Ruining the Earth.

[klutedavid]

I claim they don't... I claim we can already see we had a very big ice age many centuries ago and we can already see that today we don't have that much of an ice age at all.

Did you miss that?

No Bob, because I studied a subject in geology when I was at university. We covered the ice age and the evidence for the ice age left behind by the massive glaciers.

Yes Bob, the planet is warming and has been since the last ice age.

The problem is that that warming is accelerating at an alarming rate now. Mainly because more than one hundred countries are now striving to catch up with the developed western nations.

So their pollution and green house gas emissions are through the roof. Not hundreds of millions of people demanding power and agriculture. Think billions of people wanting more and more power from coal fired power stations.

Their commercial and industrial capacity is expanding at a tremendous rate and so are their dirty emissions. No emission laws in developing countries.

The real problem is that this planet cannot support an economy the size of the USA and it's emissions, and their demand for resources. Multiplied by ten or more times.

The ships, the trucks, the cars, the jets, the demand for electricity multiplied in the tens if not a hundredfold more times.

The mathematics does not add up, something has to give. And we can see the cracks forming already with a climate reacting to the enormous emission of green house gases.

 

[GingerBeer]

Why do you think Rev 11:18 is about climate change?

It isn't about climate change specifically. It mentions destroying those who are destroying the Earth. The idea seems to coincide to a degree with the destruction that rampant climate changes and rising sea levels may bring to the world as we experience it today.

 

[GingerBeer]

diaphtheirō (dee-af-thi'-ro) The word used for destroy means to ruin by corruption. Or having been ruined by corruption. But it's sated 'implication' or what is implied is to destroy.

We find the same word used in (Luk 12:33) for example:

Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. G1311

Again the moth does not corrupt/destroy it.

Then we have the words of Jesus:
Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

The days of Noah were of such profound corruption God sought to destroy man. So the way I take this is destroying those who morally corrupted the earth. Not those who destroyed the earth by pollution.

Corrupting our Earthly environment with pollutants and blighting the land with constructions that harm life are things that destroy much that is good and ought to be accounted as holy gifts from God.

 

[GingerBeer]

We simply have to avoid wasteful living.

It's probably a good idea to take a close look at Western lifestyle and see if such life exemplifies denying ourselves, hating our lives (for the sake of Christ), and of not loving money.

Think of the all the money we would save if we do and use that money to help the less fortunate fellow servants in the Lord. (reference to the Parable of the Faithful Servant).

Helping the poor and needy is always a good thing to do. God calls his people to live their lives in generosity, kindness, grace, and love. Christ taught that the people who helped others in their need are blessed by the Father and will receive the Kingdom that God prepared for them from the foundation of the world.

(Matthew 25:34-36)

[34] Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. [35] For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, [36] I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.​

 

[LostMarbels]

Corrupting our Earthly environment with pollutants and blighting the land with constructions that harm life are things that destroy much that is good and ought to be accounted as holy gifts from God.

I would point out God is more concerned about our soul than our corruptible flesh and this world. Ought to be, and are in the bible are two differnt things. God is going to bring environmental calamities to this planet. it is part of his wrath. Man has no control over it. I think it is frivolous to attempt to save what God plans to destroy. It is better to ensure your salvation, and your right standing with God, rather than contest his will for his creation.

 

[GingerBeer]

I would point out God is more concerned about our soul than our corruptible flesh and this world. Ought to be, and are in the bible are two differnt things. God is going to bring environmental calamities to this planet. it is part of his wrath. Man has no control over it. I think it is frivolous to attempt to save what God plans to destroy. It is better to ensure your salvation, and your right standing with God, rather than contest his will for his creation.

The view you've presented is fatalistic.

 

[LostMarbels]

The view you've presented is fatalistic.

Prophecy is predetermined to happen... It is foreknowledge of what is to come. It's not a suggestion that the second coming of Christ will be amidst natural calamities, wars, and hard times. Those are signs that are definitely going to happen as a warning of what is coming. No, not all events are predetermined. But Prophecy is.

 

[GingerBeer]

Prophecy is predetermined to happen... It is foreknowledge of what is to come. It's not a suggestion that the second coming of Christ will be amidst natural calamities, wars, and hard times. Those are signs that are definitely going to happen as a warning of what is coming. No, not all events are predetermined. But Prophecy is.

I hear that from the Jehovah's witnesses that occasionally knock on my door saying "hard times difficult to deal with" are coming soon. They've been saying that for about 150 years.

 

[mindlight]

People are worried about climate change and rising oceans. The ice caps are melting. Summers are hotter. Storms are stronger. Do the scriptures give any indication of why this is so? Is there anything people can do about it?

(Revelation of John 11:18) The nations raged,
but your wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,
and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints,
and those who fear your name,
both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.

There are 3 main things going on here.

