Disney Finds 'Little Mermaid' Star in Singer Halle Bailey

[essentialsaltes]

I stand (er, tread water) with the Dugongs who are extremely underrepresented in film.

 

[SummerMadness]

I think it's funny that the "she doesn't have red hair" people are trying their hardest to speak in code. What they're really trying to say is, "She isn't white." At least one person admitted it.

It's not like black people don't have red hair:

Or black people don't have blue eyes:

But that's a mutation! Yeah, blue eyes are a mutation. We could also show black people with natural blonde hair, but that's beside the point, this is people using code to push a racist narrative about what color a mythical creature should because we know it's not about hair color, you can easily change that:

 

[SummerMadness]

I'm glad social media wasn't a thing in the 90s, we were likely spared the whines and complaints about Dame Judy Dench being M.

 

[SummerMadness]

A quote I read: "Some people are more upset about Nike and mermaids than they are about concentration camps."

Facts.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I think it's funny that the "she doesn't have red hair" people are trying their hardest to speak in code. What they're really trying to say is, "She isn't white." At least one person admitted it.

Or they just meant she didn't have red hair...and you're racializing something that wasn't racial.

But that's a mutation! Yeah, blue eyes are a mutation.

Guess what? It's all a mutation. Unless I'm speaking to one of the first single celled organisms that combined with mitochondria.....it's mutations all the way down.

 

[Ana the Ist]

A quote I read: "Some people are more upset about Nike and mermaids than they are about concentration camps."

Facts.

Some people care more righting the wrongs of slavery and racial oppression in US history than the Chinese people throwing themselves off of factories today so they can have a 1000$ iphone.

Facts.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I stand (er, tread water) with the Dugongs who are extremely underrepresented in film.

This reminds me of the death of Professor Dugong...

 

[Nithavela]

I think it's funny that the "she doesn't have red hair" people are trying their hardest to speak in code. What they're really trying to say is, "She isn't white." At least one person admitted it.

It's not like black people don't have red hair:

Is one of them cast as Ariel?

I dislike that red haired people are always cast as people of other haircolor in film.

One would think that someone as sensitive about issues of exclusion as you would understand that, but maybe you only see skin color and not hair color.

 

[mala]

This.

Disney's trying to have it both ways, and the end result have been films that are, on the whole, so lackluster as to make one nostalgic for the prequels.

Actual weapons experts have torn Rey's fighting technique apart (she'd have been killed repeatedly if she had tried to fight like that in real life), any credible tactical analysis of The Last Jedi shows that Poe was right & Holdo was incompetent, the "fill the gap" movies are artificially constricted by their having to fit into established spaces, et cetra.

They're doing too much at once, none of it is being done well, and individual creatives in particular are failing miserably.

The franchise as a whole has largely suffered under Disney's watch, so much so that it can't even support a theme attraction.

you sound really really sore about something that to most people would be meaningless.

 

[Ironhold]

I'm glad social media wasn't a thing in the 90s, we were likely spared the whines and complaints about Dame Judy Dench being M.

Many fans of the Bond movie franchise - myself included - hold it that in the films the names are simply code names passed on from operative to operative, with each acting talent being a different operative and the next in line to inherit it.

As such, there's nothing stopping, say, Idris Elba from being cast as Bond; he'd simply be the next operative in line.


That being said though, in the original novels, if you do some research into who Ian Fleming was you'll see that the novels are pretty much self-insert fiction, with Bond being a younger, fictionalized version of either Fleming himself or someone he probably worked with during WWII.

 

[Ironhold]

you sound really really sore about something that to most people would be meaningless.

Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, the franchise is dying under Disney's watch.

The films are constantly getting roasted, merchandise sales are taking, the theme park is a dud, and people the world over are leaving the fandom.

 

[SummerMadness]

Is one of them cast as Ariel?

I dislike that red haired people are always cast as people of other haircolor in film.

One would think that someone as sensitive about issues of exclusion as you would understand that, but maybe you only see skin color and not hair color.

If this was about hair color, then there would be an angry campaign against Scarlett Johansson, Kirsten Dunst, Jennifer Lawrence, Charlize Theron, Jessica Alba, Kate Mara, etc., about people with different hair color playing a role in a movie. None of those angry campaigns occurred, so to say that it’s about hair seems far-fetched.

 

[SummerMadness]

I can't believe Hollywood is changing the hair color of iconic characters:

Since when was Lois Lane a redhead?

It's not about the change in hair color or casting someone, then dying their hair.

