Who gets cast into the everlasting lake of fire?

[Bible Highlighter]

Can you quote scripture that says believers that are unrepentant sinners go to the lake of fire? I think that would be of interest to your claim.

All too easy.

Matthew 13:41-42 says,

41 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

Not sure if you caught it, but verse 41 says that Jesus will send forth His angels to gather out of HIS KINGDOM (i.e. anyone who professes to be a part of Christ's Kingdom) and if they offend (willfully sin with the thinking they are saved) and or do iniquity (live a lifestyle of unconfessed sin) then these angels of Jesus (verse 42) will cast them into the furnace of fire (i.e. the Lake of Fire) whereby there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. Gnashing of teeth is what wolves do. They do because they are angry. No doubt many will be angry at God because they thought their salvation was secure, but it wasn't. They did not want to see that the gospel teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (See Titus 2:11-12).

 

[devin553344]

All too easy.

Matthew 13:41-42 says,

41 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

Not sure if you caught it, but verse 41 says that Jesus will send forth His angels to gather out of HIS KINGDOM (i.e. anyone who professes to be a part of Christ's Kingdom) and if they offend (willfully sin with the thinking they are saved) and or do iniquity (live a lifestyle of unconfessed sin) then these angels of Jesus (verse 42) will cast them into the furnace of fire (i.e. the Lake of Fire) whereby there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. Gnashing of teeth is what wolves do. They do because they are angry. No doubt many will be angry at God because they thought their salvation was secure, but it wasn't. They did not want to see that the gospel teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (See Titus 2:11-12).

OK so in post #2 & 3 it spells out that which offends and that which is iniquity. All do iniquity in relation to what's described in posts #2 & 3. So all go to the lake of fire?

 

[Blade]

You know.. theres nothing wrong with talking about this. But for me "everlasting lake of fire".I have kids and to many of us are walking up to some "Father" picking up His kids His creation and tossing them in the fire..looking back telling this Father how much we love really love Him.

See this is what gets me. This world that knows Him not are unrighteous. Are against Him. Yet for God so loved the world <--do we see them like this 1st? They are HIS not mine. HIS creation. He made every one of them. He will never ever ever see them again. He made them. Even David.. said let not the wicked be written in your book with the righteous. To never see what you made again. Hard to for me to...

In 58 years.. He show'd me one time ..a very tiny of how He sees people. I had prayed to see people through His eyes all my life. 15 years later He show'd me. What I see.. felt was .. As I looked at people.. this was in LA Calf .. all the people... never saw believer or lost.. but He was crying so very very hard. For not one knew how much He loved them. And in that moment I knew I was only given the tiniest sliver of a glance of how a GOD sees His creation. I truly believe now.. no one knows how much this GOD loves us.

So to talk about a day in which I have no say what so ever other then "did you share ME?" "WHY did you say nothing about me" <--this is what I am working on. I don't get to write in look in HIS books. And I should be the one being toss out. ...again.. nothing wrong with talking about this.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

You are like most everyone else ... confusing what "law" means!
The "law" that Paul usually refers to is the law of Moses.
BACs are NOT responsible for following the law of Moses.

And the law of Moses has nothing at all to do with the so-called NT "works" of
loving Jesus, obeying Jesus' commandments, practicing righteousness, etc.
If one doesn't understand what Jesus' commandments are,
I suggest they are found in the 4 Gospels.

All you have done is introduce a new law. Why did Christ have to come at all? Would he not have just told Moses the so called new law of commandments, and introduced that in the beginning. Christ did not replace the law. The bible says "I did not come to destroy the law, until heaven and earth pass away not one dot or tiddle will be removed from the law". We are still under the law. But Christ has taken the penalty for us failing to meet its requirements. You are close to what salvation is but you have missed the point. As Christians God's Holy Spirit motivates us to keep the law of commandments, as the bible says "the one who is born of God keeps himself from sin". But we are not saved by being sinless. As the bible says "If righteousness came by the law, Christ died in vain". Did you not know "we have been called to liberty, only don't use that as an excuse to sin". What is that "liberty" we have been called to? It is me being viewed as sinless in God's eyes, justified not by my works, not by the law, but by Christ alone. Yet do I sin, no, the Holy Spirit motivates me not to. But am I perfect? No. I need the cross.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

A thought .... what is a sacrifice for? The sacrifices of Moses, were for sin. The sacrifice of Christ what is that for? Sin. There is a parallel here. Christ, the sacrifice, died for sin. So that mean's you have sin, that you need a sacrifice.

We obey because God motivates us to, not because it is our salvation. I have sin. The bible says "he who say he has no sin deceives himself" ...

