Do you have to be a good servant to be saved?

[renniks]

I will ask you the same question I did to Maria B: What do you do if you are a believer and notice you are a bad servant?

If you weren't saved, you would not care. You pray for guidance as to what God would have you do.

 

[Daniel C]

If you weren't saved, you would not care. You pray for guidance as to what God would have you do.

That is an error,because God already told us what he wanted us to do in scripture.

 

[renniks]

That is an error,because God already told us what he wanted us to do in scripture.

You should not pray for guidance? Does God tell you in scripture what job he wants you to take or who he wants you to marry, or in what capacity you should serve him?

 

[Daniel C]

You should not pray for guidance? Does God tell you in scripture what job he wants you to take or who he wants you to marry, or in what capacity you should serve him?

No. The guidelines for marriage laws and the ethic laws are already there,so you just do it.

As for this service part,if you believe you need to work to be saved you are not saved.

 

[☦Marius☦]

What is your understanding about repenting,from a Biblical perspective?

Constantly turning to Christ likeness. Turning from the flesh and going the opposite direction.

 

[renniks]

No. The guidelines for marriage laws and the ethic laws are already there,so you just do it.

As for this service part,if you believe you need to work to be saved you are not saved.

Never said anything about working to be saved. But you should pray and ask God what work he wants you to do, where he wants you to get an education, who you should marry. Sure, the guidelines are in there. The specifics for each individual are not, however.

 

[Daniel C]

Constantly turning to Christ likeness. Turning from the flesh and going the opposite direction.

Well I would say that is incorrect.

The way we can define Repentance is compare scripture with scripture. The Father ''repented'' in the book of Genesis which lead to the flood:

''And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.''

I don't think God sinned, I think he had a change of mind. Jesus also calls us to repent:

''From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.''

Change our mind,our ways one time and follow Christ.

I see nothing about repetitive religious activity in these descriptions. I think you've been sold on the churches version on repentance.

 

[Daniel C]

Never said anything about working to be saved. But you should pray and ask God what work he wants you to do, where he wants you to get an education, who you should marry. Sure, the guidelines are in there. The specifics for each individual are not, however.

Alright so what does a person need to do to be saved?

 

[renniks]

Alright so what does a person need to do to be saved?

Believe in your heart that Christ rose from the dead for you and confess it with your mouth. Ask for forgiveness for your past sins.
To stay saved, stay in the Vine, which means talking to God, reading the scripture, letting him lead you.
It's not complicated.

 

[Daniel C]

Believe in your heart that Christ rose from the dead for you and confess it with your mouth. Ask for forgiveness for your past sins.
To stay saved, stay in the Vine, which means talking to God, reading the scripture, letting him lead you.
It's not complicated.

Well this doesn't actually agree with what Jesus said:

1"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

He says nothing about "staying saved" but believers have eternal life.

What does eternal mean?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Well the Bible says something very different on how to be saved. In the words of Jesus:

''For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.''

I don't see Jesus mentioning the stuff you listed.

Yes but the English word believe does not fully encompass the definition of the Greek word pisteuo used in the New Testament. In order to fully understand the message the authors were trying to convey it is important to understand the definitions of the words they used. Notice the primary definition involves all of the first three descriptions. Hence the number 1 in front of all three descriptions. The words believe, believer, and faith are all forms of the Greek word pistis which is translated to faith in the English versions. Notice that all three imply faithfulness, trustworthiness, loyalty, and fidelity, not merely a superficial belief in God’s existence but an actual devotion to God.

believe

G4100

Lemma:

πιστεύω

Transliteration:

pisteúō

Pronounce:

pist-yoo'-o

Part of Speech:

Verb

Language:

greek

Description:

1) to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in a) of the thing believed

1) to credit, have confidence b) in a moral or religious reference

1) used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul

2) to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith

3) mere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith

2) to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity a) to be intrusted with a thing


believers

G4103


Lemma:

πιστός


Transliteration:

pistós


Pronounce:

pis-tos'


Part of Speech:

Adjective


Language:

greek


Description:

1) trusty, faithful a) of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties b) one who kept his plighted faith, worthy of trust c) that can be relied on

2) easily persuaded a) believing, confiding, trusting b) in the NT one who trusts in God's promises

1) one who is convinced that Jesus has been raised from the dead

2) one who has become convinced that Jesus is the Messiah and author of salvation

faith

G4102


Lemma:

πίστις


Transliteration:

pístis


Pronounce:

pis'-tis


Part of Speech:

Noun Feminine


Language:

greek


Description:

1) conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it a) relating to God

1) the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ b) relating to Christ

1) a strong and welcome conviction or belief that Jesus is the Messiah, through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God c) the religious beliefs of Christians d) belief with the predominate idea of trust (or confidence) whether in God or in Christ, springing from faith in the same

2) fidelity, faithfulness a) the character of one who can be relied on

 

[renniks]

Well this doesn't actually agree with what Jesus said:

1"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

He says nothing about "staying saved" but believers have eternal life.

