Earth, then light (Big Bang), Created on Day One; Sun, Moon and Stars Created on Day Four

[dad]

Do you understand and agree with the following PBS video which indicates we live in a 'Peek a Boo' universe, meaning a universe which does not exist without a conscious observer, Adamkind, to look at it and experience it?

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Since we know that there are fallen angels out in space, and that angels also have traversed the universe. Therefore, why would we think the universe only exists if man looks at it?

 

[Kaon]

Since we know that there are fallen angels out in space, and that angels also have traversed the universe. Therefore, why would we think the universe only exists if man looks at it?

Most don't know, or believe this (even if they "should"). Remember in Childhood's End, the Overseers literally came to the earth in the image of the past historical depictions of demons - and we (the human population) still ignored it, and accepted their flattery (a generation of peace, for example then all of our kids). The book is at least an allegory, and in general a cautionary tale for the psychology of the human race.

 

[Kaon]

Since we know that there are fallen angels out in space, and that angels also have traversed the universe. Therefore, why would we think the universe only exists if man looks at it?

Also, it is a postulate of quantum mechanics that every single state of energy takes on an observable when it has been measured (observed). The created "universe" demands an observer beyond it to keep its identity/state.

But, one can be beyond creation - a different dimension of existence that is tangent to, or encircled the dimensions of creation.


Either way, there is something greater than "us" in our "state".

 

[lsume]

On Day One, God created earth. Then God said "Let There Be Light". I think it is obvious that the first light in the Universe was, what scientist refer to as, 'The Big Bang'. Earth was created first, and then the Big Bang was Commanded by God to come into existence.

Earth does not come into our sun's orbit till day four of Creation. So the conclusion is, that earth is getting it's light from the Big Bang, on Creation days one through part of day four. It is on day four that earth enters into orbit around our sun, and thus 24 hour day and night, month, and year, cycles, begin.

What is interesting is that plant life is already created on day three, before we have our sun.

As I have already explained in other posts: Using Time Dilation, Billions of years of Star Formation Can Occur in Six Days. It is scientifically allowable to get a young earth, from its origin, of before God creates light (The Big Bang), to the day Adam was made, in six 24 hour days, using scientifically proven Time Dilation. However, as for days one through part of day four, days are not locked into a 24 hour period yet. Depending on just how fast, or in this case, how slow, earth is rotating, days could even be tens of millions of, 'present day years', long, on day one through four, of Creation.

Lets discuss this.

Genesis 1:1 The Story of Creation.

Day One
In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was without form or shape, with darkness over the abyss and a mighty wind sweeping over the waters—

Then God said: Let there be light, and there was light.

God saw that the light was good. God then separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” Evening came, and morning followed—the first day.

Day Three
Then God said: Let the earth bring forth vegetation: every kind of plant that bears seed and every kind of fruit tree on earth that bears fruit with its seed in it. And so it happened: the earth brought forth vegetation: every kind of plant that bears seed and every kind of fruit tree that bears fruit with its seed in it. God saw that it was good. Evening came, and morning followed—the third day.
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Day Four
Then God said: Let there be lights in the dome of the sky, to separate day from night. Let them mark the seasons, the days and the years, and serve as lights in the dome of the sky, to illuminate the earth. And so it happened: God made the two great lights, the greater one to govern the day, and the lesser one to govern the night, and the stars.

God set them in the dome of the sky, to illuminate the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. God saw that it was good. Evening came, and morning followed—the fourth day.​

I read The Science of God many years ago. His postulate also developed an equation for time relative to the mass and velocity of the early universe. However, evolution simply does not add up for many reasons. Having an engineering degree afforded me the opportunity to do a fair amount of research over my career. If you begin to understand the complexity of life and the laws of thermodynamics, it’s impossible to form life through an evolutionary process. Sometime around 1980 as I recall, there was a published article that stated that 80% of biologists did not believe in evolution. That number has probably been turned upside down. I somewhat recently read some of an article that placed the odds of spontaneous life occurring at somewhere around 1 in 10 to the 40,000th power. That’s a number that is bigger than anything I can think of currently. If you have studied at university the life sciences, you probably now believe in evolution. However, there is no supporting evidence to support that. There should be huge piles of species jumps in the fossil record. There are no missing links yet found. The so-called Lucy of National Geographic fame is not human and is of a species unique to itself and perhaps others. The genome is vast and adaptability is built into our original design. Only God could come up with such a design. Men can mess with the building blocks of life to his own detriment.

