Is the land restoration to the nation of Israel found in the new covenant?

[Contenders Edge]

So then, we must identify who is the Israel of God today:

Those believers who love the Lord and keep His commandments, that is: every faithful Christian person are designated by God to be Israelites. Galatians 6:14-16 The New Testament writings are clear: there is only one Israel, who are the only one Church, only one elect, be they Jew or Gentile by birth.

1/ Israel, the chosen people of God: Exodus 15:13, Deuteronomy 33:3, Ezra 3:11
Christians, chosen of God: Romans 9:25, Ephesians 5:1, Col. 3:12, 1 John 3:1, Rev. 7:9

2/ Israel, the children of God: Deut. 14:1, Isaiah 1:2-4, Isaiah 63:8, Hosea 11:1
Christians, the children of God: John 1:12, Romans 8:14-16, Galatians 4:5-7, 1 John 3:1

3/ Israel, the scattered sheep of God: Psalms 78:52, Isaiah 40:11, Jer. 23:1-4, Ezekiel 34:12
Christians, His sheep: among the nations: John 10:14-16, Hebrews 13:20, 1 Peter 2:25

4/ Israel, God’s household: Hebrews 3:5, 1 Chronicles 29:14-18
Christians are God’s household: Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 10:20-21, I Timothy 3:15, 1 Cor.3:9

5/ Israel are the priests of God: Exodus 19:6, Deuteronomy 27:9
Christians are the priests of God: Isaiah 66:21, 1 Peter 2:5-9, Rev. 1:6, Revelation 5:10

6/ Israel is the bride of God: Isaiah 54:5-6, Jeremiah 2:2, Ezekiel 16:32, Hosea 1:2
Christians are the bride of Christ: Isaiah 62:4-5, 2 Corinthians 11:2, Ephesians 5:29-32

7/ Israel is the vine and the olive tree: Isaiah 5:7, Hosea 9:10, Hosea 14:6-7
Christians are the vine and the olive: Luke 20:16, Romans 11:24

8/ Israelites are the circumcised: Genesis 17:9-14, Judges 15:18
Christians are the ‘circumcised’: Romans 2:25-29, Philippians 3:3, Col. 2:11

9/ Israelites are the children of Abraham: 2 Chronicles 20:7, Psalms 105:5-6, Isaiah 41:8
Christians are the spiritual children of Abraham: Romans 4:13-18, Gal. 3:7& 29, John 4:23

10/ The Covenant is with Israel: Deuteronomy 4:31, 2 Kings 17:34-36, Psalms 105:7-10
The New Covenant is with Christians: 1 Corinthians 11:25, Hebrews 8:6-10, Ezekiel 34:25

The above 10 proofs totally negate any argument that the Church and Israel are 2 separate entities. That premise is held and promoted by the pre-trib rapture exponents, who must have 2 groups; one removed to heaven, [themselves] and the Jews, [wrongly called; Israel] who remain on earth to face the Great Tribulation.
Thinking that the Jewish State of Israel is the only Israel, is a contradiction of all that the Bible says about who are the Lord's people.

No, they do not. Although they are an informative comparison. There are promises that both Israel and the Church have in common and there are those that pertain uniquely to each. The difference between the two is that being an Israelite does not save, but becoming a part of the body of Christ, which is the Church, does save.

Eventually, Israel will embrace their Messiah (Rom. 9:27, 11:26) and be in Him as we all are and in doing so, will receive all the blessings that God has sought to bestow upon them since their formation and establishment.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

No, they do not. Although they are an informative comparison. There are promises that both Israel and the Church have in common and there are those that pertain uniquely to each. The difference between the two is that being an Israelite does not save, but becoming a part of the body of Christ, which is the Church, does save.
Eventually, Israel will embrace their Messiah (Rom. 9:27, 11:26) and be in Him as we all are and in doing so, will receive all the blessings that God has sought to bestow upon them since their formation and establishment.

