Episcopal and Anglican, are protestant?

[prodromos]

he dislikes images of him, it leads people to pray and adore an image

Well no, God set the perfect example through the incarnation, where the created and the uncreated were united in One.

He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation;
Colossians 1:15​

 

[David Goforth]

want to know

Are Anglican/Episcopal denominations under the Bishop of Rome? No
Are Anglican/Episcopal denominations a part of an eastern Orthodox Church? No.

Is a form of Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide in official doctrinal theology (even if a particular parish priest or bishop went elsewhere), Yes. See Article 6 and Article 11 of the 39 Articles.

Therefore it's technically protestant. I might refer to myself and catholic and reformed, but I know that Anglicanism is in the protestant camp. I don't fool myself.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

I would say that we are a church profoundly shaped by the Protestant reformation, but not necessarily adequately defined by it.

I have never heard it stated so well!

 

[David Goforth]

I have never heard it stated so well!

Yes that is a good definition. I submit that prior to 1830, Anglicanism was unquestionably Protestant and really took as long as several decades before that word became taboo. One example is that Queen Elizabeth or Victoria (will look up my source if challenged; it's in a book at my home called the "Protestant Face of Anglicanism"), or the Head of the Church (as the monarch is) supported the Church of Scotland over the Episcopal Church of Scotland because the Church of Scotland was clearly protestant while the Episcopal Church may not have been (at that time). She thought it was ridiculous to not support that Church just because they didn't have bishops.

 

[Paidiske]

Small point: the monarch is not the Head of the church. The monarch is supreme governor of the church, but it has only one head, that is, Christ.

 

[concretecamper]

but it has only one head, that is, Christ

So Christ told the Anglican Church that abortion is ok and homosexual acts are just fine? Ok then......

 

[Paidiske]

So Christ told the Anglican Church that abortion is ok

That is not an Anglican position.

and homosexual acts are just fine?

And this is disputed.

That is not the point. The point is that our ultimate authority is not in any mere human.

 

[concretecamper]

That is not an Anglican position.

yes it is

And this is disputed

Christ isnt wishy washy

That is not the point.

I know.

The point is that our ultimate authority is not in any mere human

seems like you dont know who the authority is. Christ does not condone abortion, condemns homosexual acts, yet the Anglican Church accepts both. So your claim that Christ is the Head is false.

 

[Paidiske]

You are misrepresenting Anglicanism. We have no head but Christ.

 

[concretecamper]

You are misrepresenting Anglicanism. We have no head but Christ.

then show me where Christ condones homosexual acts. I can show where leaders of the anglican church do. Seems like Christ isnt in charge to me.

 

[Paidiske]

then show me where Christ condones homosexual acts. I can show where leaders of the anglican church do. Seems like Christ isnt in charge to me.

You know as well as I do that this is a disputed matter within Anglicanism. That some leaders condone such acts does not make that an official Anglican position, and indeed it is not.

I know Who my boss is.

 

[concretecamper]

You know as well as I do that this is a disputed matter within Anglicanism

So The Holy Spirit tell different things to different people? So the Holy Spirit isnt clear in the Bible? Your responses show you follow men, despite what you claim.

 

[Albion]

then show me where Christ condones homosexual acts. I can show where leaders of the anglican church do. Seems like Christ isnt in charge to me.

I can show where Roman Catholic leaders do also.

Are you therefore willing to say that this defines your church in the way you are attempting to define Anglicanism?

 

[Albion]

So The Holy Spirit tell different things to different people? So the Holy Spirit isnt clear in the Bible? Your responses show you follow men, despite what you claim.

Maybe it just shows that the Catholic Church has gotten some of those "things" wrong and someone else got them right.

 

[concretecamper]

Maybe it just shows that the Catholic Church has gotten some of those "things" wrong and someone else got them right.

if you could coherently express the Anglican teaching, we can all assess this claim.

 

[concretecamper]

I can show where Roman Catholic leaders do also

So, I can show where Catholic leaders have done much worse than dissent from the Church's teaching.

Are you therefore willing to say that this defines your church in the way you are attempting to define Anglicanism

Members have never defined what the Church teaches. She is crystal clear for all to see. Steadfastness in teaching is something foreign to the Anglican Church I know, but that doesnt mean everyone else is that fickle too.

 

[Albion]

Steadfastness in teaching is something foreign to the Anglican Church I know, but that doesnt mean everyone else is that fickle too.

I think the difference is that Anglicans do not run from or try to deny the changes that have occurred over time, whether they approve of them or lament the fact.

On the other hand, Roman Catholics feel a need to deny the hundreds of official changes in doctrine that have occurred in their own church.

It may be that this, which is especially true of recent converts, comes from them having been taught that every other church has as its first order of business the defaming of the RCC.

 

[concretecamper]

the hundreds of official changes in doctrine that have occurred in their church

a lie that you fan attempt to prove. So sad you resort to such tactics. We will all wait and see if you have the guts to try and prove it.

I think the difference is that Anglicans do not run from or try to deny the changes

God is immutable, therefore anglicans DO NOT follow Christ as our female minister claimed. Thanks for helping me highlight that point.

 

[Albion]

a lie that you fan attempt to prove. So sad you resort to such tactics. We will all wait and see if you have the guts to try and prove it.

Hmm. Sounds like you are a fairly recent convert yourself.

 

[concretecamper]

Hmm. Sounds like you are a fairly recent convert yourself.

we are all waiting......I bet you cant substantiate your claim. Come on, dont let your fellow protesters down