Episcopal and Anglican, are protestant?

[lambofgod43985889]

Does not say God hates images and you did not quote the whole context. Let's quote the whole thing:

You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me

You see you neglected to add verse 5 which no one is bow down and worshiping images like icons.

the verse 5 doesn't annul the verse 4, it just adds more

 

[lambofgod43985889]

I answered that now what about the rest of my questions

what are the rest of your questions?

 

[Albion]

you need to read the gospel of john chapter 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

This is all WAY off-topic.

 

[Albion]

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[prodromos]

you need to read the gospel of john chapter 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

I don't know why you think this is relevant. I am not one of those people who argue that God did not truly become man, but there were a number of heresies claiming such which had to be dealt with.

 

[charsan]

the verse 5 doesn't annul the verse 4, it just adds more

The Bible and verses does not exist in a vacuum and can not be looked at out of context which yo have been doing. Verse 4 and 5 go together and gives the context to the whole dialogue and nowhere does it say God hates images.

 

[charsan]

what are the rest of your questions?

Post 176 here Episcopal and Anglican, are protestant?

 

[Athanasius377]

How about have a discussion on images in a relevant and separate thread?

 

[charsan]

How about have a discussion on images in a relevant and separate thread?

Well it is a part because the OP decided that images are bad the way Anglicans and Lutherans use them, I agree it could be part of a separate thread

 

[Albion]

Well it is a part because the OP decided that images are bad the way Anglicans and Lutherans use them, I agree it could be part of a separate thread

The thread's title and the OP only asked if Anglicans are Protestants!

 

[D.A. Wright]

Protestantism is practically dead. Ecumenism is the order of the day. "Let's be one," they say. The deadly wound has been truly healed.

 

[lambofgod43985889]

How about have a discussion on images in a relevant and separate thread?

relevant because if anglicans and episcopalians use images in their churches, that would make them more catholic than protestant

 

[lambofgod43985889]

The Bible and verses does not exist in a vacuum and can not be looked at out of context which yo have been doing. Verse 4 and 5 go together and gives the context to the whole dialogue and nowhere does it say God hates images.

you don't need any context to verse 4, it's a command, then comes the second part (verse 5) that adds do not worship them.
then 2 commands, don't use images and much less adore them.

then if anglicans and episcopalians use images of jesus crucified and others, wouldn't that be a catholic feature? question

 

[Paidiske]

then if anglicans and episcopalians use images of jesus crucified and others, wouldn't that be a catholic feature? question

Well, I guess it's something we have in common with Catholicism. (Although I am mischievously tempted to repeat the quip of a friend of mine, that Anglicans are often in danger of the heresy of "salvation by good taste." )

But is images/no images the litmus test of (big C) Catholicism? I'm not sure that on its own, that's an adequate answer. Not when so many Protestants of all sorts embrace the use of images in worship, and indeed are in many cases doing so more than they have historically, as they realise the limitations of purely verbal/written proclamation of the good news.

 

[lambofgod43985889]

Well, I guess it's something we have in common with Catholicism. (Although I am mischievously tempted to repeat the quip of a friend of mine, that Anglicans are often in danger of the heresy of "salvation by good taste." )

But is images/no images the litmus test of (big C) Catholicism? I'm not sure that on its own, that's an adequate answer. Not when so many Protestants of all sorts embrace the use of images in worship, and indeed are in many cases doing so more than they have historically, as they realise the limitations of purely verbal/written proclamation of the good news.

don't anglican church rejects catholic church, or accepts catholic church?

 

[Paidiske]

don't anglican church rejects catholic church, or accepts catholic church?

That's not a simple question. We accept and respect them as fellow-Christians, but that doesn't mean we agree with them about everything, or are willing to conform to their teachings on every point.

These days I often feel more that it's the Catholic Church which rejects us, rather than the other way around.

 

[Albion]

relevant because if anglicans and episcopalians use images in their churches, that would make them more catholic than protestant

Obviously not, since the oldest and largest of the Protestant denominations use them in church. It might make Anglicans be unlike Fundamentalists, but not unlike "Protestants."

 

[D.A. Wright]

relevant because if anglicans and episcopalians use images in their churches, that would make them more catholic than protestant

You could say the same thing about dozens upon dozens of other denominations and their doctrines.

 

[D.A. Wright]

These days I often feel more that it's the Catholic Church which rejects us, rather than the other way around.

Could that be because the advent of ecumenism has the tide turning? The Catholic Church Hierarchy has not changed in her goals and aims. We now have a sitting Jesuit Pope. 100 years ago that would have set off an alarm of tremendous magnitude. Today we say "He's a decent guy. He rides a bicycle and takes the bus."

I have no doubt that Pope Francis is a loving, caring, very likely even righteous man with a sincere devotion to the true God. But he sits on the throne of a religio-political power that is set to exert her presumed ecclesiastical authority over the entire world. For the time being, the bulwarks of technology and military might keep her in check. But the disaster (financial, natural, political, etc.) is coming. We all know it. Were it not for the demands placed upon our efforts and time by modern life, we would be driven to distraction by the inevitability of it.

And when it comes, the world will look for a leader to oversee the efforts to minimize the effects of the damage, prevent more of it, and give comfort and counsel. That leader will not be the President of the United States. It will not be Jesus Christ. But it will be one who is prepared to assume the authority of Christ on earth. The irreligious will become believers. The social reforms that pervade western civilization will become a byword. These things will happen virtually overnight. And we will then see if the liberal Catholic reforms that began in the mid-20th century will hold firm.

In the middle ages, freedom of conscience took a decided backseat to the established way of life, security, and personal safety. The final age will be no different. Human nature has not changed.

While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. (1 Thessalonians 5:3)

 

[charsan]

you don't need any context to verse 4, it's a command, then comes the second part (verse 5) that adds do not worship them.
then 2 commands, don't use images and much less adore them.

You have been given some good comments already. No verse 5 needs to be there and the 10 commandments were for the Jews coming out of Egypt not us. Now it is good to try follow them but not a slave to them. As Christ said:

“Teacher,” he asked, “which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the greatest and the most important commandment. The second most important commandment is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as you love yourself.’ The whole Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets depend on these two commandments.”

then if Anglicans and Episcopalians use images of Jesus crucified and others, wouldn't that be a catholic feature? question

Not at all. The Orthodox use icons and images as well as others, it's just misplace evangelicals that try to fight how images are bad