The Jewish and non Jewish Israelites have been coming to Jesus since Pentecost and even more so with the fall of Jerusalem and the OC Temple and Priesthood in 70ad.
How is all this obsession with the land you have, going to bring them any closer to Jesus. I have never seen a dispensationalist have such a fixation on the land as you have........

 

[Contenders Edge]

Do you think that Paul would have performed that comparison himself before he wrote Galatians 3:16?

In Galatians 3:16, does Paul's explicit and specific exclusion of the plural seed of Exodus 32:13 provide evidence that he did perform that comparison?

The answers are self-evident.

Following are all of the OT instances which prophesy that in the seed of Abraham, all nations and families of the earth shall be blessed.

In every instance, seed is expressed with the singular declension, i.e.

2233 [e]
ḇə·zar·‘ă·ḵā,
בְזַרְעֲךָ֔
in your seed
Prep‑b | N‑msc | 2ms

2ms = second person masculine singular

Paul also knew that Christ did not come to cancel the law and the prophets but to fulfill them. (Mt. 5:17) If the singular seed (Gal. 3:16) does not fulfill all that which was spoken concerning the plural seed, (Ex. 32:13) which also includes permanent land possession (Ezek. 37:25, Am. 9:15) then the scriptures will not be fulfilled as He said they would be. (Mt. 5:17)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yes, the restoration is in the book of Revelation, where during the tribulation of 7 years, God fulfills the Abrahamic covenant with Israel as described in Genesis 12. There were 490 weeks of years to fulfill the covenant as described in Daniel 9, which Jesus referred to in Matthew 24. 483 of those years were fulfilled, then due to Israel's disobedience to God and their rejection of Messiah, God turned His back on Israel. He turns back to Israel during the 7-year tribulation. The second reason for the tribulation is to have His wrath on the unGodly in order to fulfill prophecy and for His name's sake, which is that vengeance is His and He will repay.

The seven years tribulation was fulfilled during the Jewish wars leading up to 70AD. Ask any Jew today about it.......

This is the Armageddon/Gog-Magog battles that is in Revelation

Matthew 24:6
“Yet ye shall be being about to be hearing battles and tidings of battles, be seeing! be not be being troubled<2360>, for is binding to becoming,
but not as yet the End<5056>
Mark 13:7
“Yet whenever ye should be hearing battles and tidings of battles, be seeing! be not be being troubled for is binding to be becoming,
but not as yet the End<5056>
Luke 21:9
“Yet whenever ye should be hearing battles and tumults<181>, no may be being frightened<4422>, for is binding these to be becoming,
but not immediately the End<5056>

Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive @ PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterist Eschatology and Preterism

CAST OF CHARACTERS: Roman: Emperor Nero | General Vespasian | General Titus | The Roman Army || Jewish: General / Historian Josephus | Factional Leaders in Jerusalem || Administrators of Roman Judea Targets: Jerusalem | Herod's Temple // Maps of the Roman Invasion // Theological Timeline

CHRONOLOGY IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE WAR

Stage 1: Murder of James the Just, "Opposition High Priest" ; Irrevocable Split: 62
Stage 2: General Revolt in Jerusalem ; Zealot Occupation of Masada: August-September 66
Stage 3: The Campaign of Cestius Gallus and the Defeat of the Twelfth Legion: October-November 66
Stage 4: End of Collaborative Government, Priesthood ; General Flight: November 66 - March 67
Part 6: Vespasian Subdues Northern and Western Palestine: December 66 - December 68
Part 7: Three-way Power Struggle within Jerusalem After Roman Retreat: January 68 - May 70
Part 8: Romans Breach City Walls and Leave Jerusalem Desolate: May 10 - September 10, 70

 

[Contenders Edge]

The Jewish and non Jewish Israelites have been coming to Jesus since Pentecost and even more so with the fall of Jerusalem and the OC Temple and Priesthood in 70ad.
How is all this obsession with the land you have, going to bring them any closer to Jesus. I have never seen a dispensationalist have such a fixation on the land as you have........

Eternal land possession was foretold (Ezek. 37:25, Am. 9:15) and the integrity of God is tied to His fulfillment of all that He said that He would do. If He does not fulfill all that He has said pertaining to Israel, then we cannot be confident that He will do the same for His Church.

