Judas why was he picked?

[miggles]

I heard before too, and i think there is some truth it in, even though the Scriptures didn't say so. The apostles could not write that unless they wanted to incur the wrath of Caeser.

The zealots were fighters who resort to force against romans, and Judas belong to this group. They wanted to take back their land but had failed. The Jews were also expecting a political messiah and they wondered if Jesus was the one. Judas could be hoping that Jesus would push back at the romans after they arrested him.

Since Judas was a zealot, he knew how to spy on people. Even if he was not a disciple, he would still be able to tell the high priest where Jesus was. So God did not cause him to betray, it was his own doing. However the Lord chose him as disciple because of unconditional love and also damage control. If not, Judas might have caused more collateral damage.

you have a good point. the telling thing about judas' intentions is that he hung himself when his plan failed. i think he really thought Jesus would strike down the romans once He was arrested and threatened with execution.

 

[Ricky M]

Sad

Why the long face?

 

[fwGod]

Sorry I made you angry it was not my intent. I am not literate on a computer and I don't know how to do what you are talking about. I am sorry for such a terrible sin and ask your forgiveness

I'm not angry at you, the task presented was frustrating is all. Please don't call what you've done a terrible thing. It's only a mistake that such as yourself makes. Everyone starts out that way.

What I did was go to the thread on the forum where you can experiment and test your postings. Post something then find the edit and open it back up again. See the brackets around what you posted, then just add a comment after the [/quote]

Then hit the post option and see how it turns out. When you're confident about how to make it turn out right, then come back and join in a discussion.

 

[Vicky gould]

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I'm not angry at you, the task presented was frustrating is all. Please don't call what you've done a terrible thing. It's only a mistake that such as yourself makes. Everyone starts out that way.

What I did was go to the thread on the forum where you can experiment and test your postings. Post something then find the edit and open it back up again. See the brackets around what you posted, then just add a comment after the

Then hit the post option and see how it turns out. When you're confident about how to make it turn out right, then come back and join in a discussion. [/QUOTE]
Thanks old women can frustrate in this world of electronic wizards. They had calculators back in my day they called them abacus. Ian going to give your instructions a try. Thanks

 

[Vicky gould]

The verse is a metaphor. The beast is a conglomeration. The angel explains. The 7 heads are hills on which the woman sits. So one head struck to death would be one hill.

A hill is a kingdom or an empire. A horn is a ruler. In Daniel, Alexander the Great was called a horn.

The conglomeration is a unified beast. Seven heads/kingdoms and ten horns/kings. The head that is struck to death is a kingdom defeated. When the head/kingdom/empire is restored. All are amazed.

There is a lot not being said or explained that would make the king of the restored kingdom to be THE Antichrist.

Don’t mean to butt in but with all these metaphors going into the LOF just more metaphors?

The seven heads actually are said to be mounts. Rome sits on hills Jerusalem sits on 7 mounts. The 10 horns will be the 10 tribes from the kingdom of Israel the other two horns are the of Judah. The Lord is going to split the band of unity and she will be a divided kingdom. The ten crowns with seven heads has to do with anti-Christ plucking up three of the heads of those ten tribes

 

[Vicky gould]

Whether or not the word "son" is capitalized was up to the translators. Neither Hebrew or Greek have letters in upper or lower case.
Does it say in scripture that Judas and THE Antichrist were both wounded on the head?
The scripture says of Judas that he hung himself. When he fell from the tree his bowels broke open. Not his head.
The scripture says of THE Antichrist that he was wounded unto death. No mention of being struck on his head.
There is the verse in Genesis that the seed of the woman would wound the head of the serpent. But that is metaphorical.
Judas sought for Jesus to show Himself to be the Messiah to overthrow the Roman government. By contrast, THE Antichrist (during the Tribulation) walks into the Jewish temple, sits on the throne and claims that he is God. So there's a big difference between the two.
Another point. Judas is known by name. THE Antichrist isn't. So that also means that they are two different people.
Every person is a triune being (1Thes.5:23).
Using the theological terms, satan in the form of a man, and the son of satan THE Antichrist.. is the same person. He and the false prophet amount to two people, not three.
The appearance that they have is as men, but they are not men.
No. Angels are not in the image of man. They do not consist of triune beings.
Nor are they in the image of the Lord Jesus Christ. Only born again believers are. Jesus didn't die for the sins of satan and his fallen angels. He died for the sins of mankind.

