Eve came from Adam, evolution does not allow this

[dad]

Your problem is that you don't understand Genesis. You have turned it into a very old newspaper report on God making a man from mud pies and some persons eating fruit.

I did not write the book actually. Nor do I make fun of it as you do. I simply try to believe it.

You have stripped it of all its meaning apart from the statement of some dodgy historical facts that have little meaning in terms of human psychology, salvation history or indeed anything else important to a person living today.

In no way at all is that remotely even a third cousin to a shadow of truth. I see immense meanings about salvation, prophesy, life etc etc etc. None of that requires disbelief in Genesis.

 

[dad]

"did that event never happen". You see the question and this post is you demonstrating your lack of knowledge on what metaphors are, over and over again. Go read my post in #358 (and also look up the word).. so you can stop asking "did this happen" as your counter to metaphors.

Speaking of 'did this happen' how about the OP? Did Eve come from a bone or the birth canal?

 

[-57]

"did that event never happen". You see the question and this post is you demonstrating your lack of knowledge on what metaphors are, over and over again. Go read my post in #358 (and also look up the word).. so you can stop asking "did this happen" as your counter to metaphors.

In the past you have presented Genesis as events that didn't happen....you made them simple metaphors in support of evolutionism. YET, verse after verse have been presented to you that show Genesis is to be taken as literal and historical.

Jesus is a door is a metaphor. It means you must pass through Him in order to obtain salvation.

Adam and Eve received animal skin to hide their nakedness. That really happened. One could argue the skin was a metaphor for the covering of their sins...BUT....the event happened.

Eve being deceived by the serpent was not a metaphor. According to the Bible the event happened. Which is why I ask the question which you keep hiding behind "metaphor"so you don't have to answer the question.

If Eve wasn't deceived then what is that account a metaphor for? Please back up your answer with biblical reference rather than opinion.

 

[Cis.jd]

In the past you have presented Genesis as events that didn't happen....you made them simple metaphors in support of evolutionism. YET, verse after verse have been presented to you that show Genesis is to be taken as literal and historical.

No, i never said it didn't happen i'm saying it's not literal nor is it accurate in scientific details. Again, go look up the word metaphorical.

Adam and Eve received animal skin to hide their nakedness. That really happened. One could argue the skin was a metaphor for the covering of their sins...BUT....the event happened.

Why do you keep going "it happened"? Metaphors can be used for something factually but through symbolic details to explain them, just like in my post in 358. COME ON!

Eve being deceived by the serpent was not a metaphor. According to the Bible the event happened. Which is why I ask the question which you keep hiding behind "metaphor"so you don't have to answer the question.

Isn't the Serpent satan, apples? How about "flowing with milk and honey". That already indicates to you that this already being detailed symbolically. Why can't you just do your part and look up the word for crying out loud instead repeatedly replying with these posts of "did it happen" making it rather clear you don't even know the meaning of the words you are trying to dispute.

 

[Cis.jd]

Speaking of 'did this happen' how about the OP? Did Eve come from a bone or the birth canal?

Probably neither since the hebrew word used in that verse is tsela which is sometimes used as "side".

Why did God use Adam's rib to create Eve?
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org...n/the-adam-and-eve-story-eve-came-from-where/
Did Eve Come from Adam’s "Rib"? - Israel Bible Weekly
Adam, Eve, and Evolution
^ Even these links tell you

 

[-57]

No, i never said it didn't happen i'm saying it's not literal nor is it accurate in scientific details. Again, go look up the word metaphorical.

You are making no sense at all. You are saying Eve was not made from Adams rib. That it literally never happened. WHICH MEANS YOU ARE SAYING IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

Why do you keep going "it happened"? Metaphors can be used for something factually but through symbolic details to explain them, just like in my post in 358. COME ON!

It happened because the Bible said it did and confirmed by other bible authors. Now you may join hands with the atheist and claim it never happened, but at least they say the Bible presents it as literal and historical.

Isn't the Serpent satan, apples? How about "flowing with milk and honey". That already indicates to you that this already being detailed symbolically. Why can't you just do your part and look up the word for crying out loud instead repeatedly replying with these posts of "did it happen" making it rather clear you don't even know the meaning of the words you are trying to dispute.

Then why don't you post the metaphoric meaning of Genesis 1,2 and 3?

I'm beginning to think maybe you ought to go look up the meaning.

 

[Archivist]

You are making no sense at all. You are saying Eve was not made from Adams rib. That it literally never happened. WHICH MEANS YOU ARE SAYING IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

Because she wasn't made from Adam's rib. The story is an allegory. You are, of course, free to your own interpretation.

 

[-57]

Probably neither since the hebrew word used in that verse is tsela which is sometimes used as "side".

Why did God use Adam's rib to create Eve?
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org...n/the-adam-and-eve-story-eve-came-from-where/
Did Eve Come from Adam’s "Rib"? - Israel Bible Weekly
Adam, Eve, and Evolution
^ Even these links tell you

So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh.

Substituting side for rib makes no sense. One of twelve ribs makes much more sense than 1 of 2 sides.

The God closed up the "place". How much of Adams side do you think God used?

 

[Cis.jd]

So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh.

Substituting side for rib makes no sense. One of twelve ribs makes much more sense than 1 of 2 sides.

The God closed up the "place". How much of Adams side do you think God used?

Side what the original hebrew word uses, just look at those links they are protestant to catholic sources. The only reason why it doesn't make sense because it's not literal. It is to explain that women where created to be man's equal, in where two sides (male and female) join (marriage) become 1 whole "flesh".

