Proof: You were only forgiven of your past sins!

[guevaraj]

I know you are trying to helpful, but this woman was a deluded fanatic, so I do not pay attention to her teaching, it is false.

I read that she preached that there is no hell. And a woman who claims to have visited hell says that she saw Ellen White there.

Brothers, our prophetess helped us to go back to the Bible. The Protestant reformation did not question the Sunday tradition that replaces the Sabbath of God. As Jesus pointed out, even the Jews were making their own traditions that contradicted the word of God, but unlike the Jews who preserve the ten commandments as a valuable gift of God to this day exposing sin in us, our parent Roman apostate church embraced human traditions above God’s word to the point of trying to change God’s ten commandments to remove the second and change the wording of the fourth and tenth command to replace God’s true Sabbath with a tradition standing in place of God’s command.

Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. (Exodus 20:8-11 NIV)​

Replaced with something less clear that is not opposed to their Sunday tradition.

Remember to keep holy the LORD'S Day. (many words edited away by our parent church)​

By splitting the tenth command into two, they bring the count back to ten so that is not obvious from the counting of the commands that they have removed the second entirely. The Jews worship the law as a valued gift from God that exposes sin in us and would never think to change it, that is an act of a deceiving enemy of God’s way. God never wanted a human king like the pope over His church, God sent the Holy Spirit as our always present king, having direct access to each one of us all the time. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

It is an incredible shame that ... you have NO comprehension of what repentance is all about.
Here's an example of what godly repentance can do, and will do, for BACs ...

2 Corinthians 7 (NKJV):
8 For even if I made you sorry with my letter (1 Corinthians), I do not regret it; though I did regret it. For I perceive that the same epistle made you sorry, though only for a while.
9 Now I rejoice, not that you were made sorry, but that your sorrow led to repentance. For you were made sorry in a godly manner, that you might suffer loss from us in nothing.
10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the
world produces death.

Are you also claiming you are sinless???

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

Accusations without proof are probably against the rules here, so stop it.


The first few verses of Ro 7 clearly show that it is speaking of a former time. Verse 5..."For when we WERE in the flesh..."
The entire middle of Ro 7 is about Paul's former life as a Pharisee; trying to live the Mosaic Law, but failing. And again, a reference to the past in verse 18; (“that is, in my flesh”).
And the end, especially verse 23; "But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to THE LAW OF SIN which is in my members."...points again to a former time. Because....
we read in Romans 8:2...."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from THE LAW OF SIN and death.
Why would Paul still be subject to something he is free of?
If you could see the truth of Ro 7, and its proximity to Ro 6, which speaks of baptism and the death of the flesh, you would see that Paul is making the past-present transition, and Ro 8 continues on into the life walked in the Spirit.

It is brilliant.

You do not understand those chapters in Romans.
Your posts are the proof
Paul is a Christian in all three chapters.
Paul instructs Christian's of an ongoing struggle with remaining sin.

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

Accusations without proof are probably against the rules here, so stop it.


The first few verses of Ro 7 clearly show that it is speaking of a former time. Verse 5..."For when we WERE in the flesh..."
The entire middle of Ro 7 is about Paul's former life as a Pharisee; trying to live the Mosaic Law, but failing. And again, a reference to the past in verse 18; (“that is, in my flesh”).
And the end, especially verse 23; "But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to THE LAW OF SIN which is in my members."...points again to a former time. Because....
we read in Romans 8:2...."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from THE LAW OF SIN and death.
Why would Paul still be subject to something he is free of?
If you could see the truth of Ro 7, and its proximity to Ro 6, which speaks of baptism and the death of the flesh, you would see that Paul is making the past-present transition, and Ro 8 continues on into the life walked in the Spirit.

It is brilliant.

Paul is a Christian in Roman's 7
Paul instructs all Christian's to mortify remaining sin in Roman's 8.
You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[BCsenior]

Brothers, our prophetess helped us to go back to the Bible.

BCsenior:
I read that she preached that there is no hell.

Did she preach against hell, or not?
we're depending on you to give an honest answer.

News Flash: There have always been,
and there always will be, false prophetesses.
Ditto for false prophets.

 

[BCsenior]

Are you also claiming you are sinless???

Repeating for what seems like one million times:

Sincere repentance removes our sin(s),
cleanses us of them,
washes them away in Jesus' blood, etc.

Isn't that wonderful? YES or NO?

 

[Phil W]

You do not understand those chapters in Romans.
Your posts are the proof
Paul is a Christian in all three chapters.
Paul instructs Christian's of an ongoing struggle with remaining sin.

