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[Pedra]

27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Rewards teaching is different then the doctrine of Salvation. As Apostle Paul states it is by Faith we are saved not by works--> Romans 5:1 "1 Therefore, since WE HAVE BEEN justified through FAITH, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
The rewards we receive is at the Bema Seat judgment , not the white throne judgment. After the rapture, the true believers of the church age will receive their individual rewards by Christ at the Bema seat Judgment.
Your Final Exam: The Bema Seat | Olive Tree Ministries

 

[Peter1000]

The ex-Mormons I've spoken to and listened to often express some feelings of betrayal at having been "lied to" by the Mormon religion due to the "milk before meat" philosophy of that organization, which leads them to discover what they're really supposed to believe in only after they've already been sucked into the religion and its social structures. And if that's how they're treated as members, never-Mormons should be a lot more skeptical of Mormon claims about their own beliefs insofar as they attempt to relate them to others'.

The "milk before the meat" concept is a biblical concept. In fact Paul talks about having the milk before the meat several times in his epistles to the saints. The interesting one is that the Corinthians would not move beyond the milk. And Paul tells them so. (1 Corinthians 3:2)

Why do you think they were not willing to receive the meat?

What do you think the meat entailed that the Corinthians rejected?

 

[Peter1000]

Rewards teaching is different then the doctrine of Salvation. As Apostle Paul states it is by Faith we are saved not by works--> Romans 5:1 "1 Therefore, since WE HAVE BEEN justified through FAITH, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
The rewards we receive is at the Bema Seat judgment , not the white throne judgment. After the rapture, the true believers of the church age will receive their individual rewards by Christ at the Bema seat Judgment.
Your Final Exam: The Bema Seat | Olive Tree Ministries

What rewards are given at the Bema seat Judgment?

 

[Pedra]

What rewards are given at the Bema seat Judgment?

Click and listen to the link I gave .
Your Final Exam: The Bema Seat | Olive Tree Ministries

 

[dzheremi]

The "milk before the meat" concept is a biblical concept. In fact Paul talks about having the milk before the meat several times in his epistles to the saints. The interesting one is that the Corinthians would not move beyond the milk. And Paul tells them so. (1 Corinthians 3:2)

Why do you think they were not willing to receive the meat?

What do you think the meat entailed that the Corinthians rejected?

Of course it is a Biblical concept. I did not claim otherwise. The problem is unfortunately with the Mormon understanding of it. We have been through this in the past in great detail, so I will not entertain any further discussion of it. Look up the old threads, if you wish.

 

[Pedra]

The "milk before the meat" concept is a biblical concept. In fact Paul talks about having the milk before the meat several times in his epistles to the saints. The interesting one is that the Corinthians would not move beyond the milk. And Paul tells them so. (1 Corinthians 3:2)

Why do you think they were not willing to receive the meat?

What do you think the meat entailed that the Corinthians rejected?

Christians are well aware of the milk and meat teaching & use it properly.
His point was that this is used as a deception when they recruit newbies.
It is a technique that Cults, gurus, freemasonry for eg hide the most questionable teachings from new converts so they don't chase away the newbies.

 

[He is the way]

No, you like doing exactly what I called you on and it's self-serving as per.

No it is not self serving, I am warning people to repent and thereafter keep the commandments as Jesus Christ instructed us to do in the Bible:
(New Testament | 1 John 5:1 - 21)

1 WHOSOEVER believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

(New Testament | 1 John 3:21 - 24)

21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

 

[He is the way]

The devil constantly works trying to recruit others to fall away from the true Gospel & posing as an angel of light as Apostle Paul warned.

Those who warn people to believe in Jesus Christ and keep the commandments of LOVE are true disciples of Jesus Christ.

 

[Pedra]

No it is not self serving, I am warning people to repent and thereafter keep the commandments as Jesus Christ instructed us to do in the Bible:

You are serving Mormonism....

 

[Pedra]

Those who warn people to believe in Jesus Christ and keep the commandments of LOVE are true disciples of Jesus Christ.

You neglect to divulge that you base your beliefs on Mormon doctrine not Christian. You are not coming from a biblical perspective. The understanding of Mormons on the scripture and Christian teachings is far apart.
This remains the issue. Mormonism is not CHristian but just "borrows" the kj bible.

 

[He is the way]

You neglect to divulge that you base your beliefs on Mormon doctrine not Christian. You are not coming from a biblical perspective. The understanding how Mormons view the scripture and how Christians do is far apart.

Some people rely solely on the doctrine of the atonement while ignoring the doctrine of keeping the commandments. This is not wise.

 

[Pedra]

Some people rely solely on the doctrine of the atonement while ignoring the doctrine of keeping the commandments. This is not wise.