 

[dad]

Also, it is a postulate of quantum mechanics that every single state of energy takes on an observable when it has been measured (observed). The created "universe" demands an observer beyond it to keep its identity/state.

? Based on..what..do you make this claim? If all men died the the sun would not exist because no one saw it?! You seem to be misunderstanding QM.

But, one can be beyond creation - a different dimension of existence that is tangent to, or encircled the dimensions of creation.

? Whens the last time you were 'beyond creation'?

Either way, there is something greater than "us"

True, but that does not mean the universe ceases to exist if you do not look at it.

 

[Kaon]

? Based on..what..do you make this claim? If all men died the the sun would not exist because no one saw it?! You seem to be misunderstanding QM.
? Whens the last time you were 'beyond creation'?

The Most High God is beyond Creation.

One of the foundational principles of quantum mechanics is that all probablistic wavefunctions exist all at the same time until it can be observed. It is an eigenvalue problem - we take an operator (like position or momentum) over a field of states, and, based on what our observable is (eigenvalue), we can determine the strength of our observation to expect in nature.

Schrodinger's cat is usally invoked when describing this:

Place a cat in a box with poisonous gas in one tank, and regular air in another. Set up the circuit so that the switch allowing either source of gas into the box is randomly turned on.

Until someone opens the box, the cat is both dead and alive in equal probability. Only when an observation is made do the wavefunctions describing the cat's state COLLAPSE into either 100% "dead", or 100% "alive".
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Now, this assumes many different conditions, and Schrodinger's Cat is a boundary problem, but this is the postulate of QM that demands we use statistics as well as algebra to describe states and systems.

Philosophy preceded quantum mechanics: a tree both makes no sound at all, and all sound possible at any given time, in a linear combination of statistically existent states - until something observes it. That is the real answer according to quantum mechanics. Luckily, we have several "higher" entities that have observed creation almost since the beginning - and we have One who has been since the beginning. He keeps things in their order as The Observer Himself; if all entities in the Creation die, everything Created would exist because He created it.

Creation itself is the statistically most probable state. To "create" sound, angels, planets, etc. is to make a definitive, measurable observation - a full collapse of wavefunction(s) with positive definite probability.

True, but that does not mean the universe ceases to exist if you do not look at it.

This is why academia will never go higher unless it looks to antiquity and juxtapositions faith with science - magic, in other words. You have to understand that there is something much further beyond you keeping things in order - or else you will make the foolish assumption you(r kind) is keeping Creation you did not create in its state. And, you will be confused by very simple magic further QM applications that explain can better explain the nature of our physical world as we know it. You get stuck at QFT, for example, as the "best we can do" extension for explaining the past relativity and QM misunderstandings.

 

[dad]

The Most High God is beyond Creation.

Great, one would hope so. Just as you are above a week's work.

One of the foundational principles of quantum mechanics is that all probablistic wavefunctions exist all at the same time until it can be observed.

The observations are only here on earth and area, and in this present time, and observed by sinful men. Basically, sinners do not control nature, but Jesus and even Adam did. Whatever possibilities and probabilities exist are far beyond your powers or perception to know.

It is an eigenvalue problem - we take an operator (like position or momentum) over a field of states, and, based on what our observable is (eigenvalue), we can determine the strength of our observation to expect in nature.

Not really. Any vector observed in the solar system and area (fishbowl) does not translate for the far universe. You are simply messing around with the fishbowl optics.

Schrodinger's cat is usally invoked when describing this:

Place a cat in a box with poisonous gas in one tank, and regular air in another. Set up the circuit so that the switch allowing either source of gas into the box is randomly turned on.

Until someone opens the box, the cat is both dead and alive in equal probability. Only when an observation is made do the wavefunctions describing the cat's state COLLAPSE into either 100% "dead", or 100% "alive".​

A cat is not a photon. God watches over man, so nothing is random, it just seems that way to the sinful fishbowl observer who does not see the big picture.

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Now, this assumes many different conditions, and Schrodinger's Cat is a boundary problem, but this is the postulate of QM that demands we use statistics as well as algebra to describe states and systems.