Paul is indeed a Christian writing all of Romans, but in Rom. 7 he is narrating his past struggles while still in the flesh. Failing as a Jew working to find his righteousness by the law.
He isn't in the flesh anymore, as he wrote in Rom. 6, that the flesh was killed at its baptism into Christ's death, buried with Christ, and raised with Christ to walk in NEWNESS of life. (Rom 6:3-6)
The results..."For he that is dead is freed from sin." (Rom 6:7)

 

[Phil W]

Paul is a Christian in Roman's 7
Paul instructs all Christian's to mortify remaining sin in Roman's 8.
You have no idea what you are talking about.

Romans 7 is a transition point between "flesh" and "Spirit".
Rom 6 is about the death and burial of the old man, and the resurrection with Christ of the new man.
Rom 8 is of our walk in the Spirit.

 

[Phil W]

Repeating for what seems like one million times:
Sincere repentance removes our sin(s),
cleanses us of them,
washes them away in Jesus' blood, etc.

Do you have a scripture or two for that opinion?

 

[BCsenior]

Do you have a scripture or two for that opinion?

1 John 1:7-9
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

2 Corinthians 7:8-10
8 For even if I made you sorry with my letter (1 Corinthians), I do not regret it; though I did regret it. For I perceive that the same epistle made you sorry, though only for a while.
9 Now I rejoice, not that you were made sorry, but that your sorrow led to repentance. For you were made sorry in a godly manner, that you might suffer loss from us in nothing.
10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.

 

[Blade]

From what I read and understand is sacrifices in the OT provided a temporary covering of sins. Just a foreshadow of what was coming through Christ. Whats comes to mind by the Spirit of God is John "behold the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world".

Our Brother Paul was telling Jewish people that were saved.. when the sinned they would try to go back and offer up some sacrifice for that sin. And he told them.. Can Christ die again? There is no more sacrifice for sin. This lamb took away the SINS not sin.. but SINS of the world. Christ said.. I didnt come to condemn the world but to save it.

Christ again tell us that He has to leave so the Holy Spirit can come. And what does this Holy Spirit do? Condemn just man of sins? Nope...but of SIN...just one sin. That the world does not know Him. Again Paul tells us what I want to do I dont do.. what I don't want to do I do. Then says .. its no longer I that sin but sin that is in me. Then John.. if we say we have no sin.. we deceive our selfs and the truth is not in us.

So.. what was born again or born from above? New spirit? So.. whats the words say? That which is BORN OF GOD does not sin. Amen.. it can't. Some are looking at this through the eyes of flesh. What was born again? Your flesh? No.. the flesh has not been changed YET! When He comes.. we will see Him as He is and we will be changed and be like Him.

As I look above to the post "slave to sin which leads to death". Well I notice a word that I cant find written. "eternal" <---that was added by man. See if we read the word we find God telling us.. that the wages of SIN is death. Saved or sinner.. if you sin in this world it will bring death. And NO SIN will enter heaven.

This just gets so silly.. if SIN keeps you out of heaven.. then ALL were are will be lost. You really believe every believer that died REPENTED of all there sins? Be foolish to say yes. SIN does not will not keep you out of heaven.. people post what John said.. if you say you have no sin you deceive your self and the truth is not in you.

Dont let ANY MAN tell you what GOD said. For JESUS is real. YOU follow HIM not what anyone here says or me. His word was not written by mans own interpretation. If you now are scared by what some MAN said.....one fear is not of God.. He can not use something that is not of him... Jesus died for all your sins you every will do.. ask HIM

 

[BCsenior]

Jesus died for all your sins you ever will do

Yes, of course, He died for ALL of our sins!

He died for our past sins (before being a BAC).

He died for our present sins that we repent of.

He died for our future sins
-- that we will NOT commit ...
because we refuse to do them.
-- that we will actually DO, and then repent of.

Quite a few NT verses teach us that ...
Jesus came to FREE us from the bondage of sin.
He came to FREE us ... so we don't HAVE to sin!

Jesus did this by giving us a new nature,
by giving us the indwelling Holy Spirit,
by giving us the whole word of God,
by defeating Satan and his hold on us.

 

[guevaraj]

BCsenior: I read that she preached that there is no hell. Did she preach against hell, or not? we're depending on you to give an honest answer. News Flash: There have always been, and there always will be, false prophetesses. Ditto for false prophets.

Brother, she has shown me, her inspiration is above the traditions of the church. Every time I question something, it is the church that is wrong and she is in harmony with the Bible. That shows me that her inspiration is the same inspiration that gave us the Bible. She believed in hell as revealed in the Bible, but not as some who teach “the doctrine” of living in eternal torture. You may be referring to the following quote from her writings.

How repugnant to every emotion of love and mercy, and even to our sense of justice, is the doctrine that the wicked dead are tormented with fire and brimstone in an eternally burning hell; that for the sins of a brief, earthly life they are to suffer torture as long as God shall live. (The Great Controversy, page 535)​

Those who are not saved will return to the dust as if they had never been, and will not live in torture forever. What will remain tormented forever are their atoms within the magma layer of the earth beneath the new crust after being thrown into the lake of fire, which is the second death. Hell is a future event in which all things are renewed by turning the earth into a magma furnace, a molten mass, a vast lake of boiling fire, as in the past when water covered the entire surface of the earth in the flood.

