LDS LDS Jesus Could Have Lost His Godhood

[Pedra]

Then the idea that there is a new Christian that doesn't even know the milk of the gospel yet, should not be exposed to the meat of the gospel is not so outrageous. I will say, our meat goes a little deeper than your meat, but the process is the same. I am not going to teach an advance course on the nature of Jesus Christ to a person that has just heard his name. Right?

Advanced course?? like that Mormon "meat" teaching that the Mormon Jesus is the spirit brother of satan?
Certainly if that would be shared off the bat , many would say --no thanks!

 

[Pedra]

I was at an ashram and heard teachings by a Guru , the process was the same, they don't reveal what the advance spiritual teachings say until they are very far along and entrenched as "members". Freemasonry does the same, people have to be 33 degree before they learn that Lucifer is the one they worship.

 

[Peter1000]

Christians are well aware of the milk and meat teaching & use it properly.
His point was that this is used as a deception when they recruit newbies.
It is a technique that Cults, gurus, freemasonry for eg hide the most questionable teachings from new converts so they don't chase away the newbies.

It is obviously a technique that Christians use also, but you just think you use it more properly than other groups.

According to Paul, you may not even have the meat to offer. (1 Corinthians 3:2). Paul was the main missionary recorded, and his letters were nothing more than admonishing his members to keep to their first love, which they had left behind, and admonishing them to keep the commandments for their reward in heaven, and trying to instruct them in the milk of the gospel, which they were having a hard time with, let alone give them more commitments, and a higher bar to reach for. He could not even give them the meat, for they were floundering in the milk.

So what meat to you think you teach properly to new Christians?

 

[Pedra]

It is obviously a technique that Christians use also, but you just think you use it more properly than other groups.

According to Paul, you may not even have the meat to offer. (1 Corinthians 3:2). Paul was the main missionary recorded, and his letters were nothing more than admonishing his members to keep to their first love, which they had left behind, and admonishing them to keep the commandments for their reward in heaven, and trying to instruct them in the milk of the gospel, which they were having a hard time with, let alone give them more commitments, and a higher bar to reach for. He could not even give them the meat, for they were floundering in the milk.

So what meat to you think you teach properly to new Christians?

The motivation & utilization is quite different obviously, as has been pointed out over and over.
All counterfeits copy God's teachings but their agenda is the opposite.
Btw, Mormonism shows it has no understanding of scripture, and no understanding of what Apostle Paul taught as per your summation of it. The interpretation is always based upon Joseph Smith.

 

[Peter1000]

You are serving Mormonism....

'He is the way' is serving Jesus Christ. You should agree with him, since you seem to be serving Jesus also.

 

[Pedra]

'He is the way' is serving Jesus Christ. You should agree with him, since you seem to be serving Jesus also.

Mormonism serves the false teachings of Joseph Smith , not the Biblical Jesus.

 

[Peter1000]

You neglect to divulge that you base your beliefs on Mormon doctrine not Christian. You are not coming from a biblical perspective. The understanding of Mormons on the scripture and Christian teachings is far apart.
This remains the issue. Mormonism is not CHristian but just "borrows" the kj bible.

You better be doing the same thing or you will be ruled in heaven instead of being ruled. Take your pick.

 

[Peter1000]

Mormonism serves the false teachings of Joseph Smith , not the Biblical Jesus.

'He is the way' only teaches what come from the bible and from the Jesus in the bible. You teach what Paul says, and what he says obviously trumps what Jesus says to you. Think about who you are following, Paul, or Jesus?

Jesus of the bible says, if you love me, keep my commandments, IOW do good works.

Paul says it is by grace that you are saved, not of good works lest ye boast.

Which one are you going to follow, Paul, or Jesus? Since Paul is by grace, not of works, you follow him, and by doing so disregard Jesus's admonition to keep his commandments. Jesus must be in a second position to Paul. Not Good.

 

[Pedra]

You better be doing the same thing or you will be ruled in heaven instead of being ruled. Take your pick.