Waste of time. You need to include God or all probabilities are not known or knowable.

Philosophy preceded quantum mechanics: a tree both makes no sound at all, and all sound possible at any given time, in a linear combination of statistically existent states - until something observes it.

False. A tree makes the sound it makes whether you are there to hear it or not. The universe does not exist just for you alone. We cannot limit all that exists or could exist to what you may observed. Sorry.

That is the real answer according to quantum mechanics. Luckily, we have several "higher" entities that have observed creation almost since the beginning - and we have One who has been since the beginning. He keeps things in their order as The Observer Himself; if all entities in the Creation die, everything Created would exist because He created it.

Nah. He also created innumerable angels and man, and heaven knows what else. Lots of observers, not many of which you can see or know about.

Creation itself is the statistically most probable state. To "create" sound, angels, planets, etc. is to make a definitive, measurable observation - a full collapse of wavefunction(s) with positive definite probability.

Nah. Fishbowl residents are in no position to declare what is probable.

 

[Kaon]

Great, one would hope so. Just as you are above a week's work.


The observations are only here on earth and area, and in this present time, and observed by sinful men. Basically, sinners do not control nature, but Jesus and even Adam did. Whatever possibilities and probabilities exist are far beyond your powers or perception to know.


Not really. Any vector observed in the solar system and area (fishbowl) does not translate for the far universe. You are simply messing around with the fishbowl optics.

A cat is not a photon. God watches over man, so nothing is random, it just seems that way to the sinful fishbowl observer who does not see the big picture.



Waste of time. You need to include God or all probabilities are not known or knowable.

False. A tree makes the sound it makes whether you are there to hear it or not. The universe does not exist just for you alone. We cannot limit all that exists or could exist to what you may observed. Sorry.
Nah. He also created innumerable angels and man, and heaven knows what else. Lots of observers, not many of which you can see or know about.


Nah. Fishbowl residents are in no position to declare what is probable.

You are completely missing what I am saying, i believe, about... everything.

1. QM is about the eigenvalues problem

H|n> = E|n>

That E is the energy, but it doesn't stop there. E is an observable that is mathematically guaranteed to show up - the expectation value of getting energy E when an operator H acts on a state. That |n> state is a vector that represents the sum of all probabilities of the states possible for the measurement. For LIFE AND DEATH, you have two states: dead or alive. For electrons, generally there are two spins states that bound us:

Spin up: |1>
Spin down: |0>

The electron exists as some combination of the two states

|n> = a|0> + b|1>.

The constants a and b are probability coefficients, and

a^2 + b^2 = 1.

So, until there is an observer to actually state the state, the probability of the state existing in all possible states is the same until you can "snapshot" the behavior and observe it. Is it moving? What was the energy at time t?

2. The other thing is I think you missed where I explain how this Observer is all that is needed, despite the fact there are plenty of observers/witnesses besides The Most High God. He made the boundaries of quantum mechanics so we can be witness to the order within the apparent disorder - to be assured there is, in fact, someone watching and observing outside of creation itself.

 

[dad]

You are completely missing what I am saying, i believe, about... everything.

1. QM is about the eigenvalues problem

H|n> = E|n>

That E is the energy, but it doesn't stop there. E is an observable that is mathematically guaranteed to show up -

Energy is only observed here and now. Not in the far universe or the future.

the expectation value of getting energy E when an operator H acts on a state. That |n> state is a vector that represents the sum of all probabilities of the states possible for the measurement.

No it is not since only God knows the possibilities. What we have is flexibility so that, if we are right with His will, things can adapt accordingly.

For LIFE AND DEATH, you have two states: dead or alive. For electrons, generally there are two spins states that bound us:

Nope. Christians sleep when they 'die' in body, and go to be with God.

Spin up: |1>
Spin down: |0>

The electron exists as some combination of the two states

|n> = a|0> + b|1>.

The constants a and b are probability coefficients, and

a^2 + b^2 = 1.

So, until there is an observer to actually state the state, the probability of the state existing in all possible states is the same until you can "snapshot" the behavior and observe it. Is it moving? What was the energy at time t?

No. You just have a limited perspective and part of the big picture.

