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Could the King of Fierce Countenance be a U.S. President?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by wisdompersonified, Oct 28, 2019.

  1. wisdompersonified

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    I was reading Daniel Chapter 8 and these passages stood out.

    Could this passage be about Trump?

    There's a few things that stand out here. And his power shall be mighty but not by his own power (democracy?).

    He shall magnify himself in his heart. Trump has called himself King of the Jews and the Chosen One.

    By Peace he shall destroy many. This is a very interesting passage because you have a strong man of fierce countenance that wants peace. This is a unique individual and Trump has a fierce countenance but he wants peace. He speaks out against war and he has Kushner working on a peace plan that's just waiting for the Israeli election to be resolved.

    It doesn't end there. Go to Daniel 12. I believe Daniel 12 in verse 16-19 is talking about the same king of fierce countenance. Verse 20 is where it gets interesting.

    Could this be Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren? They are both raisers of taxes. It also says he shall be destroyed. So this raiser of taxes will not last long in office. Could this be a Bernie heart attack where he dies or goes into a coma? It says he will be destroyed but not in anger or battle.

    It gets even more interesting. This is because this scenario would suggest a Bernie/Buttigieg or a Warren/Buttigieg ticket.

    Buttigieg fits in a lot of ways. He's definitely a little horn. A Mayor from a South Bend, Indiana that comes out of nowhere and ends up President. Verse 36 and 37 says this:

    Of course Mayor Pete is gay.

    This isn't saying that Mayor Pete is the Antichrist or one of the Antichrists that will appear in the End Times, this is saying Mayor Pete will be inhabited by the spirit of the Antichrist and this brings us to Revelation 13. It talks about the Beast who has the deadly wound that was healed that comes out of the sea(Gentiles).

    This could be Mayor Pete that receives some deadly wound but survives. This is when the Antichrist spirit inhabits his body. This isn't the end though.

    The next beast will be from the earth(Jewish). This is the King from Daniel 9 who will confirm a covenant with many for one week. This will be the miracle worker. Either some kind of religious leader or maybe Bernie Sanders waking up from a Coma and it will be seen as a miracle.

    I was reading Daniel and this popped into my head so I wanted to share it.

     
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  4. LittleLambofJesus

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    Hello and welcome to CF.
    Italy seems to think so.................
    Check out this thread:

    Movie: The Trump "Prophecy"

    This is why I love election years.........

    "Italy has created a God Emperor Trump for their Viareggio Carnivale"

     
  5. Revealing Times

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    No sir, Dan. 7 says the Little Horn comes out of the Fourth Beast {Europe}. Dan. 8 speaks about an End Times Little Horn {same one as Dan. 7} who has to be born in one of the Four Generals Kingdoms, thus only Greece can be that Nation where he must be born. Greece is in the E.U. and this little Horn has to be born in BOTH PLACES at once, he must arise from one of the Four Generals Kingdoms AND come to power in the E.U. And since Greece is the only one of the Four Generals Kingdoms that is in the E.U. we have the obvious answer where the Anti-Christ will be from. Now, does the rundown of the Dan. 11 Greek Kings in such a detailed way make more sense ?

    Hes also an Assyrian {Isaiah 10}, which was basically Northern Iraq, Southern Turkey and parts of Syria. Turkey has a common border with Greece, so I assume he is born in Greece but has Turkish roots/Assyrian Roots.

    It means Satan gives him his power........Rev. 13 says so. Rev. 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon{Satan} gave him his{AC} power, and his seat, and great authority.

    I don't think you get Prophecy at all. And I also don't think you understand SARCASM.

    Dan. 12 only has 13 verses, you are speaking about Dan. 11, and I have detailed what each verse of Dan. 11 means in a thread on this very site. SEE BELOW:
    Daniel 11 & 12 historically explained step by step.

    The PEACE means the Little Horn will have Peace Agreements with Israel and MANY Nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region, and those deals are already in place, and they are 7 year deals. See the European Neighborhood Policy which includes MANY Nations.