Angels are in a lower class of beings than humans are. They serve humans (Heb.1:14). And believers through Jesus Christ have authority over fallen angels and demons (Luke 10:19).
Judas was influenced of the devil. But he was not THE Anti-Christ. Judas fulfilled the prophecy concerning him but he does not return as THE Antichrist to fulfill the prophecies concerning him. They are two different people.

To the unrighteous, His ways are not their ways. But we have been created after Him in righteousness and holiness. We are to be righteous and holy as He is righteous and holy. As the scripture says "As He is, so are we in this world."

Praise the Lord for He is good for His mercy endures forever.

 

[Vicky gould]

Whether or not the word "son" is capitalized was up to the translators. Neither Hebrew or Greek have letters in upper or lower case.
Does it say in scripture that Judas and THE Antichrist were both wounded on the head?
The scripture says of Judas that he hung himself. When he fell from the tree his bowels broke open. Not his head.
The scripture says of THE Antichrist that he was wounded unto death. No mention of being struck on his head.
There is the verse in Genesis that the seed of the woman would wound the head of the serpent. But that is metaphorical.
Judas sought for Jesus to show Himself to be the Messiah to overthrow the Roman government. By contrast, THE Antichrist (during the Tribulation) walks into the Jewish temple, sits on the throne and claims that he is God. So there's a big difference between the two.
Another point. Judas is known by name. THE Antichrist isn't. So that also means that they are two different people.
Every person is a triune being (1Thes.5:23).
Using the theological terms, satan in the form of a man, and the son of satan THE Antichrist.. is the same person. He and the false prophet amount to two people, not three.
The appearance that they have is as men, but they are not men.
No. Angels are not in the image of man. They do not consist of triune beings.
Nor are they in the image of the Lord Jesus Christ. Only born again believers are. Jesus didn't die for the sins of satan and his fallen angels. He died for the sins of mankind.

Angels are in a lower class of beings than humans are. They serve humans (Heb.1:14). And believers through Jesus Christ have authority over fallen angels and demons (Luke 10:19).
Judas was influenced of the devil. But he was not THE Anti-Christ. Judas fulfilled the prophecy concerning him but he does not return as THE Antichrist to fulfill the prophecies concerning him. They are two different people.

To the unrighteous, His ways are not their ways. But we have been created after Him in righteousness and holiness. We are to be righteous and holy as He is righteous and holy. As the scripture says "As He is, so are we in this world."

Praise the Lord for He is good for His mercy endures forever.

 

[Carl Emerson]

in the original there is a definite article before it which makes it read the Devil

I don't think this is technically correct.

Can someone with more NT Greek confirm this?

 

[fwGod]

Don’t mean to butt in but with all these metaphors going into the LOF just more metaphors?

The seven heads actually are said to be mounts. Rome sits on hills Jerusalem sits on 7 mounts.

Depends on the Bible version. Some say hills, some say mountains.

The 10 horns will be the 10 tribes from the kingdom of Israel the other two horns are the of Judah. The Lord is going to split the band of unity and she will be a divided kingdom.

It was a divided kingdom during the old testament times. But today and during the Tribulation they are joined back together.

The ten crowns with seven heads has to do with anti-Christ plucking up three of the heads of those ten tribes

The Jews are not a part of the ungodly empire spoken of as "the beast". The ten horns are the ungodly kingdoms/empires. Even as the ungodly empires mentioned in Daniel that are described as beasts.

In the book of Revelation the Jews have 12 tribes in all. They are not divided into 10 and 2. Out of those 12 tribes are the 144,000 they are strong and do exploits. The remaining Jews all flee to the wilderness to be protected by God.