2. The other thing is I think you missed where I explain how this Observer is all that is needed, despite the fact there are plenty of observers/witnesses besides The Most High God. He made the boundaries of quantum mechanics so we can be witness to the order within the apparent disorder - to be assured there is, in fact, someone watching and observing outside of creation itself.

Says you. Maybe there is actually far more involved than you thought.

 

[StevenMerten]

Since we know that there are fallen angels out in space, and that angels also have traversed the universe. Therefore, why would we think the universe only exists if man looks at it?

Hello dad,
Do you believe in the Apostles Creed, Nicene Creed and the Bible? They state that 'In the beginning God Created the heavens and the earth. 'Heavens' meaning angels and everything spiritual other than God. Earth and the spiritual realm came into existence at the same time. As Earth was popping into existence, 'In the Beginning' of Creation, so was the spiritual realm. Do we agree on this?

PART ONE
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH

SECTION TWO
THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

CHAPTER ONE
I BELIEVE IN GOD THE FATHER

ARTICLE I
"I BELIEVE IN GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY, CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH"

Paragraph 5. Heaven and Earth

325 The Apostles' Creed professes that God is "creator of heaven and earth". The Nicene Creed makes it explicit that this profession includes "all that is, seen and unseen".

326 The Scriptural expression "heaven and earth" means all that exists, creation in its entirety. It also indicates the bond, deep within creation, that both unites heaven and earth and distinguishes the one from the other: "the earth" is the world of men, while "heaven" or "the heavens" can designate both the firmament and God's own "place" - "our Father in heaven" and consequently the "heaven" too which is eschatological glory. Finally, "heaven" refers to the saints and the "place" of the spiritual creatures, the angels, who surround God.186

327 The profession of faith of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) affirms that God "from the beginning of time made at once (simul) out of nothing both orders of creatures, the spiritual and the corporeal, that is, the angelic and the earthly, and then (deinde) the human creature, who as it were shares in both orders, being composed of spirit and body."187

I. THE ANGELS

The existence of angels - a truth of faith

328 The existence of the spiritual, non-corporeal beings that Sacred Scripture usually calls "angels" is a truth of faith. The witness of Scripture is as clear as the unanimity of Tradition.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - Heaven and Earth​

 

[dad]

Hello dad,
Do you believe in the Apostles Creed, Nicene Creed and the Bible? They state that 'In the beginning God Created the heavens and the earth. 'Heavens' meaning angels and everything spiritual other than God.

Yes God created it all.

Earth and the spiritual realm came into existence at the same time.

Says who? Since God is a spirit He was here already.

As Earth was popping into existence, 'In the Beginning' of Creation, so was the spiritual realm. Do we agree on this?

No.

Hopefully you realize the big bang could never fulfill the creation recorded in Genesis.

 

[StevenMerten]

Hopefully you realize the big bang could never fulfill the creation recorded in Genesis.

The Big Bang
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Genesis 1:1 The Story of Creation.

Creation Day One
In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was without form or shape, with darkness over the abyss and a mighty wind sweeping over the waters—

Then God said: Let there be light, and there was light.​

 

[dad]

The Big Bang
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Genesis 1:1 The Story of Creation.

Creation Day One
In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was without form or shape, with darkness over the abyss and a mighty wind sweeping over the waters—

Then God said: Let there be light, and there was light.​

The earth WAS.. the big bang says the earth was NOT. Any more questions?

 

[StevenMerten]

The earth WAS.. the big bang says the earth was NOT. Any more questions?

During the 'big bang', the mass of one septillion stars suddenly popped into existence and exploded into our universe. The exploding 'bib bang' gave off a tremendous first light. It was the first light of the universe. God tells us that earth was Created before the 'big bang', first light of the universe. How would a cosmologist know if there was a tiny earth, before the big bang, or not? They cannot. We, who believe in God's Word, know that earth already existed before the, 'Let There Be Light!', went off, giving the universe its first light.

 

[dad]

During the 'big bang', the mass of one septillion stars suddenly popped into existence and exploded into our universe. The exploding 'bib bang' gave off a tremendous first light. It was the first light of the universe. God tells us that earth was Created before the 'big bang', first light of the universe.

He was the light and He was here creating, so to credit some fable with giving the light is nothing more or less than unbelief. The day stars were created was after the earth was created..period.

How would a cosmologist know if there was a tiny earth, before the big bang, or not?

