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Featured Judas why was he picked?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Vicky gould, Sep 4, 2019.

  1. Vicky gould

    Vicky gould Shekinah Supporter

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    Could it be that Judas was anti-Christ? The Lord said Judas is "the Son of Perdition, not a son of perdition. Anti-Christ has a head wound which Judas also has. could this be the head wound he supposedly recovers from in a counterfeit of the Resurrection? Also I wonder about the number 666 it is the number of man. Anti-Christ is a triune being and it appears that each of them will be a man, 6 Satan in the form of a man, son of Satan anti-Chtist in the form of a man and the false prophet also in the form of a man, 666. We are shown angels coming as men a number of times in Scripture, Angels, even fallen angels are made in the Image of the Lord just as men also are in His Image, the Image of the Lord Jesus.

    if judas was anti-Christ was given the Sop at the PASSOVER? The Lord's wats truly are not our ways He is pure Love while we vacillate between some and none for the most part concerning our enemies and those we don't like. What a God!!!
     
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    for the glory of god?
     
  3. Vicky gould

    Vicky gould Shekinah Supporter

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    Great answer

    Just as the blind man from birth as for the Glory 0f God. What if he actually is the Son of Perdition? What does this action tell us about our God? Knowing Judas was about to betray Him the Lord made this offer to Judas before the Passover Seder resumed with the Cup of Redemption. Judas never drank of that cup. it is important to know it was with this Cup of Redemption that became our Lord's Supper or Communion
     
  4. Danthemailman

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    John 13:18 - I do not speak concerning all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, He who eats bread with Me has lifted up his heel against Me.
     
  5. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Man was created on the 6th day but no, it has nothing to do with that because the number is 6 hundred and 66 and it is gematria. What head wound did Judas have...you mean neck wound?
     
  6. David Cabrera

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    Judas did everything out of his will, and he could had repented like St Peter did but he didn't.
     
  7. Der Alter

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    The Greek word ους/ous translated "whom" is plural.
     
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  8. ~Zao~

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    Is Son of perdition capitalized in every translation?
     
  9. Vicky gould

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    Hi Zao, I am not sure if it is capitalized in some translations unfortunately none of mine do but they should. The Son of Perdition is a title of anti-Christ. Perdition is the opposite of Salvation it speaks of a hopeless eternity of judgment and death. The title is no used for anyone other than anti-Christ and yet the Lord called Judas this that night. Son of perdition can be found in John 17: 11- 13 or 2 Thess. 2: 2-4. The Lord is the Son of Life.

    I find this even more anti-Christ is also the in John 8: 44 speaks of Satan being the Father of the Lie Just as we are told Christ, God is the Father of the Jesus Christ. the Lord is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

    Satan is not just the oppose of God he counterfeits God with most of that counterfeiting done by anti-Christ counterfeiting the Christ, The two Seeds spoken of in the Garden of Eden Satan the son and God the Son. The promise of the Christ destroying anti-Christ is about to be come a reality.
     
  10. Carl Emerson

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    Scripture speaks of many anti-Christs arising.

    Throughout history we have seen this...

    Judas was one of many.

    John 16

    18Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. 19They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us. 20But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know. 21I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no lie is of the truth. 22Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. 24As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
     
  11. ~Zao~

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    That’s exactly what satan has always done is counterfeit. You should always study the real and not the counterfeit. When I was volunteering at the auxiliary police part of the training was to study real money so the counterfeits are easy to spot.
    John said there are anti-christs at that time after Judas met his demise. That could mean that they expected another that was to come as well as one future. In that sense it could be an imitation of one of the three aspects of was/is/is to come, but it wouldn’t include all frog/prince/forget the other one, of the future anti-christ.
     
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  12. Danthemailman

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    That does not change what was fulfilled in Scripture about Judas in John 13:18. Jesus chose all 12, yet Judas was a devil. (John 6:70)
     
  13. Vicky gould

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    Hi carl, but only one is called The Son of Perdition. The anti-Christs are the disciples of the devil who we see all around the world. But Scripture tells us there is only one, hate to use this, true Anti-Christ. This is the one spoken of in the Garden who would bruise His heel and get His head crushed. The greatest battle there will ever be never to be equaled or exceeded.
     
  14. Carl Emerson

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    John wrote The Revelation on Patmos long after the gospel events ,and spoke of a particular Antichrist to come. Personally I view Judas as a somewhat pitiful figure not displaying the power of Satan to any great extent. Remember Jesus may have been addressing the spirit behind Judas as He did with Peter, and not the person himself.
     
  15. Vicky gould

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    agreed, but it is still intriguing that it would show the depth of His Love and Mercy seeking to give Satan that final chance. The Sop was a great honor. I just believe He really does, has and will seek every lost sheep. It brings a little clarity to the feed your enemy care for him and so forth. I really believe He walked the walk. How absolutely amazing is He. Always nice talking with you He blesses me with so many in the flock. Thanks.
     
  16. charsan

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    That is what I think. Judas was not the Anti-Christ he just let pride come to him because he expected a messiah that was militant as many Jews did at the time.
     
  17. Carl Emerson

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    Yes He saves to the uttermost - at the same time we are all "uttermost" because we are not within a bulls roar of His Holiness !!! Without Jesus we are all lost, period.
     
  18. Carl Emerson

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    I think Peter did as well...
     
  19. Vicky gould

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    As I said the Lord's testimony is "I have chosen the 12 and one of you is the Devil." If not Judas who then?
     
  20. roman2819

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    There are many theories of 666 and ome of them: It is a number or word that people used when they talked about the roman emperor, during the Roman empire. Not wanting to get into trouble for talking or ranting about the emperor, they use a number /nickname. For Nero, it was 666. Revelation says it the number of a human being.

    As for Judas, many Christians ask why did Jesus choose him even though He knew that he was the betrayer?
    Some think that God caused Judas to betray in order to fulfill prophecy, which would be unfair. I offer the following explanation :

    Judas would have betrayed the Lord even if he was not one of the 12 disciples. He would have spied on Jesus and reported to the authorities even if he was just one of the thousands of people who followed Jesus.

    When the religious establishment plotted to kill Jesus, they offered a reward. Several people were tempted but they were afraid of the consequence upon themselves and family if they betrayed a teacher and miracle healer, whom so many followed. Judas would be the one who decided to go ahead.

    Anyone who wanted to betray the Lord could have followed Jesus and reported His presence at the opportuned time. A large crowd greeted Jesus when He arrived at Jerusalem so it was easy to know that He and disciples were in the proximity. The opportuned time would be an hour when the crowd was not around, otherwise an arrest in broad daylight would cause a riot. Anyone who dare to betray jesus could have keep an eye on where He was. Without Judas, someone else would have done it. But it was Judas who had planned to do so.

    So why did Jesus choose Judas as disciple even though He knew? First reason is unconditional love, and second is damage control. If Judas was not with the twelve, he might have carried out his wilful act not according to God's timing. It is easier to manage Judas when he was around, instead of letting him be out there doing whatever he wanted at any time he chose.
     
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