Some random discussion on evolution...

[pitabread]

Well, it can be many things. Exploring patterns in stars. Exploring how stars can guide us on the sea or land. Exploring how beautiful it all is. Exploring how orbiting bodies are not crashing into one another in chaos. Exploring how the Christmas star must have been unlike the stars up there we see. Exploring the claims so called science makes about the things they actually know something about, comets meteors, the planets etc. Exploring how birds migrate great distances accurately and in a timely way. Exploring how salmon find their way and how they cycles work. etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

All of that can be done regardless of whether one believes in God.

 

[Kylie]

That depends on the 'we'. As for me and my house...no flippin way.

Because nothing is allowed to challenge what you believe to be true.

 

[Kylie]

Not at all. Unless sanity and common sense and intelligence is circular inside your mind?

I see no common sense in your determination to accept a logical fallacy as truth.

 

[dad]

All of that can be done regardless of whether one believes in God.

No. If we miss the forest for the trees, then we are not really seeing much. Taking God from His creation is not possible all people can do is blind themselves to Him.

 

[dad]

Because nothing is allowed to challenge what you believe to be true.

It may be allowed, but it won't end well for it

 

[dad]

I see no common sense in your determination to accept a logical fallacy as truth.

It is illogical to view obviously constructed and engineered synced gears as random.

 

[Kylie]

It is illogical to view obviously constructed and engineered synced gears as random.

Once again, you say it is obvious, but you are incapable of actually backing up your claims.

 

[Ophiolite]

It is illogical to view obviously constructed and engineered synced gears as random.

How many times, in how many ways, in how many threads, will you repeat the same error? No one is asserting the formation of the gears is random. If you actually think evolutionists claim such a feature is random then you have been ignoring the content of many posts that you have surely read or replied to. Natural selection is not a random process. Please do yourself a favour and don't repeat such a silly remark again..

 

[dad]

Once again, you say it is obvious, but you are incapable of actually backing up your claims.

Anyone who actually thinks that finding in sync gears in their yard is not finding something obviously designed had taken an unreasoned stanch. A position deliberately designed against reason! Another example of design!

 

[dad]

No one is asserting the formation of the gears is random.

Great so if the synced gears are not designed--if no one made them.. how did they come to exist?

Natural selection is not a random process.

If we want to talk about modern evolving, well fine. That involves God's creation and how He set it up to work.

 

[pitabread]

No. If we miss the forest for the trees, then we are not really seeing much. Taking God from His creation is not possible all people can do is blind themselves to Him.

I'm not looking for idioms. I'm looking to understand what you meant by your prior post, which was this:

Staements are seen in the sum package of words and claims offered. Rather than seek to explore the wonders of creation, they have sought to bury them with witty invented 'anything BUT God' wild scenarios and possibilities.

What is this "exploring"? How is what a creationist/theist would do in that regard different than a non-theist?

Was there any real meaning to that statement or was it just prattle?

 

[Ophiolite]

Great so if the synced gears are not designed--if no one made them.. how did they come to exist?

I already told you: natural selection (of mutated genes).

If we want to talk about modern evolving, well fine. That involves God's creation and how He set it up to work.

And what evidence do you have that "modern evolving" was not going on for the previous 3.5 billion years?

 

[dad]

I'm not looking for idioms. I'm looking to understand what you meant by your prior post, which was this:



What is this "exploring"? How is what a creationist/theist would do in that regard different than a non-theist?

Was there any real meaning to that statement or was it just prattle?

We color what we see with belief in God rather than gods.

 

[dad]

I already told you: natural selection (of mutated genes).

? When is the last time you witnesses genes manufaturing synced gears and dropping them in a back yard!?

And what evidence do you have that "modern evolving" was not going on for the previous 3.5 billion years?

That question works the other way, what evidence do you have it was? We must assume and believe. So why would I assume some hypothetical that leaves the bible false?

 

[pitabread]

We color what we see with belief in God rather than gods.

This still doesn't explain what that is supposed to mean.

I'm just going to conclude it doesn't mean anything.

 

[dad]

This still doesn't explain what that is supposed to mean.

I'm just going to conclude it doesn't mean anything.

Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever you do, do all to the glory of God.

People who believe in the creator see Him in His handiwork.

 

[pitabread]

Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever you do, do all to the glory of God.

People who believe in the creator see Him in His handiwork.

Uh huh.

Doesn't appear to result in anything different from those who don't believe in a creator, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

 

[Kylie]

Anyone who actually thinks that finding in sync gears in their yard is not finding something obviously designed had taken an unreasoned stanch. A position deliberately designed against reason! Another example of design!

You got anything more than making unsupported claims loudly?

 

[dad]

Uh huh.

Doesn't appear to result in anything different from those who don't believe in a creator, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

Rather than seeing stars as evolved I see them as created. All the universe moving is like a giant machine made for our benefit. Looking at the vastness of this universe we realize the power of God. Realizing a new heavens will appear suddenly for us also. We are anything but insignificant. The stars were made for time one earth and man.

 

[dad]

You got anything more than making unsupported claims loudly?

Got anything more than denial that clearly made gears that are locked in sync sitting in a back yard are deliberatly designed?