Can the Church Survive Without God's Word?

Can the church survive without God's word?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 17 43.6%
  • No.

    Votes: 22 56.4%

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73 is a prime number though which still makes it safer than a number that might (even if not always) be mistaken for the devil.

I also added post #778. I just finished updating the post. Please hit refresh on the web page to see my latest update explaining the number 66 even more.
 
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I also added post #778. I just finished updating the post. Please hit refresh on the web page to see my latest update explaining the number 66 even more.

And yet no matter how much it tries, it still cannot reach the status and safety of a prime number.
 
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God's number is clearly 7 in the Bible.
But God relates to man in two unique ways.
In the Incarnation (6), and by
inspiring men via the Holy Ghost to write Scripture (6) (i.e. 66).

This would be 7 + 76 + 76.
The enemy's number is obviously different or distorted variation of this (of which we know about in Revelation 13). The enemy is only a created being. For angels were created. Hence, why the number is 6 three times. The enemy will manifest three times in man. The antichrist, the beast, and the false prophet.
 
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God's number is clearly 7 in the Bible.
But God relates to man in two unique ways.
In the Incarnation (6), and by
inspiring men via the Holy Ghost to write Scripture (6) (i.e. 66).

This would be 766.
The enemy's number is obviously different or distorted variation of this (of which we know about in Revelation 13).

But 73 would then be God's number plus the number of the Trinity and no confusing 6's anywhere to be found should they decide to replicate to 666. And if you use the mod 3 number system and add 7 and 3 together, you get 1, which is unity in Christ.
 
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But 73 would then be God's number plus the number of the Trinity and no confusing 6's anywhere to be found should they decide to replicate to 666. And if you use the mod 3 number system and add 7 and 3 together, you get 1, which is unity in Christ.

One needs God in order to understand the Bible. God's number is 7. So you have to add the number 7 to the 66 equation. Jesus is the image of the invisible God. The invisible God (7) is the invisible missing number. So seeing God is three in one (three 7's), his number in relation to man would be:...

7 + 76 + 76.
(God the Father "7") +
(God the Living Word made flesh "76") +
(God the Holy Ghost working through men to write the Bible "76").​

The invisible number 7 all by itself represents the invisible God represents the Father (the first person of the Trinity); For no man has seen God (the Father) at any time (John 1:17). The next number, 76 is the Incarnation (Son of God, second person of the Trinity). The second 76 is the Holy Ghost inspiring men to write the Bible (third person of the Trinity).
 
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One needs God in order to understand the Bible. God's number is 7. So you have to add the number 7 to the 66 equation. Jesus is the image of the invisible God. The invisible God (7) is the invisible missing number. So it would be:...

7 + 76 + 76.​

The invisible number 7 all by itself represents the invisible God represents the Father (the first person of the Trinity); For no man has seen God (the Father) at any time (John 1:17). The next number, 76 is the Incarnation (Son of God, second person of the Trinity). The second 76 is the Holy Ghost inspiring men to write the Bible (third person of the Trinity).

And yet if we use your invisible number system, we would have 7 + 73 which would then be TWO prime numbers with double the safety and still no risk of being transformed into the number of the beast.
 
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And yet if we use your invisible number system, we would have 7 + 73 which would then be TWO prime numbers with double the safety and still no risk of being transformed into the number of the beast.

While God is invisible, He still exists. The number while invisible is still in existence.
7 + 76 + 76 = 159.
The 159th chapter of the Bible is Deuteronomy 6.
We learn that God is one in this chapter (Deuteronomy 6:4),
and yet we know that Jesus (a pre-incarnate form of Jesus) led the Israelites out of Egypt (Deuteronomy 6:12), and they received the commandments in the scroll of Deuteronomy via the Holy Ghost and were told that it would be their righteousness if they were do all these commandments in Deuteronomy (See Deuteronomy 6:25). Jesus said to the Pharisees that they searched the Scriptures (the Torah). 2 Timothy 3:16 says all Scripture is given by inspiration of God (the Holy Ghost). Moses was a prophet of God and he wrote the five books of Moses via the Holy Ghost. God the Father is obviously implied in the whole of Deuteronomy 6. For the commandments come from God the Father and are written down by the Holy Ghost via Moses. So we can see the Trinity in Deuteronomy 6. We even see three ways of how we are to love God in this chapter, as well. Three in one. The beautiful Trinity.
 