 

[Ironhold]

I can't believe Hollywood is changing the hair color of iconic characters:

Read up on who and what Jason Momoa is when the cameras aren't running, and you'll can see that this is a clear case of "pragmatic casting".

Momoa is if Native Hawaiian ancestry, and some of those tattoos he has are related to his family (including one that's his family crest) and his position within the group of people he hails from.

That scar on his face? It's real. Got it in a bar fight 11 years ago.

And so on.

Given who and what Aquaman is, he's probably the best person in Hollywood to handle the role.

 

[SummerMadness]

Read up on who and what Jason Momoa is when the cameras aren't running, and you'll can see that this is a clear case of "pragmatic casting".

Momoa is if Native Hawaiian ancestry, and some of those tattoos he has are related to his family (including one that's his family crest) and his position within the group of people he hails from.

That scar on his face? It's real. Got it in a bar fight 11 years ago.

And so on.

Given who and what Aquaman is, he's probably the best person in Hollywood to handle the role.

Aquaman is white and has blonde hair, it was obviously bad casting.

 

[Nithavela]

If this was about hair color, then there would be an angry campaign against Scarlett Johansson, Kirsten Dunst, Jennifer Lawrence, Charlize Theron, Jessica Alba, Kate Mara, etc., about people with different hair color playing a role in a movie. None of those angry campaigns occurred, so to say that it’s about hair seems far-fetched.

It's mostly the targeted replacement of red-haired characters that is bothering me.

Not that you'll believe me.

If you really were against oppression of minorities, you would be open to the underrepresentation of any minority in film, but for you, it's only about skin color, and you are projecting your own bias on everyone else, just like you are doing in this thread.

 

[SummerMadness]

It's mostly the targeted replacement of red-haired characters that is bothering me.

Not that you'll believe me.

If you really were against oppression of minorities, you would be open to the underrepresentation of any minority in film, but for you, it's only about skin color, and you are projecting your own bias on everyone else, just like you are doing in this thread.

As I said, the absence of campaigns, articles, hashtags, etc., complaining about the "targeting" of redhead roles suggests that the current anger expressed by many is not genuine or about red hair. If they did, perhaps we would have seen complaints for the casting of the following:

• April O'Neil (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles) [Megan Fox]
• Batgirl (Batman) [Alicia Silverstone/Dina Meyer]
• Black Widow (Avengers) [Scarlett Johansson]
• Daphne (Scooby Doo) [Sarah Michelle Gellar]
• Jimmy Olsen (Superman) [Aaron Ashmore]
• Leelo (Fifth Element) [Milla Jovovich]
• Mary Jane (Spider-Man) [Kirsten Dunst]
• Poison Ivy (Batman) [Uma Thurman]

You'll have to forgive me if I shrug my shoulders about the silence until now. I understand some are making a satirical joke, but others are not.

EDIT: Adding more bottle redheads that received no complaints.

• Sansa Stark and Jean Grey (Game of Thrones/X-Men) [Sophie Turner]
• Pepper Potts (Iron-Man) [Gwyneth Paltrow]
• Mera (Aquaman) [Amber Heard]

 

[Nithavela]

As I said, the absence of campaigns, articles, hashtags, etc., complaining about the "targeting" of redhead roles suggests that the current anger expressed by many is not genuine or about red hair. If they did, perhaps we would have seen complaints for the casting of the following:

• April O'Neil (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles)
• Batgirl (Batman)
• Black Widow (Avengers)
• Daphne (Scooby Doo)
• Jimmy Olsen (Superman)
• Leelo (Fifth Element)
• Mary Jane (Spider-Man)
• Poison Ivy (Batman)

You'll have to forgive me if I shrug my shoulders about the silence until now. I understand some are making a satirical joke, but others are not.

You might have missed the complaints, but I saw at least some for some of those examples.

 

[Ironhold]

With Megan Fox, what I saw was primarily surprise that she was working with Michael Bay again.

Nutshell: Fox actually showed up to film on "Transformers: Dark of the Moon", was on-set for all of a day, and disappeared, forcing her character to be hastily written out and another actress brought in. Nobody could officially confirm a reason for her sudden departure, but it was generally accepted as being the result of personal issues between her and Bay. The only reason anyone can think of as to why she'd come back for TMNT was her realizing that she was only profitable when Bay was behind the camera.

 

[mina]

Maybe she'll wear a red wig? I was a huge fan of the little Mermaid when I was growing up and I don't really care who they cast in the role as long as her voice is amazing. It's a fantasy movie for entertainment about a half fish half girl; it doesn't matter to me what race she is or her hair color .