Some random discussion on evolution...

[pitabread]

Rather than seeing stars as evolved I see them as created. All the universe moving is like a giant machine made for our benefit. Looking at the vastness of this universe we realize the power of God. Realizing a new heavens will appear suddenly for us also. We are anything but insignificant. The stars were made for time one earth and man.

So what?

 

[dad]

So what?

So I am not looking at the same universe you are, one full of happenstance, that started at some big bang, that will end we know not how or when, with stars that evolved rather than are made by God for us...etc etc. Your universe as far as I am concerned is fantasy.

 

[Kylie]

Got anything more than denial that clearly made gears that are locked in sync sitting in a back yard are deliberatly designed?

Wow, you must really like committing that logical fallacy.

 

[xianghua]

I've yet to see the evidence that gears can't arise naturally.

so according to you these may not be the product of design?:

 

[xianghua]

We've had this discussion before. Photos of fake "UFOs" were typically made using common objects like hubcaps, lamp shades, etc.

i said that its an authentic object for the sake of the argument. it means that its a real flying non-human ufo. can you conclude design or not?

 

[VirOptimus]

so according to you these may not be the product of design?:

The Christian god is described in a book, Cthulhu is also described in a book. You say your god exist, ergo Cthulhu must also exist.

 

[Speedwell]

i said that its an authentic object for the sake of the argument. it means that its a real flying non-human ufo. can you conclude design or not?

Not from that picture. That "UFO," if it is not a fake, might be an intentionally manufactured machine, but it could be a living creature or some other natural phenomenon.

You have been asking this same basic kind of question over and over for several years. You have asked it about self-replicating cars, wooden watches, robot penguins and now gears and flying saucers. What makes you think that you will ever get a different answer than the one you have been getting?

Functional organization is not evidence of intelligent design. Give it up.

 

[pitabread]

So I am not looking at the same universe you are, one full of happenstance, that started at some big bang, that will end we know not how or when, with stars that evolved rather than are made by God for us...etc etc. Your universe as far as I am concerned is fantasy.

Again, so what?

You haven't explained why anyone should care.

 

[pitabread]

i said that its an authentic object for the sake of the argument. it means that its a real flying non-human ufo. can you conclude design or not?

That's not how this works. You don't post a picture of something asking whether it's a designed object, and then arbitrarily tell someone what it is or isn't. I told you that, yes, it's a designed object. And this is based on knowledge of how UFO photos are faked using human manufactured objects like hubcaps, lamp shades and so on. That's just what it is whether you like it or not.

However none of this has anything to do with design in biological organisms.

Have you determined how biological organisms were created yet? Or are you going to continue to avoid the subject?

 

[Speedwell]

The truth of the matter is that Xianghua does not really care that much about ID as an explanation for the diversity of life. Like all IDists, he is only trying to disprove evolution so he can shove biblical creationism up our noses.

 

[dad]

Wow, you must really like committing that logical fallacy.

There is nothing wrong logically with realizing that obviously designed mechanical units- and even in sync together, are made by someone. It would be crazy and illogical to think they just appeared or grew out of the grass or whatever!

 

[dad]

Again, so what?

You haven't explained why anyone should care.

All me should care whether the universe was made for them, and God plans eternal life for us.

 

[pitabread]

All me should care whether the universe was made for them, and God plans eternal life for us.

These beliefs have nothing to do with "exploring creation" though.

 

[pitabread]

The truth of the matter is that Xianghua does not really care that much about ID as an explanation for the diversity of life. Like all IDists, he is only trying to disprove evolution so he can shove biblical creationism up our noses.

The weird thing is that he doesn't actually advocate for any form of creationism. At least other creationists will spam Bible quotes and the like. Whereas xianghua only ever seems to argue against evolution for the sake of being a contrarian.

 

[Speedwell]

The weird thing is that he doesn't actually advocate for any form of creationism. At least other creationists will spam Bible quotes and the like. Whereas xianghua only ever seems to argue against evolution for the sake of being a contrarian.

Every so often a reference to biblical creationism will slip in, although it's clear that he is working very hard to avoid the religion issue.

 

[Yttrium]

Every so often a reference to biblical creationism will slip in, although it's clear that he is working very hard to avoid the religion issue.

xianghua is Jewish, so he doesn't really fit in with the other creationists around here. It makes me wonder if there's a Jewish creationist group hanging around someplace.

 

[Speedwell]

xianghua is Jewish, so he doesn't really fit in with the other creationists around here. It makes me wonder if there's a Jewish creationist group hanging around someplace.

Haredi (ultra-orthodox) Jews are biblical creationists.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

i said that its an authentic object for the sake of the argument. it means that its a real flying non-human ufo. can you conclude design or not?

Pretend it's a robot penguin. Now tell us how you came to that conclusion.

 

[dad]

These beliefs have nothing to do with "exploring creation" though.

The benefit of being better able to properly explore creation only comes from knowing it was created and the creator.

 

[pitabread]

The benefit of being better able to properly explore creation only comes from knowing it was created and the creator.

And what does it mean to "properly explore creation"?

You keep saying things, but do not substantiate them with anything... If you're going to go in circles, then we may as well end this discussion here. I've given you a half dozen opportunities to this, but you seem unable to do so.