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While God is invisible, He still exists. The number while invisible is still in existence.
7 + 76 + 76 = 159.
The 159th chapter of the Bible is Deuteronomy 6.
We learn that God is one in this chapter (Deuteronomy 6:4),
and yet we know that Jesus (a pre-incarnate form of Jesus) led the Israelites out of Egypt (Deuteronomy 6:12), and they received the commandments in Deuteronomy via the Holy Ghost and were told that it would be their righteousness if they were do all these commandments in Deuteronomy (See Deuteronomy 6:25). Jesus said to the Pharisees that they searched the Scriptures (the Torah). 2 Timothy 3:16 says all Scripture is given by inspiration of God (the Holy Ghost). Moses was a prophet of God and he wrote the five books of Moses via the Holy Ghost. God the Father is obviously implied in the whole of Deuteronomy 6. For the commandments come from God the Father and are written down by the Holy Ghost via Moses. So we can see the Trinity in Deuteronomy 6. We even see three ways of how we are to love God in this chapter, as well. Three in one.

And yet if we combine 7 and 73 to 773, it is even still a prime number with a meaning of God in both (because of the two 7's) the heavens above and the earth below in perfect Trinity. No devil number confusion at all!
 
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And yet if we combine 7 and 73 to 773, it is even still a prime number with a meaning of God in both (because of the two 7's) the heavens above and the earth below in perfect Trinity. No devil number confusion at all!

But it cannot be 73 because the apocryphal books clearly teach false things. So while it may be a nice and pretty number, we do not look to a number alone to determine the truth.
 
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Don't let those devil number 6's deceive you into confusion!

Don't let a number alone deceive you. We know the truth more than by numbers alone. We believe what the Bible says.
 
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Don't let a number alone deceive you. We know the truth more than by numbers alone. We believe what the Bible says.

Not all Bibles qualify for the 73 stamp of approval!
 
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Not all Bibles qualify for the 73 stamp of approval!

If the count was 73, it would be more like a rubber stamp because the Bible does not teach that we can pray to (or for) the dead.
 
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If the count was 73, it would be more like a rubber stamp because the Bible does not teach that we can pray to (or for) the dead.

Rubber hadn't yet been invented.
 
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Martin Luther (1483–1546) moved seven Old-Testament books (Tobit, Judith, 1-2 Maccabees, Book of Wisdom, Sirach, and Baruch) into a section he called the Apocrypha. To refer to these books without calling them "apocrypha," Catholic and Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox later referred to them as the Deuterocanonicals—while still accepting their full canonicity.

Luther removed the books of Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation from the canon (partially because they were perceived to go against certain Protestant doctrines such as sola scriptura and sola fide), but this was not generally accepted among his followers. However, these books are ordered last in the German-language Luther Bible to this day.​

The Western Canon (as accepted by the RCC) appears to have formal council authority from the 4th century. In 330 when Constantine ordered that fifty copies of the whole bible be created this would have been at least 72 books, the one in doubt being Revelation at that stage the East was not sure that Revelation belonged, until about a century later. In the 390's the Synod of Hippo Regis and the Council of Carthage both provided canons that conformed to the text later affirmed by the Council of Trent.

I don't actually care about the number of books. I care that exclusion from the canon based on what was understood to be the correct theological position is difficult or at least fraught. Luther may well have thought the Epistle of James was a right epistle of straw, none the less it has a place in the canon.