    The European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) is a foreign relations instrument of the European Union (EU) which seeks to tie those countries to the east and south of the European territory of the EU to the Union. These countries, primarily developing countries, include some who seek to one day become either a member state of the European Union, or more closely integrated with the European Union. The countries covered include Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Palestine, Syria, Tunisia in the South...........

    The EU offers financial assistance to countries within the European Neighbourhood, so long as they meet the strict conditions of government reform, economic reform and other issues surrounding positive transformation. This process is normally underpinned by an Action Plan, as agreed by both Brussels and the target country.

    Now go read Daniel 11:40-43 and you will see these SAME Nations are overcome by the Anti-Christ or Little Horn. All of North Africa, Syria, Lebanon, Israel etc. etc. and only Jordan escapes, because that is where the Woman {Israeli Jews who REPENT} flee to. So the MANY means MANY Nations whom the Beast has agreements with.

    And now what does the E.U. look like ? Well with all of these North African Countries and Israel, Syria and Lebanon, combined with the E.U., it looks EXACTLY like the old Roman Empire on a map!!

    Verse 21 is where Antiochus comes in. Verse 36 is where the Anti-Christ/Little Horn comes in. A portion of my work below.

    Dan. 11:16 But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed.

    This of course is the Fifth Syrian War. Antiochus III returned some years later with a much larger army and took the land of Israel by force.

    17 He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him.

    Antiochus III gave his daughter Cleopatra to Ptolemy V for a wife, but she ended up siding with Ptolemy V over her father. Blood is not always thinker than water it seems !!

    18 After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him. 19 Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found.

    Antiochus III ventured to take more lands, against the will of the Romans. He angered his former ally Macedonian king Philip V also, and was eventually killed in his homeland while plundering a pagan temple.

    20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.

    Antiochus III's son Seleucus IV became king and had to raise taxes because Rome was forcing him to have to pay for all his fathers wars, he was soon poisoned to death it seems.

    21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

    Antiochus IV then became king, he is called a vile person. He became king via a series of maneuvers which included flattering the king of Pergamum to gain his allegiance and by the death of the heir to the throne.

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    No use going any further.
     
  6. wisdompersonified

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    You made several mistakes.

    First, you make the common mistake of thinking that your interpretation is the end of the discussion. I'm reminded of what Jesus told the Pharisee's when he said "Blind guides." There's many interpretations of these scriptures that differ from yours.

    Secondly, you think there will be some revived Roman Empire, I don't think Europe will ever be dominant like Ancient Rome. I think a powerful Islamic alliance will occur before any revived Roman Empire.

    Third, A lot of people see Antiochus Epiphanes and others as Archetypes of future Antichrists. This leads to your biggest fallacy. You think the Antichrist will be one person, an Assyrian. The Bible tells us something different. In 1 John 2:18 it says:

    You can also see this in 1 John 4:3

    The spirit of the antichrists will embody multiple individuals. In this instance, you strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. While you're looking for this one Assyrian, there could be antichrists rising right here in America.

    I see this as a problem for many. They will blindly follow antichrists thinking that there's only one antichrist.

    A couple of other things that may point to Mayor Pete being one of the vessels for the antichrist. He's from Malta, a territory that was part of Alexander the Great's Kingdom. When Paul was shipwrecked on Malta, some people see this as an allegory of Satan.

    I think Bush, Obama and now Trump have all been guided by an antichrist spirit. This is because there's a war in the spiritual realm that's reflected in the physical realm. Daniel talks about this when he talks about the Princes. It says this in Daniel 10:12-13

    This suggests they're Princes in the spiritual realm that represents kingdoms in the physical realm. Some of these Princes are fighting against God's plan like the prince of the kingdom of Persia. If there's a prince for America that loses a battle to another prince that wants to thwart God's plan, then Presidents will become antichrists. What does Ephesians 6:12 tell us?

    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    A war in the spiritual realm is playing out in the physical realm and many will miss it looking for a singular Assyrian.
     
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  7. Revealing Times

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    There is one major difference, I am both called to prophecy and understand it. If you were called unto prophecy, you left the boat somewhere way back brother with these observations.