It may be just a piece of land to you, but that piece of land has had and still continues to play a role in the fulfillment of the scriptures.

 

[Contenders Edge]

When you say "the nation of Israel" are you speaking of a group of people based on geographic location, or bloodline, or faith in Christ.

I am speaking of all three:


1. The land in which they dwell and are destined to inherit under Christ.

2. They who are descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

3. They of the lineage of Abraham who have come to faith in Christ.


In the end, it will be a repentant Israel who will experience all the promises pertaining to them once all of the unbelief and ungodliness has been purged from them.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Eternal land possession was foretold (Ezek. 37:25, Am. 9:15) and the integrity of God is tied to His fulfillment of all that He said that He would do. If He does not fulfill all that He has said pertaining to Israel, then we cannot be confident that He will do the same for His Church.
It may be just a piece of land to you, but that piece of land has had and still continues to play a role in the fulfillment of the scriptures.

But it has to be divided up fair and square.....

Ezekiel 48:

The Portion for the Tribes

1Now these are the names of the tribes: From the north end, beside the way of Hethlon to the entrance of Hamath, Hazar Enan at the border of Damascus, northward beside Hamath, (and they shall have their sides east [and] west), Dan, one [portion]. 2By the border of Dan, from the east side to the west side, Asher, one [portion]. 3By the border of Asher, from the east side even to the west side, Naphtali, one [portion]. 4By the border of Naphtali, from the east side to the west side, Manasseh, one [portion]. 5By the border of Manasseh, from the east side to the west side, Ephraim, one [portion]. 6By the border of Ephraim, from the east side even to the west side, Reuben, one [portion]. 7By the border of Reuben, from the east side to the west side, Judah, one [portion].

8By the border of Judah, from the east side to the west side, shall be the offering which you shall offer, twenty-five thousand [reeds] in breadth, and in length as one of the portions, from the east side to the west side: and the sanctuary shall be in its midst. 9The offering that you shall offer to Yahweh shall be twenty-five thousand [reeds] in length, and ten thousand in breadth.

The Portion for the Priests

10For these, even for the priests, shall be the holy offering: toward the north twenty-five thousand [in length], and toward the west ten thousand in breadth, and toward the east ten thousand in breadth, and toward the south twenty-five thousand in length: and the sanctuary of Yahweh shall be in its midst.

The Portion for the Prince

21The residue shall be for the prince, on the one side and on the other of the holy offering and of the possession of the city; in front of the twenty-five thousand of the offering toward the east border, and westward in front of the twenty-five thousand toward the west border, answerable to the portions, it shall be for the prince: and the holy offering and the sanctuary of the house shall be in its midst. 22Moreover from the possession of the Levites, and from the possession of the city, being in the midst of that which is the prince's, between the border of Judah and the border of Benjamin, it shall be for the prince.

The Portion for Remaining Tribes

23As for the rest of the tribes: from the east side to the west side, Benjamin, one [portion]. 24By the border of Benjamin, from the east side to the west side, Simeon, one [portion]. 25By the border of Simeon, from the east side to the west side, Issachar, one [portion]. 26By the border of Issachar, from the east side to the west side, Zebulun, one [portion]. 27By the border of Zebulun, from the east side to the west side, Gad, one [portion]. 28By the border of Gad, at the south side southward, the border shall be even from Tamar to the waters of Meribath Kadesh, to the brook [of Egypt], to the great sea. 29This is the land which you shall divide by lot to the tribes of Israel for inheritance, and these are their several portions, says the Lord Yahweh.

The City Gates and Dimensions

30These are the exits of the city: On the north side four thousand and five hundred [reeds] by measure;
31and the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel, three gates northward: the gate of Reuben, one; the gate of Judah, one; the gate of Levi, one.
32At the east side four thousand and five hundred [reeds], and three gates: even the gate of Joseph, one; the gate of Benjamin, one; the gate of Dan, one.
33At the south side four thousand and five hundred [reeds] by measure, and three gates: the gate of Simeon, one; the gate of Issachar, one; the gate of Zebulun, one.
34At the west side four thousand and five hundred [reeds], with their three gates: the gate of Gad, one; the gate of Asher, one; the gate of Naphtali, one. 35It shall be eighteen thousand [reeds] around: and the name of the City from that day shall be, Yahweh is there.