The Antichrist deals with ungodly nations. They are conglomerate of 7 heads and 10 horns. From the beginning of the appearance of the beast there are only 7 heads active in the Tribulation.
In Daniel it says that the little horn (the Antichrist) is the 8th horn, he does pluck up three of the horns, not the heads. He adds those 3 horns to his own one little horn, thereby having the biggest horn of them all.

 

[fwGod]

As I said the Lord's testimony is "I have chosen the 12 and one of you is the Devil." If not Judas who then?

Read Luke 22:3. It says that satan entered Judas.

Jesus spoke of Judas as being influenced by the devil. He was not saying that Judas was the literal one and only Devil.

 

[eleos1954]

Could it be that Judas was anti-Christ? The Lord said Judas is "the Son of Perdition, not a son of perdition. Anti-Christ has a head wound which Judas also has. could this be the head wound he supposedly recovers from in a counterfeit of the Resurrection? Also I wonder about the number 666 it is the number of man. Anti-Christ is a triune being and it appears that each of them will be a man, 6 Satan in the form of a man, son of Satan anti-Chtist in the form of a man and the false prophet also in the form of a man, 666. We are shown angels coming as men a number of times in Scripture, Angels, even fallen angels are made in the Image of the Lord just as men also are in His Image, the Image of the Lord Jesus.

if judas was anti-Christ was given the Sop at the PASSOVER? The Lord's wats truly are not our ways He is pure Love while we vacillate between some and none for the most part concerning our enemies and those we don't like. What a God!!!

Judas why was he picked?

Could it be that Judas was anti-Christ? The Lord said Judas is "the Son of Perdition, not a son of perdition. Anti-Christ has a head wound which Judas also has. could this be the head wound he supposedly recovers from in a counterfeit of the Resurrection? Also I wonder about the number 666 it is the number of man. Anti-Christ is a triune being and it appears that each of them will be a man, 6 Satan in the form of a man, son of Satan anti-Chtist in the form of a man and the false prophet also in the form of a man, 666. We are shown angels coming as men a number of times in Scripture, Angels, even fallen angels are made in the Image of the Lord just as men also are in His Image, the Image of the Lord Jesus.

if judas was anti-Christ was given the Sop at the PASSOVER? The Lord's wats truly are not our ways He is pure Love while we vacillate between some and none for the most part concerning our enemies and those we don't like. What a God!!!

Doesn't seem Judas was actually "picked", more so, foreknowledge of the Lord and as prophesied.

Something kind of interesting, we often disagree on what is and isn't prophesy and what a prophecy may or may not mean etc. being in or out of context etc.

If it had not been stated by Jesus, (foretold prophesy) "through the mouth of David" in Acts ... would anyone had seen Psalms 41:9 as the prophesy (being Judas) that would have been fulfilled? Probably not ... no specifics, no real context ... the only way it would have been possibly recognized as a prophesy is by the actual phrase .... "the one who shared (past tense) has lifted his heel against me" ... and ... because of the past tense usage, would have been seen as something that had already happened.


John 1:13 - Jesus speaking

18I am not speaking about all of you; I know whom I have chosen. But this is to fulfill the Scripture: ‘The one who shares My bread has lifted up his heel against Me. 19 I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it comes to pass, you will believe that I am He.

Acts 1:16 - Jesus speaking

"Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit foretold through the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide for those who arrested Jesus.

Psalms 41 - A Psalm of David (the prophesy)

9Even my close friend whom I trusted,
the one who shared my bread,
has lifted his heel against me.

In referring to "chosen" ... He was referring to the entire 12 who were "chosen" and out of those (chosen), one who was considered a friend, would betray Him and fulfill prophesy.

 

[Vicky gould]

Depends on the Bible version. Some say hills, some say mountains.
It was a divided kingdom during the old testament times. But today and during the Tribulation they are joined back together.

It was and it will be divided once more according to Zec. 11. The band of unity is broken and she becomes the divided kingdom of Israel and Judah. It is very possible that Israel will as she did back then will accept the Beast.

The Jews are not a part of the ungodly empire spoken of as "the beast". The ten horns are the ungodly kingdoms/empires. Even as the ungodly empires mentioned in Daniel that are described as beasts.

