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The 3.5 years is the 1260... The Great Revolt was that length
The 3.5 years is the 1260... The Great Revolt was that length
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Well, Abaddon is a different person than the Antichrist. Abaddon is the angel over the flesh tormenting locust and comes out of the bottomless pit.
The Antichrist, differently, comes from the north and west from the kingdom of the ten kings of Daniel 7.
IIRC, the original text of Daniel in Hebrew or Aramaic says 2300 'evenings and mornings.'
The Torah commanded that sacrifice of the tamid take place twice a day, at the morning and at the evening. If this verse is referring to the morning and evening sacrfices you are actually dealing with half as many real days. That would be 1150 days or just over 3 years. This corresponds almost perfectly with the duration of the Maccabean Revolt against Antiochus Epiphanes from 170 to 167 BC.
The formula is this....2520 days - these are the last 7 years (7x360 = 2520 days); (1260+1260 = 2520);
The formula is this....
The two witnesses testify 1260 days. Are killed by the beast and lay dead in the streets of Jerusalem 3 1/2 days before being resurrected and leaving this world. Which leaves 1256.5 days. The bible uses the 42 months instead of saying 1256.5 days.
blue - first half
red - second half
1260 days + 3 1/2 days + 42 months. = the 7 years.
The 42 months is the expression used, because in terms of days the 42 months represents 1256.5 days. The 42 months (1256.5 days) is the time that the beast rules the world unimpeded by the two witnesses.
1260 days + 3 1/2 days + 1256.5 days = 2520 days
further more...
1260 days + 3 1/2 days + the unspecified amount of earth time that passes as the war in heaven takes place + the time, times, half times = the 7 years
Now to the 2300 days...
2520 days minus 2300 days = day 220 on the timeline when the animal sacrifices begin again.
The two witnesses prophesy 1260 days. When they are killed by the beast, their bodies lie dead in the streets for 3 1/2 days. Tbe two witnesses are dead during the 3 1/2 days. They are not prophesying to anyone during that time.No, no!
42 months are exactly 1260 days (42x30 = 1260), and 3½ *days, because the two witnesses are prophets, are prophetically 3 1/2 days or „each day for a year“ (see Ezekiel 4: 6; see also Numbers 14: 34) = 3 1/2 years,
i.e. "3 1/2 days" in Revelation 11: 9 is a another way to say - realy 1260 days.
The two witnesses, their bodies are going to lie dead in the streets of Jerusalem 3 1/2 years? 3 1/2 years? No, that is not reasonable.1260 days + 3 1/2 prophetically* days (equivalent of 42 months) = the 7 years or 2520 days.
Not according to Daniel 12. But...according to your thinking.After the end of the last 7 years, according to Daniel 12: 11,12 and Revelation 9: 5,10,15, + has a further 75 days -
1260 days + (719+150+391) days + 30 days (1290 days - Daniel 12: 11) + 45 days (1335 days - Daniel 12: 12),
so calculate the number of the Beast (see Revelation 13: 18):
150+391+30+45 = 616 days - the real number of the Beast is a 616 days, no 666.
The two witnesses prophesy 1260 days. When they are killed by the beast, their bodies lie dead in the streets for 3 1/2 days. Tbe two witnesses are dead during the 3 1/2 days. They are not prophesying to anyone during that time.
You are making a huge mistake in thinking the 42 months is exactly 1260, as if you are solving a math problem, converting units. It doesn't says 42 months in Revelation 13:5 and Revelation 11:2 without a reason.
The two witnesses, their bodies are going to lie dead in the streets of Jerusalem 3 1/2 years? 3 1/2 years? No, that is not reasonable.
The text says 3 1/2 days. There is no term "3 1/2 years" anywhere in the bible. 7 years, yes. But not 3 1/2 years. The 3 1/2 years term is a tradition of men using the term over and over that it become ingrained in people's mind.
Not according to Daniel 12. But...according to your thinking.
There is no 75 days added to the 70 weeks. It is 70 weeks of years. Nothing extends beyond the 7 years.
You have misunderstood the 1290 days and the 1335th day.
I can't understand why you are trying to tie in some quantity of days with 666 (or 616). Because the number is the number of a man's name. Not the net results, the sum of a collection of years.
It is not a mistake if it were a matter of conversion. The mistake is that you think it is a matter of conversion, and not why it says 42 months and not 1260 days in the text. Also, in Revelation 11:2, it says 42 months. In the very next verse it says 1260 days.If I make a mistake that 42x30 is exactly = 1260 days, then what mistake do you do: 42 months = 1256,5 days. Which of the two statements appears to you to be more unreal?