    Please spare me the idioms about blind guides, saying these things doesn't make you right or wrong per se. We are only right when we understand what God the holy spirit is saying, using those idioms avails one nothing at all, some people seem to think they do however [profess one to be correct].

    WRONG.....I understand the Last Beast is a 5th Beast or a 7th Head counting Egypt and Assyria, nothing is revived, those are YOUR WORDS, the Beast {7 Headed Beast is HEALED} because the Anti-Christ Conquers Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region again, like all the other Beasts did. The Last Beast is a MAN !! As Daniel 7:11 says and Revelation 19:20 says. He is the ONLY Beast to both Arise AND Fall as the Beast !!

    And yes, God can not lie, the Little Horn ARISES out of the Fourth Beast {E.U.} just as the bible states and no, Islam is not going to be a major player, Islam is the largest part of the Harlot and will be DESTROYED, See Rev. 17:16. As will Hinduism, Buddhism, Witchcraft and all false religions, just like Rev. 17:1 says, the Harlot is Judged. Joel Richardson and Shoebat are just plain wrong !!

    This is because you are not grasping what the anti-christ/God spirit is, ITS HAS ALWAYS BEEN !! With a Holy God being ETERNAL that means you have to have an opposite spirit which is eternal also. That spirit led Satan to rebel. So yes, there are many who are against God, we know that because a 1/3 of the Angels rebelled and most people follow evil unto death. But you miss the whole point John was making by trying to insist there is no coming Anti-Christ/Little Horn/Beast. The name is NOT IMPORTANT !! But John, if you will step back and listen, points out that there will be a SPECIFIC Anti-Christ..............he says THAT Anti-Christ meaning ONE MAN !!

    1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

    John points to ONE MAN.....that Anti-Christ, you miss the forest for the trees here brother. You hear people spout these things, but they twist them like pretzels. Scripture has to check out on all fronts, the Little Horn can't just come out of the Fourth Beast of Dan. 7, he must also arise from one of the Four Generals, and that can ONLY be Greece, but you know why you can't except it? The same reason I was stuck in a rut 5 years ago, after 25 plus years of being called unto Prophecy, I asked God why there were so many definitions of Babylon, the Harlot etc. etc. and why, since He called me specifically to Prophecy, I was stuck in a rut, And I got this, Ron, you guys already know it all !!

    Then I understood, Men's Traditions are hampering us like they did the Pharisees, but via prophecy in these end times. The book of Revelation/Daniel etc. etc. were very hard to understand as young Christians, so in those areas as young Christians we all tend to defer to OTHERS, and thus we get spoon fed the Traditions of Men...........and we fail to do that which God requires, simply say, God, what does this mean..........LOL.........Its so simple, but true, God can't teach us until we put off all those things we learned from men. We have to soak up Gods wisdom/favor/understandings like we did whilst reading the Gospels !! Amen. Stop hearing men, ask God, and if you listen to men, still ask God to give you understanding, because John and Paul were men also, as am I of course. But when we see 100's of ideas on what Babylon is, "Houston, we have a problem" !!

    Once again, don't get hung up on the word Anti-Christ, we can call him the Little Horn/Beast if you like, hes still ONE MAN. And he is anti-Christ/anti-God. Whenever I see anyone make this point, I really just wonder why. We can call him concrete if you like, its still pointing to ONE MAN.

    The Man will be born in Greece and come to power in the E.U. like I said brother. Mayor Pete is of Satan, until he repents of his homosexuality, but he doesn't fit.

    The prince of Persia was Apollyon, hes now in the bottomless pit, hes the Scarlet Colored Beast with NO CROWN of Rev. 17:7. Dan. 10 happened 2500 plus years ago however.

    This was Satan and Apollyon not wanting to allow Alexander the Great to defeat Persia. They resisted 21 days, to no avail, God is God.
     
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  8. Douggg

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    Hi wisdompersonfied,

    Welcome to the forum.