1) Physically there is an issue with the quality of our planetary stewardship. We need to do better to look after the garden God gave us.

2) Spiritually there is an idolatry of Nature, as if our futures and trust should be tied up with the planet rather than God.

3) politically and Economically there is a fight going on against Big Oil/ Arab Oil / Russian gas. Those advocating clean technologies are trying to reduce the power of these big power brokers and end the fossil fuel based economic model that has enriched them

 

[Anthony2019]

I am currently renting a home which belongs to my landlord. Even though it is only my "temporary" home and doesn't belong to me, I am required to take care of it, look after it, to make sure things are in good working order and to prevent them from becoming damaged. I also have the privilege of enjoying it.

 

[timewerx]

I would point out God is more concerned about our soul than our corruptible flesh and this world. Ought to be, and are in the bible are two differnt things. God is going to bring environmental calamities to this planet. it is part of his wrath. Man has no control over it. I think it is frivolous to attempt to save what God plans to destroy. It is better to ensure your salvation, and your right standing with God, rather than contest his will for his creation.

I think a few of the Lord's Parables say, we are being tested on how we manage the Lord's "perishable creations". That we should manage them with distinction, not according to the ways of unbelievers.

How can we handle "true riches" if we can't be trusted with "worldly treasures"? That's in the Bible.

It's ironic to prioritize salvation over this when these things will also affect one's salvation.

 

[timewerx]

I am currently renting a home which belongs to my landlord. Even though it is only my "temporary" home and doesn't belong to me, I am required to take care of it, look after it, to make sure things are in good working order and to prevent them from becoming damaged. I also have the privilege of enjoying it.

Very good analogy.

Just like the Parable of the Faithful Servant. In the Parable, it is clearly apparent, we will be judged according to how we handled worldly riches (money, resources, and the Lord's creations).

 

[LostMarbels]

I hear that from the Jehovah's witnesses that occasionally knock on my door saying "hard times difficult to deal with" are coming soon. They've been saying that for about 150 years.

First of all I confess Jesus as Christ, and the word of God manifest in the flesh. Jesus the Christ is the one and only true God. I'm not a cultist.

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

One thing is Israel becoming a nation. Since when in the last 150 years has that happened? 1948. So before that time no bueno.

 

[timewerx]

There are 3 main things going on here.

1) Physically there is an issue with the quality of our planetary stewardship. We need to do better to look after the garden God gave us.

2) Spiritually there is an idolatry of Nature, as if our futures and trust should be tied up with the planet rather than God.

3) politically and Economically there is a fight going on against Big Oil/ Arab Oil / Russian gas. Those advocating clean technologies are trying to reduce the power of these big power brokers and end the fossil fuel based economic model that has enriched them

1. agree. But we don't just need to do the job better than unbelievers, we need to do our part according to the Lord's teachings.

2. Perhaps not to literally save the Earth but how we did our job as stewards does have an impact to the future of our souls.

3. If you have a workable and practical idea / solution for clean and highly sustainable energy, why not. By all means, share it!

 

[LostMarbels]

Very good analogy.

Just like the Parable of the Faithful Servant. In the Parable, it is clearly apparent, we will be judged according to how we handled worldly riches (money, resources, and the Lord's creations).

I agree. We have no power over God's will however. Climate change is not within man's ability to affect. We should be good stewards. Be environmentally conscious. But ever mindful this flesh, this world is temporary. This is not our home. Our treasure is where our heart is. Our goal is to be with Christ.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Fourteen Is the New Fifteen!

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

God is not mocked..

 

[Aussie Pete]

Ahh yes. I remember learning about that a few months ago. But isn’t it compulsory in the sense of use it or lose it? If I recall correctly it’s not like you’re getting fined because of not voting.

You can be fined for not registering and not for voting. Australia is one of the few nations with compulsory voting. No one sees you vote so you can place a void vote.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Greta Thunberg To Poor Countries: Drop Dead | Ryan McMaken

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
I claim they don't... I claim we can already see we had a very big ice age many centuries ago and we can already see that today we don't have that much of an ice age at all.

Did you miss that?

No Bob, because I studied a subject in geology when I was at university.

Didn't we all?

And in that course did they claim there was no ice age.??

We covered the ice age and the evidence for the ice age left behind by the massive glaciers.

Yes Bob, the planet is warming and has been since the last ice age.

Bingo.

The defense rests.

The problem is that that warming is accelerating at an alarming rate now. .

ahh now we get to my initial point to you -- do you actually have millions of years of daily climate monitoring to even KNOW how 10 or 20 or 100 years today compares to 100 years 10 million years ago? (or 4500 years ago). THIS is the actual point that is being debated... not all that other nonsensical no-climate change fluff. This is where you are simply "winging it" to make such an outlandish claim to have compared a 100 year time span 2 million years ago -- to a 100 year time span today.

Is that not obvious?