According to the Revelation of Jesus Christ chapter 11 speaking of anti-Christs temple he commands the man to measure the inner court but not the outer court. If these were all Gentiles they would not make the distinction. The inner court the Court of the Priest and the Court of Israel. This is the temple with the dividing wall once more in place.

In the book of Revelation the Jews have 12 tribes in all. They are not divided into 10 and 2. Out of those 12 tribes are the 144,000 they are strong and do exploits. The remaining Jews all flee to the wilderness to be protected by God.

In the divided kingdom they are indeed divided 10 and 2 tribes. The 144,000 are persecuted by antiChrist during the Time of Jacob's Trouble. This is not the time when the Gentiles are judged that happens a thousand years from now.

The Antichrist deals with ungodly nations. They are conglomerate of 7 heads and 10 horns. From the beginning of the appearance of the beast there are only 7 heads active in the Tribulation.
In Daniel it says that the little horn (the Antichrist) is the 8th horn, he does pluck up three of the horns, not the heads. He adds those 3 horns to his own one little horn, thereby having the biggest horn of them all.

where and when does he add these three plucked horns to himself to make himself the biggest horn. He doesn't Scripture please

 

[Carl Emerson]

He's not the coming antiChrist who is equal in power to Jesus in this world.

Pleeeeze....

Since when is a being, God created. equal to God anywhere ?????

 

[Vicky gould]

Read Luke 22:3. It says that satan entered Judas.

Jesus spoke of Judas as being influenced by the devil. He was not saying that Judas was the literal one and only Devil.

I know but it also says he is the son of perdition and it is clear He is speaking of Judas and he is more than just man. I have a bunch of verses that I want to download about anti_Christ and then I will get the son of perdition verse thanks for understanding. One of the things my husband talks about of Vietnam is we did not really know or understand or enemy and it was a disaster. Here is a description of anti-Christ found in Ez, 28: 11- 19

1 Moreover the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying, 12 Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

People speak of this as just being a literal king from tyre. In the verses that follow meet any notion of that is dispelled. in the verses that follow you probably will be surprised there is this much information on anti-Christ

13 Thou wast in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, the topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was in thee; in the day that thou wast created they were prepared.

This being was in Eden and since we have been told there were only people there we can use the process of elimination. He was the Lord nor Adam and Eve, by Jove that leaves the Serpent. Serpent in Hebrew can be translated as "bright shining thing" which described an angel. Anti-Christ was in the Garden of Eden not as a serpent but he came addressed as the High Priest. This is him with the chest plate the High Priest wore but there is a difference three stones are missing. When we consider that in the End Times we are told the anti-Christ will pluck up three of the horns it fits quite nicely with this prophecy about him.

14 Thou wast the anointed cherub that covereth: and I set thee, [so that] thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

THE GUARDIAN CHERUB and the Lord set Him on the holy mountain, Zion. A hint to where the Garden was and this head angel walked among the fiery stones the other angels.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till unrighteousness was found in thee.

perfect in his ways from the day he was created. Anti-Christ and the other two who make up this trinity of evil that is Satan are all created beings.

16 By the abundance of thy traffic they filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore have I cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God; and I have destroyed thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

appearently anti-Christ is going to be a wheeler dealer making money like crazy but he became filled with violence and sinned and with that he was cast out of God's mount and he was destroyed from the midst of the Holy ANgels who did not follow him. A little leaven spoils the whole loaf.

17 Thy heart was lifted up because of thy beauty; thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I have cast thee to the ground; I have laid thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Pride filled Satan because his high opinion of himself he saw beauty the Lord saw a snake crawling on his belly. these things corrupted his wisdom because of his brightness which all angels have a form of the Glory of God. Lucifer mau have been the brightest of all the angels except God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. But his brightness played a big role in His fall. Cast to the earth where he will be welcomed by the rich, famous and powerful. Anti-Christ unlike the Christ comes with all the things men value so much in place of the things of God.