No Mormon false teachings for me.
I have died with the Lord Jesus Christ & the bible says those who died with Him will also reign with Him.
2 Tim:12 "11 This is a trustworthy saying: If we died with Him, we will also live with Him; 12 if we endure, we will also reign with Him; if we deny Him, He will also deny us; 13 if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.…"

 

[Peter1000]

I guess if your goal is to become a god on your own planet, you must prove your worthy & righteous , rather then that it is only Christ who is.

Sorry, but that is what you teach too. You say we have to keep our thoughts and deeds and motives high like Jesus in order to reign in heaven. Are you doing good to become some kind of ruler for eternity, rather than only Jesus. Kind of interesting, you look forward to reigning or ruling people in your own little fiefdom for eternity, but you have a problem with me ruling my people.

But at least you are heading the right direction with the right motive. Better to rule and reign than to be ruled. Right?

 

[Peter1000]

As I keep saying, the meat you offer is veggie burger---and it's not the new and improved version either.

What is the meat that SDA offers?

 

[Pedra]

Sorry, but that is what you teach too. You say we have to keep our thoughts and deeds and motives high like Jesus in order to reign in heaven.

What do you mean? What "teaching" are you referring?

Are you doing good to become some kind of ruler for eternity, rather than only Jesus. Kind of interesting, you look forward to reigning or ruling people in your own little fiefdom for eternity, but you have a problem with me ruling my people.

No I'm not "doing good" to become some kind of ruler in heaven. Neither does the bible speak of a little "fiefdom" for Christians. Sorry but , you really have no clue what the scripture teaches.
The Holy Spirit must reveal the truth of the scriptures.

 

[mmksparbud]

What is the meat that SDA offers?

Milk -- pretty much the same for every denomination.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Joh_3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Meat:
We are saved by the grace of Jesus---out of love for the Lord we will keep His commandments. All 10, not just 9. Jesus is our High Priest now. God forgives our sins and forgets them. All doctrines are to come from the bible. We believe in the prophetic gift, but it must follow what the bible has already laid down. There is a hell for the lost, but it is not everlasting. We do not immeditely go to heaven or hell upon death, we sleep until the resurrection when God raises His own unto eternal life--His reward is with Him. Prophecies in the bible are deciphered using the bible. We believe our health is important to God in order to give Him our best and enjoy the gift of life while here. Tithes and offerings is God's plan for the spreading of the gospel.
We do not hold anything back----we give them steak from the beginning.

 

[Peter1000]

Btw, figured you would Not answer and risk exposing the truth of the Mormon belief that faith in Jesus dying on the cross was not enough for salvation according to mormon teachings.

It is not enough unless we access it.

If you do not believe in Jesus, then you would not even try to access his atonement, so for this person his sacrifice would not be enough.

If you say you believe in Jesus but do not have faith in him and you fall away, his atonement will not be enough unless you repent and come back to him, then you can access his atonement and be saved.

If you really believe in Jesus and do what he tells you to do, and you have faith and are engaged in building up his kingdom, then his atonement is enough and you will be saved.

You have to be careful when you read Paul, because if you do not understand what he is telling you, and his audience, you could get going down the wrong road and have problems. You must read all of Paul and take in account all that he says. You will be surprised at some of the things he says that sounds just like Jesus and just like JS.

 

[Peter1000]

Advanced course?? like that Mormon "meat" teaching that the Mormon Jesus is the spirit brother of satan?
Certainly if that would be shared off the bat , many would say --no thanks!

Actually, on my mission this was not such a profound stopping point. Of course some said what?
But then when you showed them the scriptures and you educated them that satan used to be lucifer, standing next to Jesus and God, and he was a righteous light that was one time very influential in the realms of heaven and much looked up to, he takes on a different hue. And many started to understand, yeah, I can see what you are saying, and it was no problem after that.
It is actually a teachable moment when their eyes are open and the suddenly understand all about the pre-earth life and about lucifer and his relationship with Jesus and God, and how he finally went to war (found in Revelations 12) and was defeated and then became a hated enemy of Jesus Christ, who threw him out of heaven to this earth, just before A&E stepped on to this new world.

It is an interesting study, you should ask me more.

To some it was impossible and they did not join the church, and I understood why not. Their traditions were too strong.

