ICR Acts and Facts

[46AND2]

Well that would be horse manure in a pile!

We expect to find C-14 in things evolutionist shave dated out to tens of millions and hundreds of millions of years! and Voila we do!

over 41 dino samples in situ were dated and shown to be between 21k-50k+ years.

Diamonds that are over 200 million years old should have no C-14 in them but they do IN them!

From Live science:

Radiocarbon dating involves determining the age of an ancient fossil or specimen by measuring its carbon-14 content. Carbon-14, or radiocarbon, is a naturally occurring radioactive isotope that forms when cosmic rays in the upper atmosphere strike nitrogen molecules, which then oxidize to become carbon dioxide. Green plants absorb the carbon dioxide, so the population of carbon-14 molecules is continually replenished until the plant dies. Carbon-14 is also passed onto the animals that eat those plants. After death the amount of carbon-14 in the organic specimen decreases very regularly as the molecules decay. Carbon-14 has a half-life of 5,730 ± 40 years, meaning that every 5,700 years or so the object loses half its carbon-14.

Samples from the past 70,000 years made of wood, charcoal, peat, bone, antler or one of many other carbonates may be dated using this technique.

So when a thing dies it no longer takes in but emits C-14 at a regular rate

Please pay attention. If you speed up decay rates, it becomes its daughter product more quickly. Pretty basic, right?

In order for you to account for the massive amounts of accumulated daughter product we observe, you need the decay rates to have increased by many orders of magnitude (even the RATE team acknowledges this, btw).

For example, the way that we measure the age of a fossil goes like this:

1. Top layer of igneous rock above dinosaur fossil has an accumulation of, say, 70 million years worth of daughter byproduct.

2. Middle layer of sedimentary rock with dinosaur fossil

3. Bottom layer of igneous rock below dinosaur fossil has an accumulation of 75 million years worth.

4.So we know that the dinosaur should be between 70 and 75 million years old.

In order to account for all that byproduct above and below the fossil, creationists need the decay constant to have increased by more than 1000 orders of magnitude.

If you increase the decay constant by just FIVE orders of magnitude, carbon's half life would be 0.05730 years, or about 3 WEEKS. You would have no measurable C-14 left in less than a year.

So yes, if you want to claim that decay rates were accelerated, then creationists SHOULD expect zero radiocarbon in dinosaur bones.

 

[46AND2]

So when a thing dies it no longer takes in but emits C-14 at a regular rate

No. You really don't understand how radioactive decay works.

 

[46AND2]

You are entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts. Your anti YEC scientist bias is glaring.

You didn't provide any facts.

Many times.

So you are also saying labs suck at prepping machines and all dates gathered are off by a factor of X.

Nope. Not saying that at all.

 

[tas8831]

That is not what the reports I read said. YEC geologists know the difference between new lava and xenoliths.

Do they?

Steve Austin didn't think we would know who Stuart Nevins was...

 

[pitabread]

And the YEC research is not trying to prove the existence of god- but that the events in the bible have a real basis on planet earth.

When YECs resort to "insert miracle here" to account for the fact that their ideas do not conform with reality, they are no longer doing science. Period.

This is the elephant in the room you don't appear to want to acknowledge.

 

[Speedwell]

So then YEC sites are acceptable- they all require their members to use the scientific method in their research.

Except when the results of that research conflict with a literal reading of Genesis,

 

[Ophiolite]

So when a thing dies it no longer takes in but emits C-14 at a regular rate

Wow! Just, wow!! (Ideally in 44 point Rockwell Nova Extra Bold.)
My advice to you is to stop posting, take about a year studying the relevant material, then sign in under a new user name. You just removed any lingering suspicion that you had some inkling of what you were talking about. Wow! Incredible, or as the French say, incredible.

Aside: I like the fact that after seven decades I can still be surprised.

 

[pitabread]

No. You really don't understand how radioactive decay works.

I wonder if this is a more glaring error than his previous conflation of RNA and DNA.

 

[nolidad]

Wow! Just, wow!! (Ideally in 44 point Rockwell Nova Extra Bold.)
My advice to you is to stop posting, take about a year studying the relevant material, then sign in under a new user name. You just removed any lingering suspicion that you had some inkling of what you were talking about. Wow! Incredible, or as the French say, incredible.

Well I admit the post looks bad due to my trying to shorten it.

Plants take in C-14 , combined with oxygen and forms C02 which we take in when we eat plants and animals that graze on plants. When we die- we know longer take in carbon in any form and emit it.

