The Loaded Question (Philippians 2:13)

[Phil W]

You can lead a horse...

Get it? More mans wisdom...

You can lead a man to the "kool-aid"... "Jim Jones"

 

[TheSeabass]

If meeting the conditions involves works in order to get saved, that is by definition salvation-by-works. And this is another thing about Salvation-by-Works Christians - misleading comments.

But is does NOT mean those conditional works earn the free gift of salvation. Obedient works are conditions GOD has attached to His free gift of salvation and working to meet conditions does not earn the free gift.

Noah's obedient work in building the ark did not earn Gods gracious gift of saving his house. But that work was a necessary condition GOD required.

 

[Phil W]

Here's what I think is the Scriptural answer to the question:

"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them" (Ephesians 2:8-10).

Amen!
we can't be saved by the works of the Mosaic Law.

 

[Alithis]

Is Jesus a Law Breaker? No?

Non Sequitur

Not at all ..
It is fully related... 1. The man on the cross was Not about to live a life for Jesus upon the earth as a new creation in christ JESUS.
2 how could he be baptized into the death of Christ (as paul later explains) when Christ had not yet died or risen again .
Jesus was still in the process of making this way of salvation available.
Theman on the cross was saved the same way Kind David was... He put his hope in the word of GOD.
As david said.." In Your WORD oh lord do i put my trust ... "
- and the word became flesh..
But NOW.. Jesus has died and has risen again and to be saved we must believe on him..
And believe is not just a declaration but to adhere to trust rely on listen to follow and obey... That is what believe means.

 

[Phil W]

Who snatched the unsnatachable?

Nothing was snatched: it was given away.

 

[Alithis]

Amen!
we can't be saved by the works of the Mosaic Law.

Ahh thank you.. So very many miss that definition .
That the works paul spoke of were works of the law. Circumcision and blood sacrifice and observances etc .
Where as the works James spoke of were actions of obedient faith .
Faith being the action we take because we believe what God has Graciously done for us through Jesus

Thus by grace are you saved THROUGH faith..the obedient action you take because you believe his graciousness

 

[Phil W]

Per context... there is zero way to interpret that from the passage. 2 Timothy 2:13

Don't forget the words before verse 13..."if we deny him, he also will deny us:"

 

[Grip Docility]

You can lead a man to the "kool-aid"... "Jim Jones"

You must be castrated to transcend this world.

- Marshall Applewhite

 

[Phil W]

RED FLAGS all over the place pop up.

If you have to meet certain conditions the how can the gift be free?

Did Hitler get the "free" gift?
No, as he didn't "do" what was required of him.

 

[Grip Docility]

Don't forget the words before verse 13..."if we deny him, he also will deny us:"

How about Chapter 2 in totality...?

Here is a trustworthy saying:

If we died with him,
we will also live with him
12 if we endure,
we will also reign with him.
If we disown him,
he will also disown us;
13 if we are faithless,
he remains faithful,
for he cannot disown himself.

The entire phrase still reads true. Peter denied him three times.

 

[bcbsr]

But is does NOT mean those conditional works earn the free gift of salvation. Obedient works are conditions GOD has attached to His free gift of salvation and working to meet conditions does not earn the free gift.

Noah's obedient work in building the ark did not earn Gods gracious gift of saving his house. But that work was a necessary condition GOD required.

Again it's a misnomer that you can have a "free" gift. You just have to qualify to have it by paying for it by your works. It's simply a deceptive attempt to replace the grace of God with salvation by works soteriology.

 

[Grip Docility]

Did Hitler get the "free" gift?
No, as he didn't "do" what was required of him.

Congratulations!!

 

[Phil W]

You must be castrated to transcend this world.

- Marshall Applewhite

In a sense, that is correct.
Don't we endure the circumcision done without hands in casting off the flesh? (Col 2:11)

 

[bcbsr]

Thus by grace are you saved THROUGH faith..the obedient action you take because you believe his graciousness

That in contrast to "to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness." Rom 4:5 We glorify God's graciousness by accepting it by grace and not by works. Those who work to get saved reject the grace of God - and as such are disqualified from receiving the free gift.

Rom 9:32 Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works.

 

[Grip Docility]

You must be castrated to transcend this world.

- Marshall Apple-white

In a sense, that is correct.
Don't we endure the circumcision done without hands in casting off the flesh? (Col 2:11)

Phil... no. Physical Castration and the Circumcision of the heart (Ephesians 1:13) are

Wait for it.....

“Apples” and Oranges...

 

[Alithis]

his faith is credited as righteousness

And how was Abrahams faith proven that he had any?..
He took the action to OBEY God...
He took his only son to sacrifice him.
His obedience proved he believed.
His obedience was the action of faith..
No obedience equates to no faith.

 

[-57]

Its not Ok ?? But why not..
You said your future sins are already firgiven
So its a contradiction to say it's not ok .
If they are already forgiven how can it matter whether you do them or not ?


Methinks you might need to rethink that non scriptural doctrine...

Yikes..a thought twister.

If I sin my salvation isn't in jeopardy. My relationship with the lord my develope problems.

 

[Alithis]

Per context... there is zero way to interpret that from the passage. 2 Timothy 2:13

Still ,he has said he will punish the wicked for thier evil deeds.. So he is faithful to do so..
He is faithful even when we are not

 

[Phil W]

How about Chapter 2 in totality...?

Here is a trustworthy saying:

If we died with him,
we will also live with him
12 if we endure,
we will also reign with him.
If we disown him,
he will also disown us;
13 if we are faithless,
he remains faithful,
for he cannot disown himself.

The entire phrase still reads true. Peter denied him three times.

Peter had not received the gift of the Holy Ghost before Christ was raised from the dead.
He was still in the OT.

If we "disown" Him...He will "disown" us.

 

[Grip Docility]

Peter had not received the gift of the Holy Ghost before Christ was raised from the dead.
He was still in the OT.

If we "disown" Him...He will "disown" us.

I agree with your premise about Peter. Well studied!

I disagree that Peters walk is any different than any other Christians, in that we fail Him, though HE NEVER Fails us.