    It's looks like you been doing a lot of contemplating of the end times passages, to try and make connections and see if you can find a fit(s) for the different characters.

    I have studied those passages for 50 years, so I understand where you are coming from. The arch villain of the end times has to be a Jew - because to become the Antichrist, he will have to be anointed the King of Israel for awhile. Christ in function means to be the King of Israel, descended from King David, to lead Israel and the world into the messianic age of peace and safety. "Christ the King of Israel" Mark 15:32.

    Anti-Christ just basically means the person who comes in his own name, instead of Jesus the rightful King of Israel, who God sent to be Israel's King, but was rejected by his own people. So the Antichrist person has to be a Jew.

    That eliminates Trump.

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    I don't know who the person is. But he will come out of Europe, once they go to a ten leader form of government in their executive branch. The EU Council is currently the executive branch of the EU in it's current structure.

    I don't know if the person will come out of the current structure or not. The first criteria is the person has to be a Jew.

    Here is a chart I made about the person.


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    And here is another chart I made that may be helpful to you...


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  9. wisdompersonified

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    You guys prove my point. There's many interpretation that all make predictions about this one person. Yes, the Beast and the False Prophet are probably one person but you have people who make the case that the False Prophet is America and the Beast and the False Prophet are political systems.

    My point is this, you will miss the forest for the trees if you look for one individual. The Bible says in Matthew 16:3

    And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

    There will be many antichrists who prepare the way for the end times. The Bible tells us there's a war in the spiritual realms and this war is also played out in the physical realm and eventually the two will merge.

    We know this war is being fought by angels and there's a hierarchy for these angels. For now I want to concentrate on the Princes. These Princes seems to be directly involved with the Kingdoms of the earth. I believe these Princes will have direct influence over the Kingdoms that will help lead to the Beast, False Prophet and the end times. It's important to know these things in order to know the signs of the times. This movement has been going on since Bush and 9/11. This can also be seen by looking at the movement of different Countries around the world. Let's look at these Princes.

    Michael is an Archangel but he's also one of the Chief Princes. Daniel 10:3

    There's also Jesus the Prince of Princes. Daniel 8:25

    Look at Revelation 1:5

    Satan also is a Prince. Matthew 12:24

    Also look at Ephesians 2:2

    The spiritual realm is at war and these Princes have a direct influence over the kingdoms of the earth. The Signs of the Times have been clear since Bush and 9/11.

    So it's important to read the signs of the times. The Angels, Archangels and Princes are at war in the spiritual realms and this war directly influences the physical realm and there's antichrists moving towards the end times. So don't focus on just on man, read the signs of the times.
     
  10. Douggg

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    One of the basis for being an "antichrist" as John in 1John2:18 spoke of in likening persons in his day to the coming Antichrist person - is that they were once part of Christianity. Which would eliminate calling the falling angels - antichrists. Regardless, those angels are certainly our enemy and opposers to Christ and the Will of God.

    1John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

    19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

    Mystery Babylon the Great is the mystical kingdom of Satan and the fallen angels overshadowing the world and partaking in the affairs of men to oppose God. It did not start since George Bush and 9/11.

    Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

    If you want to identify signs of the (end) times, one example would be the push to embrace homosexuality as acceptable.

    The United States and Canada, at the time the person becomes the beast, will likely be allied with the EU (I don't know that it will be called the EU at the time) as the beast will be the King of West (implied) in the final battles of Daniel 11:40-45.
     
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    If you want to bring up the point of the fallen angels being referred to at times, as princes, I would suggest !Corinthians2:7-8.


    1Corinthians 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

    8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

    When Satan and his angels sought to kill Jesus in order to keep the Kingdom of God coming to earth and replacing their kingdom, they apparently thought that by killing the King - it would stop it from happening.

    What they did not know ahead of time, that by Jesus's death and resurrection, it would free man from the bondage of sin - which Satan and his angels have relied upon man being in sin for their own survival. For their plan from the start was apparently to plunge the human race into sin - so that God in justice could not destroy them without destroying all of humanity for sin likewise.

