Abortion Bans are Really Working Great

[98cwitr]

The vast majority of abortions are performed during the first trimester, well before fetal viability.

Outside of the womb sure, but if left alone (as nature and God designed), they're perfectly viable. Viability should never be determined by taking a human out of a life supporting situation. That would be like unhooking a loved one from life support with full confidence that they would get better in a few months, but because they would simply burden you, you decide to end their life instead.

 

[zephcom]

Asian income, per capita, surpassed white income.

So?

 

[dogs4thewin]

I was actually thinking more on the line actually PAYING women a family wage, treating them as valuable members of society because they DIDN'T choose abortion instead of as 'fallen women' for becoming pregnant, and arranging for affordable child care instead of heaping more abuse on them by assuming they are going to 'abuse safety nets' and make no effort to improve themselves.

You abuse safety nets when you keep having children you cannot afford knowing you will get more money.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Most abortions are performed as a means of ridding women of an unwanted pregnancy of a perfectly viable baby, because society since Roe has propaganda'd the notion that it's not the taking of innocent life, because the "fetus" has been dehumanized. Now with medical advancements, we see how wrong this notion is.

actually most abortions are preformed in the first trimester. At this point the baby is NOT viable.

 

[Hammster]

Which doesn't address the issue raised in the OP.

It did address the post I quoted. Context.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Outside of the womb sure, but if left alone (as nature and God designed), they're perfectly viable. Viability should never be determined by taking a human out of a life supporting situation. That would be like unhooking a loved one from life support with full confidence that they would get better in a few months, but because they would simply burden you, you decide to end their life instead.

outside the womb is what should matter.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Women who murder their children are criminals.

BUT under the law having an early abortion is NOT murder you cannot murder someone that is not there.

 

[Speedwell]

Outside of the womb sure, but if left alone (as nature and God designed), they're perfectly viable. Viability should never be determined by taking a human out of a life supporting situation. That would be like unhooking a loved one from life support with full confidence that they would get better in a few months, but because they would simply burden you, you decide to end their life instead.

Yes, I know that's what you believe, but many people do not. Until pro-lifers can convince more people that a zygote, or a blastocyst or an embryo is a baby--instead of just condemning them for not regarding it as self-evident--they won't see much progress.

 

[zephcom]

You abuse safety nets when you keep having children you cannot afford knowing you will get more money.

Then conservatives are abusing safety nets by banning abortions, huh?

Perhaps conservatives should knock down some walls in their minds so that ideas don't exist in a vacuum. Demanding that women take every pregnancy to term and THEN whining because women on 'assistance' are abusing the assistance because they keep having babies makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

NOT having babies a woman can't afford is one of the major reasons for abortion. You want all the babies that are conceived then pony up some more money to raise them.

 

[dogs4thewin]

How about we make performing abortions illegal? Then it’s not the woman who is the criminal.

Then, if there’s government assistance needed (if the woman decides to raise her child), we can treat food stamps like WIC, and have a list of foods that are acceptable. And with mandatory drug testing.

That’s a good start. Much better than killing a person in the womb, don’t you think?

The problem is what is a "person" in a secular society?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Then conservatives are abusing safety nets by banning abortions, huh?

Perhaps conservatives should knock down some walls in their minds so that ideas don't exist in a vacuum. Demanding that women take every pregnancy to term and THEN whining because women on 'assistance' are abusing the assistance because they keep having babies makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

NOT having babies a woman can't afford is one of the major reasons for abortion. You want all the babies that are conceived then pony up some more money to raise them.

I think what they should do is allow women ONE Extra child after they go on assistance for which the can get money.

 

[archarios]

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[zephcom]

I think what they should do is allow women ONE Extra child after they go on assistance for which the can get money.

How does that help stop abortions???

 

[dogs4thewin]

At what point do you believe "a someone exists" and where do you draw that knowledge from?

To me if a woman dies ( whether she is killed or dies of natural causes and there is no way to save the baby then that is not murder.

 

[dogs4thewin]

How does that help stop abortions???

If women know they will get no additional money after their first child maybe they will keep their legs closed.

 

[Hammster]

People just can't get passed the idea that women are totally helpless and need someone to 'look after them'. The reality is -that- is the problem.
I'm going to say this next thing without looking it up, but I'm pretty sure it is close to accurate. The wage scales in America, on average, is like this: A white male makes the most money, a black male makes about 80 percent of that, a white woman makes about 60 percent of that, and a black woman makes about 40 percent of that.

How about we accept that women should be making the same money for the same work as a white male? Then they wouldn't NEED assistance. Let's assume women have the same intelligence that a man has and doesn't NEED us to tell her what foods she can eat. Let's assume that women are no more likely to use drugs than men are and if men don't have to do drug testing neither should women.

Women are NOT inferior beings. It would be really helpful to keep that in mind.

That’s not even close to addressing my post.

Every job I’ve had has required drug testing. And that is me giving them some sort of service, and receiving wages for said service. Here we are talking about money for nothing.

 

[FireDragon76]

Like murder. Or burglary. Or blackmail. Etc

I think it's like the ancient Chinese wisdom, "Running a big country is like frying a small fish". The secret is not to make up laws just because you don't like something. Trying to completely ban abortion is an intrusive and useless measure and has never resulted in good outcomes, in terms of human development, in any country that has tried it.

 

[Speedwell]

...maybe they will keep their legs closed.

Which is exactly the kind of statement which causes pro-choicers to conclude that prolife is more about controlling women's sex lives than about preventing baby murder.

 

[Hammster]

actually most abortions are preformed in the first trimester. At this point the baby is NOT viable.

Still a baby.

 

[Hammster]

Which is exactly the kind of statement which causes pro-choicers to conclude that prolife is more about controlling women's sex lives than about preventing baby murder.

If a woman doesn’t get pregnant, then no need for an abortion. And abstinence works every time.