 

[BABerean2]

I am speaking of all three:


1. The land in which they dwell and are destined to inherit under Christ.

2. They who are descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

3. They of the lineage of Abraham who have come to faith in Christ.


In the end, it will be a repentant Israel who will experience all the promises pertaining to them once all of the unbelief and ungodliness has been purged from them.

Could that be me?

.

 

[BABerean2]

Eventually, Israel will embrace their Messiah (Rom. 9:27, 11:26) and be in Him as we all are and in doing so, will receive all the blessings that God has sought to bestow upon them since their formation and establishment.

Can this happen without a person becoming a part of the New Covenant Church found in the passage below?


Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

.

 

[jgr]

Paul also knew that Christ did not come to cancel the law and the prophets but to fulfill them. (Mt. 5:17) If the singular seed (Gal. 3:16) does not fulfill all that which was spoken concerning the plural seed, (Ex. 32:13) which also includes permanent land possession (Ezek. 37:25, Am. 9:15) then the scriptures will not be fulfilled as He said they would be. (Mt. 5:17)

You've derailed yourself off the topic track.

Galatians 3 is exclusively about the blessing promise.

Galatians 3
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith,
preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

It has nothing to do with the land. "Land" does not appear in Galatians 3 (nor anywhere in Paul's epistles).

Dispensationalism attempts to claim that Israel, the plural "seeds", is included in the blessing promise.

But Paul is unequivocal that Israel, the plural "seeds", is excluded; and that only Christ, the singular "seed", and He alone, is included.

Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Paul confirms the singularity of the blessing promises in Genesis I cited previously.

And Paul was well aware of Exodus 32:13.

Try to stay on track.

 

[jgr]

I am speaking of all three:


1. The land in which they dwell and are destined to inherit under Christ.

2. They who are descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

3. They of the lineage of Abraham who have come to faith in Christ.


In the end, it will be a repentant Israel who will experience all the promises pertaining to them once all of the unbelief and ungodliness has been purged from them.

So now when God goes looking for qualifying Jews, He must consider not only their DNA, but also the land in which they dwell?

What if they should happen to be traveling outside of the land when He goes looking?

Don't talmudic converts qualify? That's not fair.

 

[jgr]

But it has to be divided up fair and square.....

Ezekiel 48:

The Portion for the Tribes

1Now these are the names of the tribes: From the north end, beside the way of Hethlon to the entrance of Hamath, Hazar Enan at the border of Damascus, northward beside Hamath, (and they shall have their sides east [and] west), Dan, one [portion]. 2By the border of Dan, from the east side to the west side, Asher, one [portion]. 3By the border of Asher, from the east side even to the west side, Naphtali, one [portion]. 4By the border of Naphtali, from the east side to the west side, Manasseh, one [portion]. 5By the border of Manasseh, from the east side to the west side, Ephraim, one [portion]. 6By the border of Ephraim, from the east side even to the west side, Reuben, one [portion]. 7By the border of Reuben, from the east side to the west side, Judah, one [portion].

8By the border of Judah, from the east side to the west side, shall be the offering which you shall offer, twenty-five thousand [reeds] in breadth, and in length as one of the portions, from the east side to the west side: and the sanctuary shall be in its midst. 9The offering that you shall offer to Yahweh shall be twenty-five thousand [reeds] in length, and ten thousand in breadth.

The Portion for the Priests

10For these, even for the priests, shall be the holy offering: toward the north twenty-five thousand [in length], and toward the west ten thousand in breadth, and toward the east ten thousand in breadth, and toward the south twenty-five thousand in length: and the sanctuary of Yahweh shall be in its midst.