You did not answer me as to what meat does your church teach? Or you can say that we only teach the milk of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[mmksparbud]

Actually, on my mission this was not such a profound stopping point. Of course some said what?
But then when you showed them the scriptures and you educated them that satan used to be lucifer, standing next to Jesus and God, and he was a righteous light that was one time very influential in the realms of heaven and much looked up to, he takes on a different hue. And many started to understand, yeah, I can see what you are saying, and it was no problem after that.
It is actually a teachable moment when their eyes are open and the suddenly understand all about the pre-earth life and about lucifer and his relationship with Jesus and God, and how he finally went to war (found in Revelations 12) and was defeated and then became a hated enemy of Jesus Christ, who threw him out of heaven to this earth, just before A&E stepped on to this new world.

It is an interesting study, you should ask me more.

To some it was impossible and they did not join the church, and I understood why not. Their traditions were too strong.

You did not answer me as to what meat does your church teach? Or you can say that we only teach the milk of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Any Christian who knows His bible knows that Jesus was the creator of Satan and therefore certainly not His brother, Jesus is our brother only through His humanity. Satan has no genetic link to us whatsoever and is not our brother anymore than any other angel. All the saved, angels or human, are the children of God by virtue of being created by Him---we are adopted into His family and are thus brothers---but are not genetically so. It is your unmentioned believe that we are actually, physically the actual children of God by His relations with a heavenly mother---all a lie--you hide the truth of your believes from the unknowledgeable and feed them lies. It is not even milk you offer but soured milk.

 

[Peter1000]

I was at an ashram and heard teachings by a Guru , the process was the same, they don't reveal what the advance spiritual teachings say until they are very far along and entrenched as "members". Freemasonry does the same, people have to be 33 degree before they learn that Lucifer is the one they worship.

Christianity does the same thing. Do you think that a newbie learns that he must eat the flesh of Jesus and drink his blood in order to be a part of him? No, that comes later, when you have faith in Jesus.

Do you try to teach a newbie the intricate details of the Trinity in the first year of baptism? I mean the intricate details, not God is 3 persons in 1 God, a simpleton could grasp that. But teach how exactly they are one, and how are they homoousios? In fact the advanced course says this:
The Trinity is a mystery of God and cannot be understood by our finite brains.

So before you look down on other organizations for teaching milk before the meat, look at your own organization, whose bible teaches that there is milk before the meat of the gospel. You learn here a little and there a little until you are aware of all things in their fullest.

 

[Peter1000]

Milk -- pretty much the same for every denomination.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Joh_3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Meat:
We are saved by the grace of Jesus---out of love for the Lord we will keep His commandments. All 10, not just 9. Jesus is our High Priest now. God forgives our sins and forgets them. All doctrines are to come from the bible. We believe in the prophetic gift, but it must follow what the bible has already laid down. There is a hell for the lost, but it is not everlasting. We do not immeditely go to heaven or hell upon death, we sleep until the resurrection when God raises His own unto eternal life--His reward is with Him. Prophecies in the bible are deciphered using the bible. We believe our health is important to God in order to give Him our best and enjoy the gift of life while here. Tithes and offerings is God's plan for the spreading of the gospel.
We do not hold anything back----we give them steak from the beginning.

That is because your steak is still the milk of the gospel.

 

[Pedra]

So before you look down on other organizations for teaching milk before the meat,

Rude & lacking in spiritual knowledge and discernment as per Joseph Smith's religion.

 

[Pedra]

Christianity does the same thing. Do you think that a newbie learns that he must eat the flesh of Jesus and drink his blood in order to be a part of him? No, that comes later, when you have faith in Jesus.

Do you try to teach a newbie the intricate details of the Trinity in the first year of baptism? I mean the intricate details, not God is 3 persons in 1 God, a simpleton could grasp that. But teach how exactly they are one, and how are they homoousios? In fact the advanced course says this:
The Trinity is a mystery of God and cannot be understood by our finite brains.

So before you look down on other organizations for teaching milk before the meat, look at your own organization, whose bible teaches that there is milk before the meat of the gospel. You learn here a little and there a little until you are aware of all things in their fullest.

Everyone at our church gets the same teaching , it is not changed to suit anyone new to Christianity.
No information is hidden from anyone.