On the one hand if we take the position that the Bible is our authority, and then we remove from it certain books because they don't fit our position, does that mean that we are giving the Bible the authority or that we are having authority over the Bible?

Psalm 137:9
Happy shall he be who takes your little ones :
and dashes them against the stones.​

This is from the canon of scripture we all accept, though I have noticed a tendency to cut the psalm short at the end of verse 6 when it is being used in public worship. In a sense I understand why we would do that, yet here is part of the canon we all accept, yet to understand this we need to understand the context of the depths of despair in captivity. To me it reminds us that God is with us on the good days and on the bad days, and I don't have to pretend that all days are good days with my instant smiling christian toothpaste, but I am allowed/need to be real and know that God is with me even when it is hard to recognise that reality.
 
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Rubber hadn't yet been invented.

The word "stamp" did not exist until the 14th century. That does not mean we cannot speak of these things using modern language. Anyways, the words "rubber stamp" is merely a figure of speech.
 
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Wisdom of Solomon 16:5-14
For when the terrible rage of wild animals came upon your people and they were being destroyed by the bites of writhing serpents, your wrath did not continue to the end; they were troubled for a little while as a warning, and received a symbol of deliverance to remind them of your law’s command.

For the one who turned towards it was saved, not by the thing that was beheld, but by you, the Saviour of all. And by this also you convinced our enemies that it is you who deliver from every evil. For they were killed by the bites of locusts and flies, and no healing was found for them, because they deserved to be punished by such things. But your children were not conquered even by the fangs of venomous serpents, for your mercy came to their help and healed them. To remind them of your oracles they were bitten, and then were quickly delivered, so that they would not fall into deep forgetfulness and become unresponsive to your kindness. For neither herb nor poultice cured them, but it was your word, O Lord, that heals all people. For you have power over life and death; you lead mortals down to the gates of Hades and back again. A person in wickedness kills another, but cannot bring back the departed spirit, or set free the imprisoned soul.​

If you say that you understand what I am saying but it makes no sense, I suggest to you that either you do not understand what I am saying, or that you choose to discount all views save your own. The Deutero Canonical texts cover more that the matter of prayers for the dead, but since you raise that subject specifically I will make a couple of observations from my perspective. (Anglicans embrace a wide range of opinion so I can not speak for all Anglicans, and so you know I tend to be an Eastward leaning Anglican).

I imagine that we would be in agreement on the matter of Jesus conquering the last enemy, which is death, and that in dying to sin he died once for all that we may walk in newness of life. If I may pray for my friend who is living, I think we would agree on that being important, and then my friend dies to this world, you are suggesting that I may no longer pray for them. I some small way that seems to diminish the victory that Christ has won for us, for Christ when he rose has led a host of captives. It worries me that when we disallow prayers for the departed, in some way we are denying part of the power of the resurrection message.

Kontakion
All we go down to the dust, and weeping o’er the grave we make our song.
Alleluia, alleluia, alleluia.

Give rest, O Christ, to your servant with your saints: where sorrow and pain are no more;
neither sighing but life everlasting.

You only are immortal, the creator and maker of all: and we are mortal formed of the dust of the earth, and to earth shall we return: for so you ordained, when you created me saying: “Dust you are and to dust you shall return.”

All we go down to the dust; and weeping o’er the grave we make our song:
Alleluia, alleluia, alleluia.​

What good are prayers for a person who is dead? It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this... the judgment (See Hebrews 9:27).
 
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What good are prayers for a person who is dead? It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this... the judgment (See Hebrews 9:27).
That is the argument of an economic rationalist. Prayer is not simply about intercession and petition, it is also about confession, thanksgiving, love and community. Pray is not simply about getting God to take our side, it is also and perhaps more importantly about getting us on God's side.

So the answer to your question is simply that it is above my pay grade, however it does affirm seriously my belief in the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.

Death is swallowed up in victory
 
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