.... And, why can't the two witnesses comeback to life after 3 1/2 literal days?The two Witnesses are killed by the Beast (see Revelation 11: 7). As soon as the Beast comes out of the bottomless, he kills them - that is, the death of the Two Witnesses is the beginning of 42 months of the Beast. 42 months are given to the Beast, and all the world wondered after the beast (see Revelation 13: 3), but if only after 3 1/2 literal days (in the beginning of 42 months) the two Witnesses are resurrected and taken up in the sky - this cannot happen. This resurrection of the Two Witnesses is only after the expiration of the second 1260 days, or 42 months, or 3.5 prophetic days, or 3.5 years. That their bodies will be dead (for 3.5 years) is a metaphor..
Well, you are on the right track here, I can piece two or three posts together and get the right answer. Steve Patterson is right about the Evening and Morning, it never says Day it specifically refers to DUSK and DAWN.Hi Codger
I heard the Antiochus Epiphanes story before and it is a good one. The only problem is that no mortal man could ever meet the specifications of the horn power in Daniel 8.
And in the latter time of their kingdom,
When the transgressors have reached their fullness,
A king shall arise,
Having fierce features,
Who understands sinister schemes.
24 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power;
He shall destroy fearfully,
And shall prosper and thrive;
He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people.
25 Through his cunning
He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule;[c]
And he shall exalt himself in his heart.
He shall destroy many in their prosperity.
He shall even rise against the Prince of princes;
But he shall be broken without human means.[d]
26 And the vision of the evenings and mornings
Which was told is true;
Therefore seal up the vision,
For it refers to many days in the future.
I'm sorry, this is not the description of any mortal man.
It would be fun to think that all the bad Bible stuff is over with. Then I could be a happy go lucky DofJ guy. I'm afraid however that we are living in an intermission between two great periods of Christian persecution. When the next one begins, I imagine the bad guys will be very good at what they do.
The misunderstanding is yours.There is no 75 days added to the 70 weeks. It is 70 weeks of years. Nothing extends beyond the 7 years.
You have misunderstood the 1290 days and the 1335th day. .
Why would you think it would take Jesus 30 days to destroyed that armies that have gathered to make war on Him?This fits with 30 days needed to destroy the AC's army and chain him up. To gather His faithful people; Matthew 24:31, and do other things necessary to start His Millennium reign.
Cleansed of what, during that 45 days?Then; after a further 45 days, [1335 since the AC desecrated the Temple] the Temple will be cleansed and re-dedicated, as it was after 1150 days, [2300 evenings and mornings] after A4E desecrated the 2nd Temple in 164BC.
All those things would take more than one day. 30 days is not unreasonable.Why would you think it would take Jesus 30 days to destroyed that armies that have gathered to make war on Him?
Why do I need to point out to you facts you should know, as someone who has posted on Bible prophecy forums for many years, but is still ignorant of writings like 1 Maccabees 4:36-58?Cleansed of what, during that 45 days?
All those things would take more than one day. 30 days is not unreasonable.
Where are you reading anything about a rededication of the great tribulation temple? And I asked you what that temple need to be cleansed of? What will make it desolate?Why do I need to point out to you facts you should know, as someone who has posted on Bible prophecy forums for many years, but is still ignorant of writings like 1 Maccabees 4:36-58?
This describes the process of cleansing and rededication done after Antiochus 4th Epiphanes had slaughtered a pig on the Altar. It doesn't say exactly how long it took, but reading what they had to do; 45 days would be barely enough.
I reply for the sake of others here:The armies of the world are like ants to God. Jesus will speak and they all will fall dead.
Where are you reading anything about a rededication of the great tribulation temple? And I asked you what that temple need to be cleansed of? What will make it desolate?
Sounds like the 7 year tribulation period. Usually Israel is a shadow and type of the church but Daniel was writing directly to the Church.Dan.8:13-14, "I have read most all the commentaries concerning the following verses and few have little to say, and the others make little sense after I considered the context in which they are written. What are your thoughts concerning the meaning of the 2300 days?
"I (Daniel) heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, unto two thousand and three hundred days; than shall the sanctuary be cleansed."
Phil LaSpino
The Antichrist will try to set himself up as God: "I will make myself like the Most High". (Isaiah 14:14)What will make it desolate?
The issue was specifically (1) the destruction of the armies (2) the cleansing of the temple from what was making it desolate.Looking at the 3 scriptures that describe the Return of Jesus, Zechariah 14:3-5, Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:11-21, there is more than what can happen in one day. 30 days would be about right for things to be sorted and settled.