You are making no sense at all. You are saying Eve was not made from Adams rib. That it literally never happened. WHICH MEANS YOU ARE SAYING IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

For once, look up the word metaphor.

 

[-57]

Because she wasn't made from Adam's rib. The story is an allegory. You are, of course, free to your own interpretation.

You've lost that argument and don't even know it.

Here's why......

Paul wrote a letter to Timothy. In it Paul said "For Adam was formed first, then Eve;" 1 Tim 2:13.
If it was an allegory one has to ask why Paul would present it as fact? Especially considering the topic. Paul was addressing an issue with women in the church and based a rule upon the literalness of Genesis. Why would Paul base his rule on an allegorical situation? An event that never happened?

 

[Cis.jd]

You've lost that argument and don't even know it.

Here's why......

Paul wrote a letter to Timothy. In it Paul said "For Adam was formed first, then Eve;" 1 Tim 2:13.
If it was an allegory one has to ask why Paul would present it as fact? Especially considering the topic. Paul was addressing an issue with women in the church and based a rule upon the literalness of Genesis. Why would Paul base his rule on an allegorical situation? An event that never happened?

I don't want to offend you or anything.. but are you still in school or something? Because I'm honestly curious why you don't understand what "not being literal" means.

 

[-57]

Side what the original hebrew word uses, just look at those links they are protestant to catholic sources. The only reason why it doesn't make sense because it's not literal. It is to explain that women where created to be man's equal, in where two sides (male and female) join (marriage) become 1 whole "flesh".


For once, look up the word metaphor.

23Then the man said,

“This at last is bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken out of Man.”

 

[-57]

I don't want to offend you or anything.. but are you still in school or something? Because I'm honestly curious why you don't understand what "not being literal" means.

When you present something as not being literal and only an allegory when referencing the creation account you are saying it didn't happen.

 

[Cis.jd]

23Then the man said,

“This at last is bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken out of Man.”

That is answered in the links i gave. You really are just rambling now, look at how you just quoted this showing you didn't bother to check out the links and you still don't want to even look up the word "metaphor". I've wasted so much time already with you and you can't even click some christian sites?

 

[Archivist]

You've lost that argument and don't even know it.

Here's why......

Paul wrote a letter to Timothy. In it Paul said "For Adam was formed first, then Eve;" 1 Tim 2:13.
If it was an allegory one has to ask why Paul would present it as fact? Especially considering the topic. Paul was addressing an issue with women in the church and based a rule upon the literalness of Genesis. Why would Paul base his rule on an allegorical situation? An event that never happened?

Because Paul didn't know how the Earth and life on the Earth were actually created, so he incorrectly read an allegory as being literal.

 

[dad]

Probably neither since the hebrew word used in that verse is tsela which is sometimes used as "side".

Why did God use Adam's rib to create Eve?
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org...n/the-adam-and-eve-story-eve-came-from-where/
Did Eve Come from Adam’s "Rib"? - Israel Bible Weekly
Adam, Eve, and Evolution
^ Even these links tell you

Because she wasn't made from Adam's rib. The story is an allegory. You are, of course, free to your own interpretation.

21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. 23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Tsela`
side, rib, beam

1. rib (of man)
2. rib (of hill, ridge, etc)
3. side-chambers or cells (of temple structure)
4. rib, plank, board (of cedar or fir)
5. leaves (of door)
6. side (of ark)

Look at the first meaning for the word listed.
Now look at the context of the verses, we have God making a woman from a bone or rib in the man. In case you miss this somehow, we have Adam confirming the woman is from him and bone of his bone. Even her name was related to where she was taken out of.

Paul affirms this

1Co 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

Jesus also refers to how He made them.

Mr 10:6 -But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Obviously God put Adam to sleep and took a rib or bone or something from him and made Eve with it. It is disingenuous to argue about exactly what rib on what side or what bone God used when asked if you believe it even happened.

 

[dad]

Because she wasn't made from Adam's rib. The story is an allegory. You are, of course, free to your own interpretation.

There we have it, outright denial of Scripture. The grass parts and we see what was in it.

 

[dad]

Because Paul didn't know how the Earth and life on the Earth were actually created, so he incorrectly read an allegory as being literal.

Ah, so now prophets and apostles and writers of the bible who refer to an actual creation are not led of the Spirit of God but were ignorant and mistaken peasants who were just wrong. When Jesus referred to how He created man and woman at the beginning was He wrong also?

 

[Archivist]

21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. 23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Tsela`
side, rib, beam

1. rib (of man)
2. rib (of hill, ridge, etc)
3. side-chambers or cells (of temple structure)
4. rib, plank, board (of cedar or fir)
5. leaves (of door)
6. side (of ark)

Look at the first meaning for the word listed.
Now look at the context of the verses, we have God making a woman from a bone or rib in the man. In case you miss this somehow, we have Adam confirming the woman is from him and bone of his bone. Even her name was related to where she was taken out of.

Paul affirms this

1Co 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

Jesus also refers to how He made them.

Mr 10:6 -But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Obviously God put Adam to sleep and took a rib or bone or something from him and made Eve with it. It is disingenuous to argue about exactly what rib on what side or what bone God used when asked if you believe it even happened.

It is an allegory.

 

[dad]

The only reason why it doesn't make sense because it's not literal.

It makes sense. God performed an operation, and one that is still infinitely superior to what medical science could do.

It is to explain that women where created to be man's equal, in where two sides (male and female) join (marriage) become 1 whole "flesh".

So it is not a real event according to you, but one that was meant to have a politically correct meaning. Ha