The Portion for the Prince

21The residue shall be for the prince, on the one side and on the other of the holy offering and of the possession of the city; in front of the twenty-five thousand of the offering toward the east border, and westward in front of the twenty-five thousand toward the west border, answerable to the portions, it shall be for the prince: and the holy offering and the sanctuary of the house shall be in its midst. 22Moreover from the possession of the Levites, and from the possession of the city, being in the midst of that which is the prince's, between the border of Judah and the border of Benjamin, it shall be for the prince.

The Portion for Remaining Tribes

23As for the rest of the tribes: from the east side to the west side, Benjamin, one [portion]. 24By the border of Benjamin, from the east side to the west side, Simeon, one [portion]. 25By the border of Simeon, from the east side to the west side, Issachar, one [portion]. 26By the border of Issachar, from the east side to the west side, Zebulun, one [portion]. 27By the border of Zebulun, from the east side to the west side, Gad, one [portion]. 28By the border of Gad, at the south side southward, the border shall be even from Tamar to the waters of Meribath Kadesh, to the brook [of Egypt], to the great sea. 29This is the land which you shall divide by lot to the tribes of Israel for inheritance, and these are their several portions, says the Lord Yahweh.

The City Gates and Dimensions

30These are the exits of the city: On the north side four thousand and five hundred [reeds] by measure;
31and the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel, three gates northward: the gate of Reuben, one; the gate of Judah, one; the gate of Levi, one.
32At the east side four thousand and five hundred [reeds], and three gates: even the gate of Joseph, one; the gate of Benjamin, one; the gate of Dan, one.
33At the south side four thousand and five hundred [reeds] by measure, and three gates: the gate of Simeon, one; the gate of Issachar, one; the gate of Zebulun, one.
34At the west side four thousand and five hundred [reeds], with their three gates: the gate of Gad, one; the gate of Asher, one; the gate of Naphtali, one. 35It shall be eighteen thousand [reeds] around: and the name of the City from that day shall be, Yahweh is there.


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And everyone had better have their tribal documentation in order, or they're in big trouble.

What tribe does a talmudic convert these days belong to?

 

[Contenders Edge]

But it has to be divided up fair and square.....

Ezekiel 48:

The Portion for the Tribes

1Now these are the names of the tribes: From the north end, beside the way of Hethlon to the entrance of Hamath, Hazar Enan at the border of Damascus, northward beside Hamath, (and they shall have their sides east [and] west), Dan, one [portion]. 2By the border of Dan, from the east side to the west side, Asher, one [portion]. 3By the border of Asher, from the east side even to the west side, Naphtali, one [portion]. 4By the border of Naphtali, from the east side to the west side, Manasseh, one [portion]. 5By the border of Manasseh, from the east side to the west side, Ephraim, one [portion]. 6By the border of Ephraim, from the east side even to the west side, Reuben, one [portion]. 7By the border of Reuben, from the east side to the west side, Judah, one [portion].

8By the border of Judah, from the east side to the west side, shall be the offering which you shall offer, twenty-five thousand [reeds] in breadth, and in length as one of the portions, from the east side to the west side: and the sanctuary shall be in its midst. 9The offering that you shall offer to Yahweh shall be twenty-five thousand [reeds] in length, and ten thousand in breadth.

The Portion for the Priests

10For these, even for the priests, shall be the holy offering: toward the north twenty-five thousand [in length], and toward the west ten thousand in breadth, and toward the east ten thousand in breadth, and toward the south twenty-five thousand in length: and the sanctuary of Yahweh shall be in its midst.

The Portion for the Prince

21The residue shall be for the prince, on the one side and on the other of the holy offering and of the possession of the city; in front of the twenty-five thousand of the offering toward the east border, and westward in front of the twenty-five thousand toward the west border, answerable to the portions, it shall be for the prince: and the holy offering and the sanctuary of the house shall be in its midst. 22Moreover from the possession of the Levites, and from the possession of the city, being in the midst of that which is the prince's, between the border of Judah and the border of Benjamin, it shall be for the prince.