So you do not agree with science then or the bible. Fine. Science has the solar system and earth long after the BB. Maybe you should learn your own fable.

They cannot. We, who believe in God's Word, know that earth already existed before the, 'Let There Be Light!', went off, giving the universe its first light.

That makes sense, you pick and choose when a day or a morning or evening is a day or morning or evening, and you pick and chose what to accept from the BB fable. All science and the Almighty needs to check in with you first to see what is true. Get serious.

 

[jerry kelso]

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stevemerten,

1. Isaiah 14:12 addresses Lucifer not the earthly King of Babylon.
The earthly KoB has never been in Heaven literally or has never been kicked out of Heaven down to earth.
Ezekiel 28:15; the earthly KoB was never literally perfect in his ways or created till sin was found in him for he was born and born into sin.
This is the law of double reference; one natural and the other supernatural. Matthew 16:23 is the same with Peter addressed as Satan which he was not. Satan is the supernatural and Peter the natural.

2. Revelation 12:5; the man child is Christ in a historical context.
However, this is happening in real time and the Manchild is the 144,000 Jews Revelation 7; protected through the trumpet judgements; Revelation 9:4 and raptured in Revelation 12:5 and found in Heaven and before God’s throne in Revelation 14.
Also Revelation 12:14 is in the middle of the tribulation because of the times and times and a half which is 1260 or 3.5 years which is the time of Jacobs trouble Jeremiah 30:7, Daniel 12:1, and Matthew 24:21.
The seals, trumpets and vials are consecutive.
Revelation 11:15 are great voices in Heaven saying the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ and we shall reign forever which happens at the second advent but does not come to fruition till 3.5 years later.
This is the same as the mystery of the church in Ephesians 2:14-16.
It was official at the cross but not fulfilled till Acts 10 in the vision of the clean and unclean and further brought out by Paul in the Ephesians passage.

3. Isaiah 27:13 and Matthew 24:29-31 do happen at the second advent but is not the 7th trumpet of Revelation 11:15.
This trumpet is to gather the Jewish elect not the church and Heavenly saints Revelation 19:11-15.

4. Lucifer is not a neutral term when it comes to context.
I have already explained the biblical hermeneutics for Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28, etc.

5. Isaiah 24-27 go together in context. This context is about the bad part of Judah in vs. 1-12. Vs. 13-15 is the remnant and the rest is what happens to things on earth till Christ comes back so Israel can fulfill their covenants of Abraham and David; 1 Chronicles 28:1-7; 2 Samuel 7:13-16: Isaiah 2;2-4; 9:6-7; Ezekiel 37:16-28.

6. We both agree of the second advent being for the reason in Revelation 11:15.
Selah. Jerry Kelso

 

[jerry kelso]

Hello Jerry,
So lets get back to talking about God's Creation.

Neils Bohr
"It is meaningless to assign Reality to the universe in the absence of observation; in the intervals between measurement, quantum systems truly exist as a fuzzy mixture of all possible properties (science labels this, 'a superposition of states')."

Neils Bohr (Chance) replies,
"Nor is it our business to prescribe to God how He should run the world."​

Scientific proof still stands, that we live in a 'Peek a Boo' universe which means a universe which only exists when a conscious observer, meaning man (Adam) is looking at it. Even after 100 years of atheist scientists desperately trying to prove, this scientifically proven science, wrong.

Neils Bohr is the scientist who developed the theory of electron rings on the atom. Neils Bohr also pushed 'Quantum Theory' aka 'Quantum Mechanics' into acceptance, 100 years ago. Neils Bohr's Quantum Mechanics is the accepted theory on subatomic particles, in the scientific world today.

Neils Bohr, and his 'Quantum Mechanics', states that there is no universe, without conscious man (Adam), to observe the universe. Please watch the following PBS video which explains that Neils Bohr's, 'Peek a Boo' universe, is still, after 100 years, the winner in proven science.

I do not know if Neils Bohr was a Christian. However, Neils Bohr certainly is a Creationist, in my eyes. No universe, without conscious observers, meaning Adam-kind, to observe it, certainly is the Creationist stand. Plus five previous days before Adam, thousands of years ago on the week Adam was made, according to God's Word.

