House passes resolution officially condemning Trump's racist attack on congresswomen

[Mountainmanbob]

They are so very (ultra sensitive) unless it is they that are throwing the stones.

M-Bob

 

[Speedwell]

The are so very (ultra sensitive) unless it is they that are throwing the stones.

M-Bob

Now who are you talking about? Who's "they?"

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Even so, I still don't see anything racist in what he said.

I'm guessing no one's ever told you to go back where you came from and then called where came from a "complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world, if they have a functioning government at all."

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Because to someone like me, this is how I might define racism. Take white supremacists, for example. They are clearly racists. They don't just hate some black people, they hate all black people, apparently. If a white supremacist were to tell a black person to go back to where their race was initially from, they would be meaning that about all black people, regardless. Trump wasn't meaning it in the same way. Trump wasn't lashing out at entire ethnicity groups, he was only lashing out at these 4 congress women in particular. But not because he was racist towards their ethnicity, but because some of their ideologies were anti-American, etc.

Some of Trumps ideologies are anti-American. Can we tell him to go bank where he came from?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

What exactly is the goal of the left here then? Let's say that all Americans ended up agreeing that Trump's remarks were racist. What comes next? What should that result in? Trump publicly apologizing? Steps to begin removing him from office? What???

How about just a base reality we can agree on and go from there?

 

[Belk]

Some of Trumps ideologies are anti-American. Can we tell him to go bank where he came from?

I'm fairly certain he already does.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Not when it is Republican President Trump being targeted by Democrats who illegally obtained majority in the House last mid-term election.

Wut?

 

[Desk trauma]

Wut?

It only gets worse when expounded upon.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Seems to me that the anaconda is in the White House

According to Stormy, it's more mushroom than anaconda.

 

[DavidPT]

I'm guessing no one's ever told you to go back where you came from and then called where came from a "complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world, if they have a functioning government at all."

We need to be examining the entire tweet in question, in context, and not just the part where some are taking it to be racist. Why are some of you only focusing on a portion of that tweet rather than all of that tweet?

 

[iluvatar5150]

We need to be examining the entire tweet in question, in context, and not just the part where some are taking it to be racist. Why are some of you only focusing on a portion of that tweet rather than all of that tweet?

I've read the entire thing, in context, many times. That he said other things doesn't make the racist part not racist. But even if you want to gloss over the racist bits, the rest of it doesn't make him look any better. The entire point (i.e. "if you don't like it, leave" or "go fix your homeland first") is disingenuous, hypocritical, and completely antithetical to the American system of government.

 

[DavidPT]

How about just a base reality we can agree on and go from there?

Let me ask this, are there any Dems you are aware of that have went on public record indicating his tweet wasn't racist? Or is it pretty safe to assume that every single Dem in the country who are aware of this tweet, found it to be racist? If it's the latter, why isn't that good enough? Why need every non Dem in this country to also find it racist?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Why need every non Dem in this country to also find it racist?

The non-Dems are the ones who might vote for him again in 2 years.

 

[Ronald]

It's almost fun to see the guy show up to a hate rally he probably didn't actually intend to lead that day.

Almost.

That the conservative audience went full out racist should surprise no one at this point. All the groundwork is in place, and the hatred, and racism is out in the open.



Has this person actually expressed a preference for Sharia Law or is that just some religious stereotype you've decided to slap upon every single Muslim ever?

Sharia law is the fundamental structure of their religion. There is no separation of church and state. They firmly believe in an order of governing with no place for democracy, Allah, Law, Imam, clergy, man, woman.
Their history is one of occupy, increase your numbers and conversion by force. In 30 years, Europe will be overwhelmed by their numbers. A culture can sustain itself if they duplicate themselves. I think Europe is procreating at about 1.6 children per family. Muslims 6-8 kids. They will dominate just by numbers alone and of course, their laws are being changed already to accommodate them.
This is not paranoia, it's a movement taking place.

 

[DavidPT]

I've read the entire thing, in context, many times. That he said other things doesn't make the racist part not racist. But even if you want to gloss over the racist bits, the rest of it doesn't make him look any better. The entire point (i.e. "if you don't like it, leave" or "go fix your homeland first") is disingenuous, hypocritical, and completely antithetical to the American system of government.

If you actually did read the entire thing, in context, many times, how in the world did you manage to overlook the part I have underlined below?

Maybe Trump was actually making a valid point over all, except many of you can't see it because of the alleged racism you seem to only be seeing in his tweets?

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly.....