    They would not have pushed for the killing of Jesus, if they had understood the gospel of Salvation - because it released man from being hostage to sin. And that God can justly destroy Satan and his angels without destroying humanity, them covered by the blood of Jesus.

    In 1Corithians2:7, Paul refers to God's plan of salvation being cloaked in mystery, not understood until after the resurrection. Which at that point, Satan and his angels could do nothing about it.

    In Revelation 12:7-9, the dismantling of Satan's kingdom of Mystery Babylon the Great begins with the war in the second heaven which Satan and his angels will be cast down to earth, having only a time, times, half time left.
     
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    My goodness...Just when I think I have heard it all.....

    Now if only he can prevent himself from being crucified.............

    Trump Declares Himself “King of Israel,” the “Second Coming of God”

    The president is sick of “disloyal” American Jews, who apparently don’t know what’s good for them. But “Jewish people in Israel love him,” according to the crazed conspiracy theorist Trump quoted on Twitter.

    It’s been an eventful 18 hours in the fevered mind of Donald Trump. Yesterday, the president unleashed an anti-Semitic rant in the Oval Office in which he declared that Jews who vote for Democrats are either uneducated or disloyal.

    Unfortunately, with about 70% of Americans Jews being registered Democrats, that’s a lot of disloyalty. So Trump looked elsewhere for answers, and lo, he found an unhinged supporter who says Israelis (the real Jews!) love Trump like the “King of Israel” and “the second coming of God.”
    Then he cited him on Twitter:
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    Jhn 19:3
    Then they said, “Hail, King of the Jews!” And they struck Him with their hands.
    John 19:15
    But they cried out, “Away with Him, away with Him! Crucify Him!”
    Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?”

    The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar!”
    Jhn 19:19
    Now Pilate wrote a title and put it on the cross. And the writing was:
    JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS.
    Jhn 19:21
    Therefore the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘The King of the Jews,' but, ‘He said, “I am the King of the Jews.” ' ”

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    Flesh and blood did not reveal this to you.

    God bless you.
     
  14. LittleLambofJesus

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    Blind leading the blind....happens a lot on this board.....
    Wow, you also?! Nice...
     
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    No need for me to add anything here. I agree with the replies so far that Trump, etc, is not the one in the aforementioned scriptures.
     
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    Watch out for Mayor Pete.

    I said this awhile ago and now he's surging. I also remember saying to myself to look for a guy that comes out of nowhere and he's gay. Some people say Prophecy is vague but it's very specific on some key points.

    It talks about a little horn. This is someone that starts off small and becomes very powerful. Going from Mayor of South Bend, Indiana to the President fits the bill. It also says:

    Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

    Again, very specific. There's more.

    The Bible says this in Revelation 19:10-11

    And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

    And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

    I think this points to the spirit of Emperor Trajan. One is, Emperor Domitian. One is yet to come but will remain for a short space, this is Emperor Nerva who reigned for just 15 months. Then the beast that comes out of the bottomless pit and goeth into perdition is Emperor Trajan.

    Trajan liked boys. I'm not saying Mayor Pete likes boys but he has that spirit of homosexuality. Here's Cassio Dio talking about this. He was a Roman Consul who wrote 80 books on Roman history.

    I'm not saying gay people are bad just like I wouldn't say all adulterers are bad. I've struggled in the past with sex and pornography. I think God's Grace through Christ can save anyone.

    So, I don't think he's the Beast because he's gay but it's something specific the Prophet noticed. Something we need to look out for.

    I also think the False Prophet will come from Syria, Turkey, Israel or Iran. He will be a religious leader who will get the Palestinians to sign the peace agreement.

    The Russia, Turkey, Syria, Iran alliance just needs Iraq to have control of the Euphrates.

    So you will have the beast(Mayor Pete), the False Prophet(Bernie or a religious leader from the Middle East) and Satan who will either inhabit the body of Pope Francis or the next Pope.

    The Bible says nobody knows the day or time but Jesus talked about looking at the signs of the times. I've been looking really hard since 9/11.
     
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