Creationism = Quantum Mechanics = Neils Bohr VS. Albert Einstein = Realism = Atheism
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1. The opening statement by Neil Bohr is a scientific answer such as if a tree falls in the forest did it make a sound? Their answer is no sound unless a human being hears it. Peek a boo, atheist fools.

2. We don’t prescribe to God how to run the world for we are finite. But he has given us his word to know certain things of how he runs it.

3. The earth’s original creation in the beginning was when Lucifer ruled the earth Ezekiel 28:15-19.
Adams creation was a recreation Hebrews 11:3.
The time between original creation Genesis 1:1 and judgement Genesis 1:2 which happened in the Luciferian kingdom on earth the Garden of Eden Ezekiel 28:15-19 and the recreation Genesis 1:3. Jerry Kelso

 

[Sound Doctrine]

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
This means in the beginning time had not yet been established. All was dark in the earth.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Time is now created, and the first day is a 24-hour day. God's light shined on the earth because there is not yet any other source of light. The earth was rotating to allow for one side to be light for 12 hours and the other to be dark for 12 hours.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
The second 24-hour day has passed. The firmament is the land, but the waters were covered with the firmament, which is called heaven.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
The third 24-hour day has passed. God created the dry land and planted it.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
The fourth 24-hour day has passed. God made the sun, the moon, and the stars to shine in the heaven firmament (universe). The glory of God no longer shined on the earth, but the sun, moon, and stars do. The days are still 24 hours long. Everything is already in its place in the universe, and in motion also. There is no Big Bang. The light from the stars are already made to reach the earth as God makes the stars. We observe their movement picking up from where God left off, plus the number of years since that happened. A Big Bang would likely have been mentioned in the Bible if it were so because it is such a conflagration of great proportions. There is no inkling of a Big Bang.

After this, God continues to create the animals, etc. over the remaining two days, then rests on the seventh day. There is no mention from the first day to the seventh that time is changed. Time is 24 hours since after "In the beginning." In the beginning, time was not yet created by God. That occurred when He said, "Let there be light." Time has been that way ever since, first by the light of God as the earth rotated, then by the lights of the sun, moon, and stars.

Where it is light on one side of the earth, it is dark on the other. The time for light to go and dark to enter and then light return again is a 24-hour period. It does not matter which direction and speed the stars are moving because God had their beams of light reaching the earth and He created them. This is what we observe with Doppler effect, perturbations, etc., and not as the result of a man-made idea of a Big Bang, where no belief in God is necessary. Of course, there is such an intelligence to the entire creation, that it is pure stupidity to not believe that God (or a god) created this from outside our physical realm. Believe the Bible as it stands and do not mix man's foolish notions with it.

 

[Sound Doctrine]

Here is an afterthought. The earth is older than the rest of the universe, at least 6,000 years old. Before time, in the beginning, we can't measure age, so to our knowledge according to Scripture, we can't know exactly how old the earth is, but it was in the universal space before the sun, moon, and stars. A Big Bang would have destroyed it.

 

[StevenMerten]

Genesis 1:1 The Story of Creation.

Day One
In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was without form or shape, with darkness over the abyss and a mighty wind sweeping over the waters—

Then God said: Let there be light, and there was light.

God saw that the light was good. God then separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” Evening came, and morning followed—the first day.

Day Two
Evening came, and morning followed—the second day.

Day Three
Evening came, and morning followed—the third day.

Day Four
Then God said: Let there be lights in the dome of the sky, to separate day from night. Let them mark the seasons, the days and the years, and serve as lights in the dome of the sky, to illuminate the earth. And so it happened: God made the two great lights, the greater one to govern the day, and the lesser one to govern the night, and the stars. God set them in the dome of the sky, to illuminate the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. God saw that it was good. Evening came, and morning followed—the fourth day.
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The sequence of God's Creation of our universe according to God in Genesis.

1: God Creates physical earth. Creation Day One

2: Then God Creates physical light. Creation Day One.

3: God Separates physical light on earth. Light God names 'Day', Dark God names 'night'. Creation Day One.

4: Three physical light 'Days' and physical dark 'Nights' go by. Creation Day One, Creation Day Two, Creation Day Three.

5: On Creation Day Four, God Creates the sun, stars and moon, to "mark the days and years", and "to illuminate earth".

The Big Bang

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