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

Seriously, why would someone being racist want someone to leave, yet come back at some point? No white supremacist, for example, would want someone they hate to go back to where they came from, yet are welcome to come back at a later time. Clearly the left are twisting these things into something nonsensical, as if someone being racist would want someone they are being racist towards, to leave, yet are welcome to come back at some point.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I don't think anyone is saying that Donald's racist rant means he hates the country.

Of course not... he just hates people whose parents werent born in it.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Maybe Trump was actually making a valid point over all, except many of you can't see it because of the alleged racism you seem to only be seeing in his tweets?

I see plenty of things in his tweets. Racism is one of those things, but it's not the only one. As I said, even absent the racism, the point was still hypocritical and disingenuous.

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly.....

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

Seriously, why would someone being racist want someone to leave, yet come back at some point? No white supremacist, for example, would want someone they hate to go back to where they came from, yet are welcome to come back at a later time. Clearly the left are twisting these things into something nonsensical, as if someone being racist would want someone they are being racist towards , to leave, yet are welcome to come back at some point.

There are two overarching themes he's trying to communicate: 1.) That these women aren't American and don't belong here and 2.) That their opinions aren't welcome here, that they should mind their own houses first before telling us how to run ours.

#1 is the racist part. He attacked their heritage. Period. But not only is what he said just not true, it's a charge that only sticks with anybody because the women aren't white. It has a lot in common with the Obama birther conspiracy - nobody would've bought into that if Obama weren't black.

#2 is the disingenuous & hypocritical part, because it suggests that there's something wrong about people questioning the status quo and working to improve our country. Trump and the rest of the right have built their entire worldview on dumping on elements of our society and our government (for example, half of Trump's inaugural speech was spent listing off problems with the country); for them to levy this charge against The Squad (or anybody) is so hypocritical it's asinine.

#2, though, is built on the foundation of #1. Because not only is their opinion unwanted, Trump presents them as not having any business telling us what to do. And they don't have any business telling US what to do... because they aren't US; they are from somewhere else. They are outsiders daring to poke their nose where it doesn't belong.

As to the "and come back and show us" line - he doesn't actually want them to go and figure out problems in these other countries and bring back their expertise. That's a taunt. He's being facetious. It's not a serious suggestion.

 

[DavidPT]

I see plenty of things in his tweets. Racism is one of those things, but it's not the only one. As I said, even absent the racism, the point was still hypocritical and disingenuous.



There are two overarching themes he's trying to communicate: 1.) It has a lot in common with the Obama birther conspiracy - nobody would've bought into that if Obama weren't black.

Why does that have to be because he is black? There are plenty of black people who have been born in this country, and that no one would even be disputing that to begin with. Why make it something about being black then, being the reason why? I personally don't buy that the birth certificate that was produced, that it was legit. And not because Obama is black. I get along with black people just fine, and have had many friends over the years who are black, yet I still don't feel Obama's birth certificate is even legit.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Why does that have to be because he is black? There are plenty of black people who have been born in this country, and that no one would even be disputing that to begin with. Why make it something about being black then, being the reason why? I personally don't buy that the birth certificate that was produced, that it was legit. And not because Obama is black. I get along with black people just fine, and have had many friends over the years who are black, yet I still don't feel Obama's birth certificate is even legit.

Why does that have to be because he is black? Because there aren't many other factors I can find that would influence peoples' perception of his being "American".

If you want to get into it, I think it's a combination of his being black and his being liberal. A white guy wouldn't have invited that much scrutiny and a black conservative wouldn't have invited that much scrutiny. But with that combination of those things, people start to wonder if he's really American.

Have you questioned Donald Trump's birthplace? No.
Ben Carson's? No.
Condoleeza Rice's? No.
Paul Ryan's? No.
Bernie Sanders? No.
Nancy Pelosi? No.

But Obama's? Yep.

You haven't seen any of their birth certificates have you? You just accept that they're all legit. But you question Obama's. Based on what? Nothing but wild speculation. He's the one who's suspected of being an outsider.

And now Trump has raised the same sort of charge with "The Squad" - a group of non-white liberals.

What's funny about the birther thing is that, even if the birthers were 100% right about Obama's birth certificate, the worst that they could say about him was that he was born outside the country to an American mother and a foreign father, which describes Ted Cruz' situation perfectly. Ted Cruz (born in Canada to an American mother and a Cuban father) is exactly what right-wingers feared Obama was, and yet few people even so much as raised a question about his origins and his loyalties. Why? Because he's conservative and he can pass for white.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

I'm guessing no one's ever told you to go back where you came from and then called where came from a "complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world, if they have a functioning government at all."

Wasting your time -- will not carry any weight in 2020.

Actually, all of this ridiculous stuff will only help Trump to be re elected.

Keep them coming.



M-Bob