I guess if your goal is to become a god on your own planet, you must prove your worthy & righteous , rather then that it is only Christ who is.

 

[mmksparbud]

The "milk before the meat" concept is a biblical concept. In fact Paul talks about having the milk before the meat several times in his epistles to the saints. The interesting one is that the Corinthians would not move beyond the milk. And Paul tells them so. (1 Corinthians 3:2)

Why do you think they were not willing to receive the meat?

What do you think the meat entailed that the Corinthians rejected?

As I keep saying, the meat you offer is veggie burger---and it's not the new and improved version either.

 

[He is the way]

I guess if your goal is to become a god on your own planet, you must prove your worthy & righteous , rather then that it is only Christ who is.

Can anyone ignore Christ's doctrine on keeping the commandments and still expect to have eternal life?:

(New Testament | Matthew 19:16 - 17)

16 ¶ And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

(New Testament | Luke 10:25 - 28)

25 ¶ And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

 

[Pedra]

Can anyone ignore Christ's doctrine on keeping the commandments and still expect to have eternal life?:

(New Testament | Matthew 19:16 - 17)

16 ¶ And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

(New Testament | Luke 10:25 - 28)

25 ¶ And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Do you believe the shedding of Jesus blood & His death on the cross for our sins was enough to pay the Full sin debt? yes or no?
Just as noted here has been the repeated over stressing of certain verses while ignoring the essential Christian doctrine of the gospel of salvation.
Mormonism claims people must save themselves by their own "works" not by faith in Jesus alone .

 

[He is the way]

Do you believe the shedding of Jesus blood & His death on the cross for our sins was enough to pay the Full sin debt? yes or no?
Just as noted here has been the repeated over stressing of certain verses while ignoring the essential Christian doctrine of the gospel of salvation.
Mormonism claims people must save themselves by their own "works" not by faith in Jesus alone .

There is a sin unto death:

(New Testament | Romans 6:16)

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

(New Testament | 1 John 5:16 - 17)

16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

(New Testament | Matthew 12:31 - 32)

31 ¶ Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

(New Testament | 2 Peter 2:18 - 22)

18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

(New Testament | Hebrews 10:26)

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

 

[Pedra]

There is a sin unto death:

(New Testament | Romans 6:16)

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

(New Testament | 1 John 5:16 - 17)

16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

(New Testament | Matthew 12:31 - 32)

31 ¶ Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

(New Testament | 2 Peter 2:18 - 22)

18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

(New Testament | Hebrews 10:26)

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Btw, figured you would Not answer and risk exposing the truth of the Mormon belief that faith in Jesus dying on the cross was not enough for salvation according to mormon teachings.

 

[Peter1000]

Click and listen to the link I gave .
Your Final Exam: The Bema Seat | Olive Tree Ministries

Since I am not going to buy the book, I will surmise what it says.

I tried to find the Bema Seat of Justice in the bible and could not find it.

After a person is saved in the KOG, there are going to be rewards given that will determine our status in heaven for eternity. Who and where we rule, etc.
So it is important to keep our thoughts, deeds, and motives high and like Jesus, so our reward is
greater rather than lesser.

Which brings up an interesting dilemma.
Did the rulers in heaven do better at keeping the commandments on earth than the ruled?
If you are a ruler, who will you reign over, and where will you reign?

I thought all people that went to heaven receive the same treatment. According to this there are some that will reign and some that will be ruled. Doesn't sound equal to me.

 

[Peter1000]

Of course it is a Biblical concept. I did not claim otherwise. The problem is unfortunately with the Mormon understanding of it. We have been through this in the past in great detail, so I will not entertain any further discussion of it. Look up the old threads, if you wish.

Then the idea that there is a new Christian that doesn't even know the milk of the gospel yet, should not be exposed to the meat of the gospel is not so outrageous. I will say, our meat goes a little deeper than your meat, but the process is the same. I am not going to teach an advance course on the nature of Jesus Christ to a person that has just heard his name. Right?

 

[Pedra]

Since I am not going to buy the book, I will surmise what it says.

I tried to find the Bema Seat of Justice in the bible and could not find it.

After a person is saved in the KOG, there are going to be rewards given that will determine our status in heaven for eternity. Who and where we rule, etc.
So it is important to keep our thoughts, deeds, and motives high and like Jesus, so our reward is
greater rather than lesser.

Which brings up an interesting dilemma.
Did the rulers in heaven do better at keeping the commandments on earth than the ruled?
If you are a ruler, who will you reign over, and where will you reign?

I thought all people that went to heaven receive the same treatment. According to this there are some that will reign and some that will be ruled. Doesn't sound equal to me.

Listen to the link and learn some actual Biblical teaching on the rewards for Christians or choose to remain ignorant.