 

[FineLinen]

You know.. theres nothing wrong with talking about this. But for me "everlasting lake of fire".I have kids and to many of us are walking up to some "Father" picking up His kids His creation and tossing them in the fire..looking back telling this Father how much we love really love Him.

See this is what gets me. This world that knows Him not are unrighteous. Are against Him. Yet for God so loved the world <--do we see them like this 1st? They are HIS not mine. HIS creation. He made every one of them. He will never ever ever see them again. He made them. Even David.. said let not the wicked be written in your book with the righteous. To never see what you made again. Hard to for me to...

In 58 years.. He show'd me one time ..a very tiny of how He sees people. I had prayed to see people through His eyes all my life. 15 years later He show'd me. What I see.. felt was .. As I looked at people.. this was in LA Calf .. all the people... never saw believer or lost.. but He was crying so very very hard. For not one knew how much He loved them. And in that moment I knew I was only given the tiniest sliver of a glance of how a GOD sees His creation. I truly believe now.. no one knows how much this GOD loves us.

So to talk about a day in which I have no say what so ever other then "did you share ME?" "WHY did you say nothing about me" <--this is what I am working on. I don't get to write in look in HIS books. And I should be the one being toss out. ...again.. nothing wrong with talking about this.

Dear Blade: Do you know what the most intimate word for our Heavenly Father is?

Abba

 

[Daniel C]

All too easy.

Matthew 13:41-42 says,

41 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

Not sure if you caught it, but verse 41 says that Jesus will send forth His angels to gather out of HIS KINGDOM (i.e. anyone who professes to be a part of Christ's Kingdom) and if they offend (willfully sin with the thinking they are saved) and or do iniquity (live a lifestyle of unconfessed sin) then these angels of Jesus (verse 42) will cast them into the furnace of fire (i.e. the Lake of Fire) whereby there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. Gnashing of teeth is what wolves do. They do because they are angry. No doubt many will be angry at God because they thought their salvation was secure, but it wasn't. They did not want to see that the gospel teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (See Titus 2:11-12).

Your assertion is just the parable of the tares:

Matthew 13
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying,Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

So if you are basing your salvation doctrine on the literal words spoken in this parable, I'm wondering if you also believe if jesus is a farmer and you are a seed?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Your assertion is just the parable of the tares:

Matthew 13
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying,Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

So if you are basing your salvation doctrine on the literal words spoken in this parable, I'm wondering if you also believe if jesus is a farmer and you are a seed?

#1. In the Parable of the Weeds, we learn that He that sows the good seed is the Son of man (Jesus) (Matthew 13:37). So yes, Jesus is compared to a farmer or one who sows seed. But the spiritual message behind His parables in Matthew 13 are 100% true and it relates to salvation.

#2. The seed is the word of God, i.e. the gospel message from the Scriptures (Luke 8:11) (For we are born of incorruptible seed, which is the word of God that endures forever, see: 1 Peter 1:23-25; Also the words of Jesus are spiritual and they are life - John 6:63).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Your assertion is just the parable of the tares:

Matthew 13
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying,Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

So if you are basing your salvation doctrine on the literal words spoken in this parable, I'm wondering if you also believe if jesus is a farmer and you are a seed?

Besides, do you even have an explanation for Matthew 13:41-42?

 

[friend of]

So is this how you bear your fruit BCSenior? By telling Christians the cross wasn't enough and that us we'reall going to hell for not following the law?

 

[FineLinen]

So is this how you bear your fruit BCSenior? By telling Christians the cross wasn't enough and that us we'reall going to hell for not following the law?

Dear Friend: perhaps BC is unaware of the following fact>>>

"For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."

 

[FineLinen]

“For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

NOTHING!

1. Not death.

2. Not life.

3. Not angels.

4. Not powers.

5. Not the present.

6. Not the future.

7. No power.

Thank God because He’s good, because His love never quits.

Tell the world, His love never quits.

Children of Aaron, tell the world, His love never quits.

And you who fear God, join in, His love never quits.

My God, I lift high Your praise. You are so good.

oudepote= never at any time

His love never quits!

 

[Shrewd Manager]

I think you need to be shrewd enough to
understand exactly who your above applies to ...

Romans 8:28 "And we know that all things work together for good
to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose."

Do you qualify for both of these conditions?

Of course. His purpose is to be all in all. His Salvation is the a to z. He will have everyone come to repentance and a knowledge of the truth. What, you think it's a club?

Whomsoever enters the Lake of Fire rebellious emerges repentant Rev 20:9,15, 21:24-26, 22:2.