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28 NIV)​

“Hell” is the future equivalent to the flood, this time it will be a vast lake of fire where those whose names are not found in the book of life will be thrown. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Phil W]

1 John 1:7-9
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

2 Corinthians 7:8-10
8 For even if I made you sorry with my letter (1 Corinthians), I do not regret it; though I did regret it. For I perceive that the same epistle made you sorry, though only for a while.
9 Now I rejoice, not that you were made sorry, but that your sorrow led to repentance. For you were made sorry in a godly manner, that you might suffer loss from us in nothing.
10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.

Here is what we are talking about...
You posted..."Sincere repentance removes our sin(s),
cleanses us of them,
washes them away in Jesus' blood, etc."
I see no mention in your kindly supplied scriptures of repentance washing anything away.
1 John 1:9 is the first step toward that which does wash way our past sins..."baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins." (Acts 2:38)
John the Baptist also hosted those who confessed their sins...before being baptized in Matt 3:6 and Mark 1:5.
It is the baptism that washes away sins, not confession.
In 2 Cor 7 we see again no mention of repentance washing away sin, but it's being a "step" toward salvation.

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

Paul is indeed a Christian writing all of Romans, but in Rom. 7 he is narrating his past struggles while still in the flesh. Failing as a Jew working to find his righteousness by the law.
He isn't in the flesh anymore, as he wrote in Rom. 6, that the flesh was killed at its baptism into Christ's death, buried with Christ, and raised with Christ to walk in NEWNESS of life. (Rom 6:3-6)
The results..."For he that is dead is freed from sin." (Rom 6:7)

Wrong...
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

The unsaved do not delight in the law of God at any time

we are still in a body very able to sin, that is why we are commanded to mortify the deeds of the body, it is a struggle ;

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

Romans 7 is a transition point between "flesh" and "Spirit".
Rom 6 is about the death and burial of the old man, and the resurrection with Christ of the new man.
Rom 8 is of our walk in the Spirit.

All three chapters are true of believers at all times.
the reigning power of sin is broken , romans 6, our struggle is seen in 7 and the Spirit to lead us to mortify the deeds of the body 8

 

[BCsenior]

Mary Baker Eddy ...

How repugnant to every emotion of love and mercy, and even to our sense of justice, is the doctrine that the wicked dead are tormented with fire and brimstone in an eternally burning hell; that for the sins of a brief, earthly life they are to suffer torture as long as God shall live. (The Great Controversy, page 535)​

Our feelings are NOT to be the yardstick
with which to judge Almighty God.

I prefer to believe the testimonies of some people who have been shown heaven and hell.

It only makes sense to me that a loving and merciful God would back up what He says in Scripture with more evidence ... confirming evidence!

People who have seen hell testify of the sad
state of those who are there ... some are being tortured as I write. Believers and pastors alike are there with unbelievers!

Hebrews says the disobedient simply prove
their unbelief. Disobedient to what ...
believing the simple gospel? Give me a break!
They are disobedient to Jesus' commandments,
for starters.

 

[Phil W]

Wrong...
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
The unsaved do not delight in the law of God at any time

Didn't you even read the rest of Rom 7?
"BUT" I see another law...
What law?
The law of sin which Paul sees in his members.
This is obviously speaking of a former time, as Rom 8:2 says..."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."
Why do you erroneously suppose Paul is STILL subject to he law of sin after he has been freed from it by law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus ?
Paul is leading us through the transition of his walk in the flesh to his walk in the Spirit using his own experiences for us to follow along.
Kill the flesh. (Rom 6:3)
Bury it. (Rom 6:4)
Be raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:5)
The conclusion wrapped together in Rom 6:6-7..."Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin."

we are still in a body very able to sin, that is why we are commanded to mortify the deeds of the body, it is a struggle ;
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Would you please read the next verses !
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
[/QUOTE]
It surprises me to see you post all the scriptures that refute your POV.
Those in Christ, Christians, are not in the flesh anymore.
We walk in the Spirit...thanks be to God.

 

[Phil W]

All three chapters are true of believers at all times.
the reigning power of sin is broken , romans 6, our struggle is seen in 7 and the Spirit to lead us to mortify the deeds of the body 8

As I have already written, Rom 7 is a transitional chapter, between the death of the flesh in Rom 6 and the walk in the Spirit of Rom 8.

 

[BCsenior]

Those in Christ, Christians, are not in the flesh anymore. We walk in the Spirit...

However, wouldn't you agree that
those "Christians" who practice habitual sin
are no longer walking in the Spirit and
are no longer "in Christ Jesus"!