Better now? Or should I just cut and paste a whole article on C-14

 

[nolidad]

Except when the results of that research conflict with a literal reading of Genesis,

Well as there is no empirical results that have yet to disprove a literal reading of Genesis, why should they change???

 

[nolidad]

When YECs resort to "insert miracle here" to account for the fact that their ideas do not conform with reality, they are no longer doing science. Period.

This is the elephant in the room you don't appear to want to acknowledge.

Well miracles happen all the time! Being the atheist you are- you cannot accept a non natural answer to supernatural happenings!

So instead you accept that a sub atomic size piece of matter existed for all eternity past- defied the laws of thermodynamics and had enough hyper energy to explode and create everything we see.

That life came from non life ( To say God did it is to insert miracle here), or to say that life came from somewhere else is just kicking the can to a different location with the same problem.

God says man is unique in all life- you say we are just a higher form of random mistakes accumulating to form us without real proof.

YEC scientists are honest enough to admit miracles- atheists cannot and come up with their own brand of miracles.

 

[46AND2]

Well I admit the post looks bad due to my trying to shorten it.

Plants take in C-14 , combined with oxygen and forms C02 which we take in when we eat plants and animals that graze on plants. When we die- we know longer take in carbon in any form and emit it.

Better now? Or should I just cut and paste a whole article on C-14

No. Not better. You should stop while you're way behind.

 

[nolidad]

No. Not better. You should stop while you're way behind.

Well take it up with these evolutionary sites:

How Carbon-14 Dating Works

Carbon-14 dating | scientific technology

https://www.nde-ed.org/EducationResources/HighSchool/Radiography/carbon14dating.htm

Radioactivity : Carbon-14

https://www.environmentalscience.org/how-radiocarbon-14-dating-works


Maybe it is a massive conspiracy by these evolution believing sites to keep non scientists form learning the truth? NAH!

 

[nolidad]

If you increase the decay constant by just FIVE orders of magnitude, carbon's half life would be 0.05730 years, or about 3 WEEKS. You would have no measurable C-14 left in less than a year.

So yes, if you want to claim that decay rates were accelerated, then creationists SHOULD expect zero radiocarbon in dinosaur bones.

Boy and your side calls me stupid!

C-14 can only be dated out to a max of 100,000 years! as the theory goes. It seems pretty basic so I don't have a problem with that!

So if you date say the horn of a triceratops, it should show 0 C-14 After all he lived tens of millions of years ago, so there should be no measurable c-14. So when they date the 41 dino bones pulled from in situ and taken to the labs for dating- they all should read 0 but they don'ty! They all date between 23-45K years!

 

[nolidad]

I wonder if this is a more glaring error than his previous conflation of RNA and DNA.

I am glad I am not one of yor kids!

Make a typo and you hold it against someone forever. talk about petty and shallow.

 

[nolidad]

Do they?

Steve Austin didn't think we would know who Stuart Nevins was...

Wow you guys are really conspiracy minded aren't you.


I don't think Austin gave a thought as to whether or not you know him. and what great faux -pas is Nevins responsible for????

 

[46AND2]

Well take it up with these evolutionary sites:

How Carbon-14 Dating Works

Carbon-14 dating | scientific technology

https://www.nde-ed.org/EducationResources/HighSchool/Radiography/carbon14dating.htm

Radioactivity : Carbon-14

https://www.environmentalscience.org/how-radiocarbon-14-dating-works


Maybe it is a massive conspiracy by these evolution believing sites to keep non scientists form learning the truth? NAH!

Not the sites man. It's your misunderstanding of what they are saying.

You've made an error you don't recognize that is so monumental, it's clearly a waste of time to proceed, because my argument has clearly flown over your head.

 

[nolidad]

You didn't provide any facts.

Well ask for some and I will try to deliver them.





Nope. Not saying that at all.

Yeah you are! You say that labs cannot decontaminate the chambers properly- thus rendering all given dates as very uncertain and not within a MOE.

 

[nolidad]

Not the sites man. It's your misunderstanding of what they are saying.

You've made an error you don't recognize that is so monumental, it's clearly a waste of time to proceed, because my argument has clearly flown over your head.

Oh I understand it well enough. I agree with the sites. so if my monumental misunderstanding exists- it is because of them. I may type in shorthand and make responses that superficially look real bad, but I correct them after.

I hope you never try to shorten a response and have other like yourself trash you!

 

[nolidad]

No. You really don't understand how radioactive decay works.

Yes I really do!

I just speak in non technical language- maybe that is why you don't understand. I speak in normal language!