fallen angels being referred to at times, as princes, I would suggest !Corinthians2:7-8.For now I want to concentrate on the Princes. These Princes seems to be directly involved with the Kingdoms of the earth. I believe these Princes will have direct influence over the Kingdoms that will help lead to the Beast, False Prophet and the end times. It's important to know these things in order to know the signs of the times. This movement has been going on since Bush and 9/11. This can also be seen by looking at the movement of different Countries around the world. Let's look at these Princes.
Michael is an Archangel but he's also one of the Chief Princes. Daniel 10:3
There's also Jesus the Prince of Princes. Daniel 8:25
Look at Revelation 1:5
Satan also is a Prince. Matthew 12:24
Also look at Ephesians 2:2
The spiritual realm is at war and these Princes have a direct influence over the kingdoms of the earth. The Signs of the Times have been clear since Bush and 9/11.
So it's important to read the signs of the times. The Angels, Archangels and Princes are at war in the spiritual realms and this war directly influences the physical realm and there's antichrists moving towards the end times. So don't focus on just on man, read the signs of the times.
My goodness...Just when I think I have heard it all.....I was reading Daniel Chapter 8 and these passages stood out. Could this passage be about Trump? Trump has called himself King of the Jews and the Chosen One.
we get spoon fed the Traditions of Men...........and we fail to do that which God requires, simply say, God, what does this mean..........LOL.........Its so simple, but true, God can't teach us until we put off all those things we learned from men.
Blind leading the blind....happens a lot on this board.....wisdompersonified said: ↑
You made several mistakes.
First, you make the common mistake of thinking that your interpretation is the end of the discussion. I'm reminded of what Jesus told the Pharisee's when he said "Blind guides." There's many interpretations of these scriptures that differ from yours.
Wow, you also?! Nice...There is one major difference, I am both called to prophecy and understand it. If you were called unto prophecy, you left the boat somewhere way back brother with these observations.