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That isn't our Jesus! It's a shocking statement made on Christian Forums.
Yes, that is no surprise, that LDS idea bridges the gap between man and god allowing Mormon folks to embrace the idea that they could be a god someday. It brings Jesus down to a human level of having the possibility of making mistakes.
Um, Jesus was fully human, and capable of sinning (though he didn't). Otherwise, what you teach is the Roman Catholic doctrine of impeccability.It brings Jesus down to a human level of having the possibility of making mistakes.
Um, Jesus was fully human, and capable of sinning (though he didn't). Otherwise, what you teach is the Roman Catholic doctrine of impeccability.
I would imagine that they would quote the passages where Jesus was tempted by Satan. Seeing that as a possibility of god failure. Not understanding that Jesus was perfect from the beginning.
So what prompts this idea as an LDS? Can God lose his divinity in Mormonism? I mean, it doesn't seem logically impossible but is this a Mormon idea?
Seems to me Mormons cannot be sure about the status of Christ's divinity because they are unsure as to whether or not he was married and one's status depends on that.
I used to be, until God showed me in scripture the truth as it is in Jesus Christ.I'm Catholic.
The entire article is "Catholic", including the so-called protestant section, for Original Sin is Roman Catholic and unscriptural also.Impeccability appears to be a Christian teaching also: Impeccability - Wikipedia
(New Testament | John 16:33)I'm Catholic. Let's face it, Jesus was created by the Holy Spirit of God, he is God, Jesus walked on water, calmed the seas, multiplied food, raised the dead, healed people cursed from birth, and finally resurrected himself after dying on the cross. He visited spirit prison and taught the lost souls. Fully human? Or always a God. Not to mention he never sinned! John 10:18 What human can do that?
Impeccability appears to be a Christian teaching also: Impeccability - Wikipedia
I used to be, until God showed me in scripture the truth as it is in Jesus Christ.
No man can understand the gospel if they think Jesus had not possibility of sinning and came in unfallen flesh (of which John the apostle wrote against in his epistles).
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
Angels of God have unfallen flesh nature. Hebrews 2:16 is clear, as is the entire genealogical line.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
(New Testament | John 16:33)
33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
(New Testament | Luke 13:31 - 35)
31 ¶ The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.
32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Yes all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, however it is important that Christ's glory had to be restored:Yes God can be tempted, Deuteronomy 6:16 "Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah."
What does that prove, that Jesus was tested the same as man? Jesus was always God and was from the beginning, even before his birth on the earth.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
And if you believe Jesus was always God then this scripture applies: James 1:13 "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man"
This says that Jesus can be tempted and also cannot fall into temptation of evil.
So you believe Jesus or God himself wasn't perfect? I'll contemplate that idea. But honestly I think you need a different interpretation of what that scripture is saying. No one could kill Jesus and He had power to lay down his life and take it up again: John 10:18 "No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."
You couldn't even kill Jesus honestly is what he said. So how do you think Satan had power to kill him spiritually and cause him to sin? I think we have to take away from these scriptures that Jesus could only fall if he chose to fall. The concept of Jesus being tempted as man is tempted is not scriptural based in my opinion.
Does the bible say Jesus was capable of failing or falling? You did quote that he overcame the world. Bodies overcome infections all the time, that doesn't mean the infection could kill the body. Especially when examining the verse where Jesus himself said no one could kill him and that he resurrected himself.
All man sins, but not God Jesus: Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God". So then what is the glory of God, that he could have fell as man does but didn't and thus thinking of God as a human? Or is his glory beyond that concept? Is his glory that of a God who wouldn't fall because God gave him power not to fall? Something he didn't give to mankind? Similar to the power to lay down his life and take it up again, thus resurrecting himself? Keeping in mind that God doesn't give that power to mankind. God gave him power to overcome and be the Christ also? Something he didn't give to man as well?
Jesus was predestined to be the Christ, and was clearly given powers to fulfill that mission, like laying down his life and resurrecting himself for the sacrifice, he was created by God with the Holy Spirit in the virgin Mary? 1 Peter 1:19 "...a lamb without blemish or defect."
Yes all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, however it is important that Christ's glory had to be restored:
(New Testament | John 17:5)
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Jesus wants us to overcome sin:
(New Testament | 1 John 5:3)
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Yes all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, however it is important that Christ's glory had to be restored:
(New Testament | John 17:5)
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
While Jesus had the power to lay His body down and take it up again, He needed the Father to restore His glory. Jesus also said that the Father is His God:
(New Testament | John 20:17)
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Then who is the 2 other Persons beside him, even you believe in 3 Person in 1 God. Those Persons are supposed to be distinct from each other. So just how are they distinct?Deuteronomy 4:35
Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.