18 By the multitude of thine iniquities, in the unrighteousness of thy traffic, thou hast profaned thy sanctuaries; therefore have I brought forth a fire from the midst of thee; it hath devoured thee, and I have turned thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

here we have the final defeat of anti-Christ and the reasons for this judgment. A judgment that will lead the Lord to bring fire out from this angel who was supposed to be one of God's ministering spirits who come fire

19 All they that know thee among the peoples shall be astonished at thee: thou art become a terror, and thou shalt nevermore have any being.

all that knew him will be astonished when they learn that he is not a God and the punishment which spewed out of him burning his physical body, of a man, anti-Christ will have no moew being. Satan is not the king of hell. He does not run hell, he does not punish sinners no he is punished day and night forever

 

[fwGod]

where and when does he add these three plucked horns to himself to make himself the biggest horn. He doesn't Scripture please

Does your question mean that you didn't read the entire chapters to figure out that 3 horns would join the little horn to make a bigger horn?

 

[Vicky gould]

Does your question mean that you didn't read the entire chapters to figure out that 3 horns would join the little horn to make a bigger horn?

must have blown what I was meaning to say. All the horns give their power to antiChrist.
[QUOTE

 

[Vicky gould]

Does your question mean that you didn't read the entire chapters to figure out that 3 horns would join the little horn to make a bigger horn?

By the way this has been great not only might we learn something new or more trevealed it is great testing what we believe and being believers who dwell together in unity. Thanks

 

[jamesbond007]

Pleeeeze....

Since when is a being, God created. equal to God anywhere ?????

Not the Lord Jesus, but the human Jesus Christ. Jesus came to do God's will, and the two Antichrists will one day come to take over the world to do Satan's will. The Antichrist is the opposite of Jesus. Let's not kid ourselves. Satan is quite powerful. He is the "god of the world and prince of the power of the air." He took Adam's domain over the Earth when Adam disobeyed God. Even Jesus knows Satan has this power because he was tempted to become the ruler of the world in the desert. Satan works 24/7 to take as many souls as he can get right now in order to build power and amass his armies to thwart God. He wants people to understand that they do not need God. I realized almost two months ago that Satan since ancient times has written his own Antibible as theory of evolution, evolutionary thinking and history contradicts everything that God wrote in the first two books of Genesis. However, just pointing it out as evidence for Satan is not an argument I can win. Satan wants to stay hidden and he will. People just will not believe he exists. He wants to be God's equal and then surpass him. With the two Antichrists, he wants to take over the world and is prophecised to do so.

 

[Vicky gould]

Doesn't seem Judas was actually "picked", more so, foreknowledge of the Lord and as prophesied.

does the word used really change the meaning? no. I have chosen one of you is the Devil.

Something kind of interesting, we often disagree on what is and isn't prophesy and what a prophecy may or may not mean etc. being in or out of context etc.

Yet we remain the Body of Christ blproclaim His mercy and faithfulness.

If it had not been stated by Jesus, (foretold prophesy) "through the mouth of David" in Acts ... would anyone had seen Psalms 41:9 as the prophesy (being Judas) that would have been fulfilled? Probably not ... no specifics, no real context ... the only way it would have been possibly recognized as a prophesy is by the actual phrase .... "the one who shared (past tense) has lifted his heel against me" ... and ... because of the past tense usage, would have been seen as something that had already happened.

right on the money


John 1:13 - Jesus speaking

18I am not speaking about all of you; I know whom I have chosen. But this is to fulfill the Scripture: ‘The one who shares My bread has lifted up his heel against Me. 19 I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it comes to pass, you will believe that I am He.

Acts 1:16 - Jesus speaking

"Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit foretold through the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide for those who arrested Jesus.

Psalms 41 - A Psalm of David (the prophesy)

9Even my close friend whom I trusted,
the one who shared my bread,
has lifted his heel against me.

In referring to "chosen" ... He was referring to the entire 12 who were "chosen" and out of those (chosen), one who was considered a friend, would betray Him and fulfill prophesy.

 

[charsan]

in the original there is a definite article before it which makes it read the Devil

As shown to you by another poster that is not true, it is an "a" not the. Honestly how many heresies do we need on CF