Does a microwave say to its manufacturer - 'I will not be recalled'? Or a car say to its mechanic 'I will not be repaired'? Is any malady too tough for the Great Physician? No, He even cures us from death and despair!

 

[Daniel C]

#1. In the Parable of the Weeds, we learn that He that sows the good seed is the Son of man (Jesus) (Matthew 13:37). So yes, Jesus is compared to a farmer or one who sows seed. But the spiritual message behind His parables in Matthew 13 are 100% true and it relates to salvation.

#2. The seed is the word of God, i.e. the gospel message from the Scriptures (Luke 8:11) (For we are born of incorruptible seed, which is the word of God that endures forever, see: 1 Peter 1:23-25; Also the words of Jesus are spiritual and they are life - John 6:63).

The point being,You want to use the verses literally:

41 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

So I wanted to know if you would be consistent and use all the verses. Is Jesus a literal farmer and are we literal seeds that will be reaped?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The point being,You want to use the verses literally:

41 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

So I wanted to know if you would be consistent and use all the verses. Is Jesus a literal farmer and are we literal seeds that will be reaped?

The farmer story is a parallel with the spiritual reality between the life of a person vs. Jesus and His Word. The sower (farmer) is a parallel of Jesus. The seed is the Word of God. Fruitful plants are believers (who trust in Christ and who live holy). The weeds are believers who work sin (Who will be cast out and burned). We are not to take judgment in our hands by physically eliminating them, because Jesus will one day in the far future send forth His angels at the Judgment to remove them (i.e. He will divide the sheep from the goats in His Kingdom - See Matthew 25:31-46). For not everyone who says unto Him, "Lord, Lord" will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he that does the will of the Father (Matthew 7:21). The will of the Father (or GOD) is our Sanctification (See: 1 Thessalonians 4:3). In Matthew 7:23, Jesus says to those believers who did wonderful works in His name to depart from Him because they also worked iniquity (or sin), too. In Matthew 7:26-27, Jesus says that if anyone does not do what He says, they are like a fool who built their house upon the sand, and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house.

 

[Daniel C]

The farmer story is a parallel with the spiritual reality between the life of a person vs. Jesus and His Word. The sower (farmer) is a parallel of Jesus. The seed is the Word of God. Fruitful plants are believers (who trust in Christ and who live holy). The weeds are believers who work sin (Who will be cast out and burned). We are not to take judgment in our hands by physically eliminating them, because Jesus will one day in the far future send forth His angels at the Judgment to remove them (i.e. He will divide the sheep from the goats in His Kingdom - See Matthew 25:31-46). For not everyone who says unto Him, "Lord, Lord" will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he that does the will of the Father (Matthew 7:21). The will of the Father (or GOD) is our Sanctification (See: 1 Thessalonians 4:3). In Matthew 7:23, Jesus says to those believers who did wonderful works in His name to depart from Him because they also worked iniquity (or sin), too. In Matthew 7:26-27, Jesus says that if anyone does not do what He says, they are like a fool who built their house upon the sand, and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house.

Not the bravest answer you could have given.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Not the bravest answer you could have given.

First, you are not offering any counter explanation to the verses I provided.

Second, why do you think Jesus meant that if our righteousness does not exceed the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees, we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven? (See: Matthew 5:20).

Please keep in mind that the whole Sermon on the Mount was about righteous instruction (Matthew 5-7). Nowhere does Jesus and His followers teach in just believing in the finished work of Christ alone. Even Paul says you can deny God by a lack of works (Titus 1:16). The true imputation of Christ's sacrifice is 1 John 1:7. If we walk in the light as He is in the light the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. We have to confess sin to be forgiven of sin, as well (See: 1 John 1:9).

Jesus says if you love me, keep my commands (John 14:15). Paul says if any man does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let them be accursed (See 1 Corinthians 16:22). John says all who do evil hate the light (John 3:20). John says the person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commandments, they are a liar and the truth is not in them (See: 1 John 2:4). The truth (that is not in them) is Jesus Christ (John 14:6). Why? Because they are breaking God's commandments.

 

[Daniel C]

First, you are not offering any counter explanation to the verses I provided.

Jesus is speaking metaphorically not literally.

I don't view Jesus as a farmer.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Jesus is speaking metaphorically not literally.

I don't view Jesus as a farmer.

Jesus is using a real world example to illustrate a spiritual truth or spiritual story. Sort if like if I said free gifts come with responsibilities in the real world to illustrate the same truth in Scripture. It's a parallel story or real world example.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Jesus is speaking metaphorically not literally.

I don't view Jesus as a farmer.

Jesus is said to be a door. Of course we know Jesus is not literally a door with hinges, but the illustration or parallel of a door and how we can enter into Christ is true.