The Portion for Remaining Tribes

23As for the rest of the tribes: from the east side to the west side, Benjamin, one [portion]. 24By the border of Benjamin, from the east side to the west side, Simeon, one [portion]. 25By the border of Simeon, from the east side to the west side, Issachar, one [portion]. 26By the border of Issachar, from the east side to the west side, Zebulun, one [portion]. 27By the border of Zebulun, from the east side to the west side, Gad, one [portion]. 28By the border of Gad, at the south side southward, the border shall be even from Tamar to the waters of Meribath Kadesh, to the brook [of Egypt], to the great sea. 29This is the land which you shall divide by lot to the tribes of Israel for inheritance, and these are their several portions, says the Lord Yahweh.

The City Gates and Dimensions

30These are the exits of the city: On the north side four thousand and five hundred [reeds] by measure;
31and the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel, three gates northward: the gate of Reuben, one; the gate of Judah, one; the gate of Levi, one.
32At the east side four thousand and five hundred [reeds], and three gates: even the gate of Joseph, one; the gate of Benjamin, one; the gate of Dan, one.
33At the south side four thousand and five hundred [reeds] by measure, and three gates: the gate of Simeon, one; the gate of Issachar, one; the gate of Zebulun, one.
34At the west side four thousand and five hundred [reeds], with their three gates: the gate of Gad, one; the gate of Asher, one; the gate of Naphtali, one. 35It shall be eighteen thousand [reeds] around: and the name of the City from that day shall be, Yahweh is there.


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That each tribe will be assigned their respective portion is without dispute. Even premillenials do not deny this.

 

[Contenders Edge]

So now when God goes looking for qualifying Jews, He must consider not only their DNA, but also the land in which they dwell?

What if they should happen to be traveling outside of the land when He goes looking?

Don't talmudic converts qualify? That's not fair.

You must believe that God is incapable of regathering an entire people back to their own homeland and that He is being unfair because He is faithful in keeping promises to a people He made them to.

 

[Contenders Edge]

You've derailed yourself off the topic track.

Galatians 3 is exclusively about the blessing promise.

Galatians 3
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith,
preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

It has nothing to do with the land. "Land" does not appear in Galatians 3 (nor anywhere in Paul's epistles).

Dispensationalism attempts to claim that Israel, the plural "seeds", is included in the blessing promise.

But Paul is unequivocal that Israel, the plural "seeds", is excluded; and that only Christ, the singular "seed", and He alone, is included.

Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Paul confirms the singularity of the blessing promises in Genesis I cited previously.

And Paul was well aware of Exodus 32:13.

Try to stay on track.

If the blessing promise has nothing to do with land restoration, which this thread topic happens to be about, then why are you appealing to a passage of scripture that you do not believe is relevant to the topic of this thread?

 

[Contenders Edge]

Can this happen without a person becoming a part of the New Covenant Church found in the passage below?


Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

.

If the nation of Israel embraces Christ, would they not then be entering into the New Covenant?

 

[Contenders Edge]

Could that be me?

.

That depends on your basis and whether or not I decide to debate that basis, depending on what you cite as your basis, will depend on whether or not I believe it to be relevant to the topic of this thread. If I do not believe it is, then I will open to discussing and debating it on a thread designated accordingly.

 

[jgr]

You must believe that God is incapable of regathering an entire people back to their own homeland and that He is being unfair because He is faithful in keeping promises to a people He made them to.

Awaiting answers to the questions.

 

[jgr]

If the blessing promise has nothing to do with land restoration, which this thread topic happens to be about, then why are you appealing to a passage of scripture that you do not believe is relevant to the topic of this thread?

To demonstrate the error of any who believe that it is relevant.

 

[keras]

That each tribe will be assigned their respective portion is without dispute. Even premillenials do not deny this.

Right.
We know who represents Judah and Benjamin; the Jewish people.
The Church represents the other 10 tribes, proved by how Jesus came to save them, Matthew 15:24, His mission was successful and we Christians are the result. We will be assigned into the tribe the God know is our family heritage. John see every faithful Christian in the holy Land, soon after the Sixth Seal disaster has cleared and cleansed all the area. Revelation 7:9