What does eternal mean?

Yep, believers have eternal life. I totally agree. Former believers do not.

 

[Daniel C]

Yep, believers have eternal life. I totally agree. Former believers do not.

No such thing as a former believer. I just showed you the lord himself saying salvation is eternal.

 

[Daniel C]

Yes but the English word believe does not fully encompass the definition of the Greek word pisteuo used in the New Testament. In order to fully understand the message the authors were trying to convey it is important to understand the definitions of the words they used. Notice the primary definition involves all of the first three descriptions. Hence the number 1 in front of all three descriptions. The words believe, believer, and faith are all forms of the Greek word pistis which is translated to faith in the English versions. Notice that all three imply faithfulness, trustworthiness, loyalty, and fidelity, not merely a superficial belief in God’s existence but an actual devotion to God.

believe

G4100

Lemma:

πιστεύω

Transliteration:

pisteúō

Pronounce:

pist-yoo'-o

Part of Speech:

Verb

Language:

greek

Description:

1) to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in a) of the thing believed

1) to credit, have confidence b) in a moral or religious reference

1) used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul

2) to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith

3) mere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith

2) to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity a) to be intrusted with a thing


believers

G4103


Lemma:

πιστός


Transliteration:

pistós


Pronounce:

pis-tos'


Part of Speech:

Adjective


Language:

greek


Description:

1) trusty, faithful a) of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties b) one who kept his plighted faith, worthy of trust c) that can be relied on

2) easily persuaded a) believing, confiding, trusting b) in the NT one who trusts in God's promises

1) one who is convinced that Jesus has been raised from the dead

2) one who has become convinced that Jesus is the Messiah and author of salvation

faith

G4102


Lemma:

πίστις


Transliteration:

pístis


Pronounce:

pis'-tis


Part of Speech:

Noun Feminine


Language:

greek


Description:

1) conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it a) relating to God

1) the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ b) relating to Christ

1) a strong and welcome conviction or belief that Jesus is the Messiah, through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God c) the religious beliefs of Christians d) belief with the predominate idea of trust (or confidence) whether in God or in Christ, springing from faith in the same

2) fidelity, faithfulness a) the character of one who can be relied on

Trust the Bible or don't.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Well this doesn't actually agree with what Jesus said:

1"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

He says nothing about "staying saved" but believers have eternal life.

What does eternal mean?

You can’t sum up the full teachings of the scriptures with a single verse friend. A driver’s license handbook says a person can get a driver’s license at the age of 16 but that is not the only requirement. The person must continue reading in order to understand all the requirements. We’re the goats in Matthew 25 condemned for not believing? From the context it appears they seemed surprised that Jesus rejected them despite their acknowledgment that He is Lord. Very similar to Matthew 7:21-23. There’s no indication that these people didn’t believe. If they didn’t believe then Jesus would’ve said that is why they were condemned. But instead He said they didn’t do good works and refrain from sin. These were heartless self serving people who apparently believed.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Trust the Bible or don't.

I do trust the Bible, I trust the original teachings over teachings that were formulated 1500 years after the apostles established the church.

 

[Daniel C]

You can’t sum up the full teachings of the scriptures with a single verse friend. A driver’s license handbook says a person can get a driver’s license at the age of 16 but that is not the only requirement. The person must continue reading in order to understand all the requirements. We’re the goats in Matthew 25 condemned for not believing? From the context it appears they seemed surprised that Jesus rejected them despite their acknowledgment that He is Lord. Very similar to Matthew 7:21-23. There’s no indication that these people didn’t believe. If they didn’t believe then Jesus would’ve said that is why they were condemned. But instead He said they didn’t do good works and refrain from sin. These were heartless self serving people who apparently believed.

Are you a Goat?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Are you a Goat?

No, why do you ask?

 

[1213]

Luke 12
And the Lord said, “....

I have understood ”saved” means one is saved from the judgment that comes because of sin. That forgiveness is offered freely for all people. But, eternal life is for righteous. Therefore, if after forgiveness one doesn’t repent and reject sin and become righteous, forgiveness is not useful.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

 

[Daniel C]

No, why do you ask?

You are quoting a parable that uses goats, you want to use the parable literally.......apart from the bit that references goats.

And yet when Jesus speaks plainly you deny him. So that's inconsistent.